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Now more sure than ever to drop:

Kotooshu injured his left shoulder when he fell from the dohyo, likely a subluxation of the shoulder joint. As an emergency measure the loose shoulder was put back into place. It is very painful. Kyujo or not is decided in the morning. On his way to the hospital:

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006999670.html

http://www.asahi.com/articles/SEB201311120026.html

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Wow... Sounds like his constant kadobans have finally caught up with him...

And his performance in the last 3 years doesn't give much hope that a 10 win return to Ozeki is very possible. Although the fact that his only double digit wins in the last three years have been in the three Hatsu basho might give him some hope.

I still contend Osh is one of the best in the business. All he needs is motivation to give 100%. Dropping to Sekiwake is a pay cut and I feel THAT will be motivation enough. IF he drops to Sekiwake, I predict he'll get the needed 10th win by day 11 or 12 at Hatsu.

sorry Scott - one of the worst in the biz. Be gone by Jan.

Have to agree with Mark here. Don't wish anybody injury but can't say I'll miss him either.

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What on earth was Osunaarashi thinking, trying to play a straight up frontal pushing game against Gagamaru of all people ???

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Harumafuji is apparently a rather nasty individual. He clearly made it a point to push on Takayasu's neck when standing up after the bout.

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Edit: can someone clarify what he says to mean “contrary to the gunbai”? “Sasshigai”? I thought I knew the word but turns out I only vaguely understand it…

It's supposed to be sashi-chigae (pointing error :-P )
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What on earth was Osunaarashi thinking, trying to play a straight up frontal pushing game against Gagamaru of all people ???

kinda interesting his most vocal of fans have vanished now he is losing a lot.

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Not sure how Higonojo won against Daikiho. I thought the latter was still up in the air when the former touched the ground.

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What on earth was Osunaarashi thinking, trying to play a straight up frontal pushing game against Gagamaru of all people ???

kinda interesting his most vocal of fans have vanished now he is losing a lot.

Not sure exactly what you mean... Being a fan and rooting for someone does not mean ignoring his mistakes or not pointing them out, does it? I am still his fan, and believe in his potential, but I can't exactly say "Good job Boody, keep doing what you've been doing the past five days", can I? :)

Its rather obvious that he's hit his current wall, but he's 21, and I am seriously hoping his oyakata is also teaching him on what he's doing wrong so that he'll get better.

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Its rather obvious that he's hit his current wall, but he's 21, and I am seriously hoping his oyakata is also teaching him on what he's doing wrong so that he'll get better.

I expected Osunaarashi to "heat" his wall somewhere in upper half of Maegashira, but I am now affraid he might drop back to Juryo and remain there for some more basho. It seems clear his problems are in mental department and I agree it is for his oyakata to fix them and do it rather fast.

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Its rather obvious that he's hit his current wall, but he's 21, and I am seriously hoping his oyakata is also teaching him on what he's doing wrong so that he'll get better.

I expected Osunaarashi to "heat" his wall somewhere in upper half of Maegashira, but I am now affraid he might drop back to Juryo and remain there for some more basho. It seems clear his problems are in mental department and I agree it is for his oyakata to fix them and do it rather fast.

I think everyone is forgetting that Osuna had pretty bad injuries last basho and was fighting through them, able at that level to survive. It's not easy surviving with injuries in Makuuchi...you can't just do pull-downs every day (unless you're Aminishiki). It's therefore pretty likely that he still has injuries that he's not mentioning. And if that is so, it will also affect the mental side too: he's young and had a lot of media attention before his first Makuuchi basho - that's a lot of pressure for a young lad. His skills are solid and he'll be great as long as he conquers his seeming vulnerability to injuries. I'm a big fan of him and expect a healthy Boody to reach sanyaku at the very least. The same obviously goes for Endo, who is similarly handicapped with that foot. I wish the two of them would just take a break and fully recover...but these sumo lads rarely listen to sense.

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Day 4: 3599 spectators

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131114/sum13111405030002-n1.html

Endo's judo therapist: “I think it's evident that he has moved the affected part too much at an early stage.”

Today Kisenosato had his 800th makuuchi appearance – all consecutive, no kyujo or drop.

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My 2 cents I'd like to share:

Seriously, I know many of you are itched by Tokitenku's regular henkas and kicks. But it's simply pitiful to watch his injured self getting gently escorted off the dohyo day after day. I miss the excitement from trying to guess if he'd pull an unorthodox unelegant move or if he'd take an opponent by surprise by doing regular sumo. And I guess even haters would agree that was better.

I've grown to like Kisenosato. He ticked me off when he was consistently doing tachi-ai games that at times even involved deliberate mattas followed by a totally needless shove - even to a yokozuna, nonetheless. However when he found himself charging at thin air on the place Hakuho was supposed to be, he seemed to have learned his lesson and gradually calmed down. He seems a much more honorable and stronger rikishi than before. And I highly respect how he actually learned from that schooling rather than get even more pissed.

Both Boody and Posterboy are running into a wall face-first but injuries in both cases don't help. On Osunaarashi's case he even did it literally against Gagamaru. Some of you have posted that here and I totally agree. He was way beyond himself when he tried to force out 200kgs of blubber head-on.

And times are really dire at Sadogatake. I doubt they take any pleasure with Kotoyuki stablishing himself as a serious maegashira stalwart when at sanyaku it's what it is.

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Harumafuji is apparently a rather nasty individual. He clearly made it a point to push on Takayasu's neck when standing up after the bout.

and it was more than that, best as i could tell he intentionally jumped/fell on Takayasu pretty well after the bout was over. is there some sort of particular dislike or grudge there?

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Osunaarashi's problems are bigger than injuries and any kind of mental issues actually. His rather long legs make it very hard for him to maintain his balance and also the lack of weight for makuuchi standards doesn't help much either. I see him turning into a more polished though less strong version of Aran. Also, Terunofuji reminds me of a younger and stronger Yoshiazuma.

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Osunaarashi's problems are bigger than injuries and any kind of mental issues actually. His rather long legs make it very hard for him to maintain his balance and also the lack of weight for makuuchi standards doesn't help much either. I see him turning into a more polished though less strong version of Aran. Also, Terunofuji reminds me of a younger and stronger Yoshiazuma.

Akebono had long legs. The problem is that Osunaarashi is built like a lightbulb. He needs to turn his lower body from a weakness into a strength.

Having the world's largest pectoral muscles will only get you so far.

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I think the sand storm is more than 'slightly injured'. Kinta commented in one of his video uploads that Osuna had gotten two opponents to the edge but could not finish them off. I think their is a reason for that other than hitting the wall.

And for you Osuna haters, I will always be a fan no matter what happens in his career. Just like I am a fan of Takanoyama and Oazuma, the now retired Baruto, Asashoryu, Takamisakari, Chiyonofuji etc etc. Hopefully you get the point.

I don't hate him at all. Osunaarashi an extremely friendly and likable person.

I saw him on two different occasions and both times I shouted, "ganbare!"

He smiled widely. Infectiously.

I only wish that he would use his lower body more.

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Edit: can someone clarify what he says to mean “contrary to the gunbai”? “Sasshigai”? I thought I knew the word but turns out I only vaguely understand it…

Sashi-chigai- the term used when the gyoji's decision is overturned. It means "wrong side you pointed at, sir, we are changing it."

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It's only his debut in Makuuchi, I'm sure there's to come much more of Osunaarashi in the future !

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It's getting hard to watch sumo with all of these injuries. Poor Kotoyuki looks like he's badly hurt, God forbid.

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Just had to watch how Kotoyuki's knee got completely smashed.

Couldn't get up and was obviously in great pain.

What a nightmare for him and what a nightmare for the Sadogatake stable this basho.

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Man, that was horrible :-(. Poor guy. And he was doing so well this basho...

I really really hope that it is not as serious as it looked...

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I thought it was knee at first but it also looked like he might have done his back, because he could barely move any part of his body. When the oyakatas and yobidashis rolled him to the edge of the dohyo, he was so immobile I was worried he would just roll right off. I really hope he's all right, but I could see him, Giku and Osh all out for more than just this basho with the serious nature of the injuries.

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When I saw Kotoyuki lying there screaming, the absolute non-existence of a first response ringside medical team made me really angry. I know that this has been adressed before on similar occasions but I just think it is simply unbecoming in the 21st century to just have to former rikishi and now NSK staff in blue jackets standing there with no clue whatsoever of what has to be done and even more important what should NOT be done in any injury scenario (like trying to push Kotoyuki's left leg with the freshly injured knee...)

Not to imagine what would happen if some poor guy lands on his neck (or in Takarafuji's case, on his head or skull), they probably would just would try to drag him in that odd frankensteinesque wheelchair while repeatingly asking "daijoubu?"

*shaking head in disbelief*

I hope his injury is not so severe although it is quite hard to believe.

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When I saw Kotoyuki lying there screaming, the absolute non-existence of a first response ringside medical team made me really angry. I know that this has been adressed before on similar occasions but I just think it is simply unbecoming in the 21st century to just have to former rikishi and now NSK staff in blue jackets standing there with no clue whatsoever of what has to be done and even more important what should NOT be done in any injury scenario (like trying to push Kotoyuki's left leg with the freshly injured knee...)

Not to imagine what would happen if some poor guy lands on his neck (or in Takarafuji's case, on his head or skull), they probably would just would try to drag him in that odd frankensteinesque wheelchair while repeatingly asking "daijoubu?"

*shaking head in disbelief*

I hope his injury is not so severe although it is quite hard to believe.

I had the same response - everyone just standing there watching while he grunted in pain. No sport has too much tradition that they shouldn't have some paramedics standing by

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I thought it was knee at first but it also looked like he might have done his back, because he could barely move any part of his body. When the oyakatas and yobidashis rolled him to the edge of the dohyo, he was so immobile I was worried he would just roll right off. I really hope he's all right, but I could see him, Giku and Osh all out for more than just this basho with the serious nature of the injuries.

I think it's the knee. He managed to push himself up to a better position on the wheelchair-I doubt he could have done that with a back injury. Anyhow, we'll know soon enough.

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