Pandaazuma 1,310 Posted September 30, 2013 Not many highpoints for me this tournament, really. Endo showed flashes of his obvious ability. I was impressed with Osunaarashi's never-say-die spirit, turning up every day despite obviously painful injuries as we could see from the limp and the back taping. Terunofuji also looks a very solid addition to the sekitori community and looks just as competitive as Osunaarashi obviously is. And Goeido had one of his 'on' tournaments, I see. Otherwise...hmmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 673 Posted September 30, 2013 I know it is an old and often repeated tale, and as such not necessarily worth mentioning, but Goeido's 11-4 IS a possible start for an Ozeki run... Although I am fully aware of his pattern of never being able to string two double digit results together. As for Osunaarashi, he is undoubtedly entertaining to watch, very powerful and I'd love to see him in Makuuchi next basho. I do fear however that if he is that bandaged at 21 and after less than 2 years in Sumo, it does not bode well :-(. Terunofuji really impressed me, the closing of Magaki-beya was the best thing that could have happened to him. With serious keiko and passing from training alone, to a stable with loads of high ranked sekitori and a yokozuna shisho (yes, I know Magaki was a yokozuna too, but he wasn't exactly a shisho in the past few years) he seems to have flowered. I am really happy for him, and look forward to seeing more of what he can do higher up the ranks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,500 Posted September 30, 2013 I'm seriously thinking of starting a (off-)topic about the mass of predictions I made and which always turn to be resulting in the opposite (one basho HF intai kankoku, but the YDC top changed – stern warning the other basho and nothing happened – same this time and HF winning against Hakuho. Takanoiwa's promotion, Toyonoshima's, Endo's sansho. etc.)My personal favourite were your first-week declarations that Jokoryu is back in full swing. ;-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted September 30, 2013 I'm seriously thinking of starting a (off-)topic about the mass of predictions I made and which always turn to be resulting in the opposite (one basho HF intai kankoku, but the YDC top changed – stern warning the other basho and nothing happened – same this time and HF winning against Hakuho. Takanoiwa's promotion, Toyonoshima's, Endo's sansho. etc.)My personal favourite were your first-week declarations that Jokoryu is back in full swing. ;-) what we saw might have been jokoryu in full swing.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,666 Posted September 30, 2013 The YDC wants to watch over Harumafuji on the long run, giving him time till the end of next year to prove himself. Especially his turning things around after the early 2 kinboshi losses and endeavoring till the end without going kyujo was highly valuated. They want to press Kisenosato to get into gear. Some spoke well of Endo. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 673 Posted September 30, 2013 The YDC wants to watch over Harumafuji on the long run, giving him time till the end of next year to prove himself. Especially his turning things around after the early 2 kinboshi losses and endeavoring till the end without going kyujo was highly valuated. They want to press Kisenosato to get into gear. Some spoke well of Endo. Impossible! The YDC actually making sense? What is this world coming to... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted September 30, 2013 (Spooky TV program...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,500 Posted September 30, 2013 what we saw might have been jokoryu in full swing....That's my point. ;-) I suspect Akinomaki was thinking of a little more than an 8-7 final result though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Jokoryu is young. It took Kakuryu and Kotoshogiku around 6 years from Makuuchi to reach Ozeki level. Kisenosato took 8 years from Makuuchi to Ozeki. Not everyone is a prodigy like Hakuho. I think it's pretty impressive to make Makuuchi after a year and a half, but what do I know. Edited September 30, 2013 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,500 Posted September 30, 2013 Jokoryu is young. It took Kakuryu and Kotoshogiku around 6 years from Makuuchi to reach Ozeki level. Kisenosato took 8 years from Makuuchi to Ozeki. Not everyone is a prodigy like Hakuho. 25 isn't especially young. By the time he turned 25, Kakuryu had spent 12 basho in the upper echelon of makuuchi (i.e. ranked in sanyaku or facing all sanyaku as a maegashira). Kotoshogiku 20 basho, Kisenosato 28 basho. Jokoryu may be new, but he's not young. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted September 30, 2013 Jokoryu is young. It took Kakuryu and Kotoshogiku around 6 years from Makuuchi to reach Ozeki level. Kisenosato took 8 years from Makuuchi to Ozeki. Not everyone is a prodigy like Hakuho. 25 isn't especially young. By the time he turned 25, Kakuryu had spent 12 basho in the upper echelon of makuuchi (i.e. ranked in sanyaku or facing all sanyaku as a maegashira). Kotoshogiku 20 basho, Kisenosato 28 basho. Jokoryu may be new, but he's not young. Way too early to be closing the book on Jokoryu. He's got a long career ahead of him and it's too soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,666 Posted September 30, 2013 what we saw might have been jokoryu in full swing....That's my point. ;-) I suspect Akinomaki was thinking of a little more than an 8-7 final result though. He only wanted to get kachi-koshi this basho and leaves himself 2 years to get to the high ranks - but I expected a better sumo from him after he showed some highlights. In the end he looked like the makuuchi Jokoryu we got used to. Then again I also expected Sokokurai to continue that brilliant sumo he showed in the beginning ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pandaazuma 1,310 Posted September 30, 2013 To much hilarity, I am on record as rating Jokoryu. I think he'll go quite far...but he obviously has a lot to learn first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,500 Posted September 30, 2013 Way too early to be closing the book on Jokoryu. He's got a long career ahead of him and it's too soon.It depends on what career one expects of him. If it's a career like Takekaze's, then Jokoryu is doing perfectly fine. If it's about potentially becoming ozeki, however, then any basho he spends dilly-dallying with 8-7 records in the low maegashira ranks is wasted career time. Most rikishi stop getting better around age 28. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,666 Posted September 30, 2013 Endo appeared with cast at his leg for a press-conference about his kyujo, declaring his frustration that he wasn't able to compete the full 15 days and promised to strengthen his body. The oyakata's fears about him not having the body of a pro yet were correct. 3 weeks rest are necessary for full recovery. He won't be at Takamisakari's intai-zumo but wants to be at least in the dohyo-iri at the jungyo, starting on the 12th. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Way too early to be closing the book on Jokoryu. He's got a long career ahead of him and it's too soon.It depends on what career one expects of him. If it's a career like Takekaze's, then Jokoryu is doing perfectly fine. If it's about potentially becoming ozeki, however, then any basho he spends dilly-dallying with 8-7 records in the low maegashira ranks is wasted career time. Most rikishi stop getting better around age 28. No one is going to be able to frame making the top level of Sumo in the world in only a couple of years as a small feat. Making Makuuchi alone is overacheiving for the majority of sumo wrestlers. Edited September 30, 2013 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,500 Posted September 30, 2013 No one is going to be able to frame making the top level of Sumo in the world in only a couple of years as a small feat. Making Makuuchi alone is overacheiving for the majority of sumo wrestlers.He was a very accomplished collegiate rikishi. All the non-accomplished college guys don't turn pro to begin with, so the standard he has to be measured against is very different for Jokoryu than it is for a random rikishi who turned pro at age 15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 184 Posted September 30, 2013 Taken by the 1-year (jo-i) score, Kisenosato has finally become the No.2 of Ozumo: 65 wins, Harumafuji 64. 4. Goeido 55 5-6. Kakuryu Kotoshogiku both 54 7. Tochiozan 52 8. Myogiryu 46 9. Kotooshu 41 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,666 Posted October 1, 2013 The YDC praising Endo, a low maegashira rookie, is an exceptional thing, out of their domain, unless one assumes they did it as comment on a future yokozuna. The doctors think that Endo's recovery won't be quick enough to appear in the jungyo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,728 Posted October 1, 2013 Found some better pictures from Minanosato's danpatsu-shiki. Puroresu's Kenta Kobayashi. Keiji Suzuki, gold medallist in the men's heavyweight judo category at the 2004 Summer Olympics. Edoya Manekineko, who as far as I can tell is an entertainer who does animal mimicry. (I dunno...) Furiwake-oyakata. Asasekiryu. And the final cut by Takasago-oyakata. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,500 Posted October 2, 2013 Some milestone notes in the career wins category: - Kyokutenho is now tied for 6th all-time with Terao at 858 - Hakuho is now tied for 15th all-time with Kitanofuji at 786 - Aminishiki has entered the top 50 all-time at 679 - Harumafuji has become the 85th rikishi in history to reach 600 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALAKTORN 346 Posted October 2, 2013 - Kyokutenho is now tied for 6th all-time with Terao at 858Is Terao’s number there not considering fusenshō? Because the NSK website and Wikipedia have him as having 860 wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,995 Posted October 2, 2013 Perhaps his two Mae-zumo wins... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted October 2, 2013 If the Big Sandstorm had made shin-nyumaku wouldn't we have heard something by now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,500 Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) - Kyokutenho is now tied for 6th all-time with Terao at 858Is Terao’s number there not considering fusenshō? Because the NSK website and Wikipedia have him as having 860 wins. Perhaps his two Mae-zumo wins... Should be that, yes. Maezumo wins did seemingly count as official wins at one point*, but it's a good question whether they still do or have retroactively been removed from the "official" totals. I just used the Sumo DB numbers. I wouldn't consider the Kyokai website as authoritative, in any case; over the past few years I've noticed a number of clear errors in the win-loss data on older rikishi entries. (In one case even an 0-0-7 being counted as 0-7.) I suspect we'll find out in Kyushu basho - the newspapers will probably have something on Kyokutenho when he moves into sole 6th place, so we'll just have to wait and see if that happens after win #859 or #861. * Although that must have been only a fairly short phase, perhaps just from 1973 to the early 1980s (?) - I've never seen Chiyonofuji (maezumo 1970.09) credited with more than the usual 1045 wins, for instance, and those all came while on the banzuke, as the DB will confirm. And ditto for Kaio's 1047 (maezumo 1988.03). Edited October 2, 2013 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
