Kintamayama 45,144 Posted August 2, 2013 Kyokai members, including all gyoji and yobidashi (don't remember if we had that in English before) http://www.sumo.or.jp/en/sumo_data/kyokai_member/ We did. (Link will probably go bad soon.)What I can't find on the English side is the list of retired and the list of Juryo promotions.Same as before then. ;-) I was being optimistic.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koukai 4 Posted August 3, 2013 The kimarite section was gone :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted August 3, 2013 been in the pipeline for a long long time and hopefully will be seen as the NSk noticing their non-J fans, even with the assumption that English serves all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarako 3 Posted August 7, 2013 The one thing I noticed that I like is that the previous ranks of athletes name the rank in english words. In the old website they relied on various (similar) colors to convey the same information. If you couldn't tell teal from green, you couldn't tell someone's various ranks apart. Hooray for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,344 Posted August 9, 2013 Hmm, looks like several rikishi have "lost" part of their shikona history in their profiles during the move...for instance, Gorikiyama used to have 7 names listed, now just 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted August 9, 2013 Hmm, looks like several rikishi have "lost" part of their shikona history in their profiles during the move...for instance, Gorikiyama used to have 7 names listed, now just 5. Well, his shikona is "Go"rikiyama, hence... ;-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,913 Posted August 23, 2013 Mods: Please could the link at the top of the page be updated to reflect the new location of the Kyokai site? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pippooshu 1 Posted August 31, 2013 I'm sorry b'cause I'm in late with the topic...but...I don't know: is there a new link where we can see the video streaming?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry b'cause I'm in late with the topic...but...I don't know: is there a new link where we can see the video streaming?? We suspect we may have found a possible placeholder for the link on the Japanese side, but we will probably have to wait until the link is activated on day one to see what they are going to do. Edited August 31, 2013 by Asojima 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted September 1, 2013 I like this update. I like the look, and I'm sure the missing details will fall into place over time. At least it's a more modern look. Potentially, it's got lots of room to grow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,144 Posted September 3, 2013 Sorry to beat this tired drum but the English is simply embarrassing. If it was an odd spelling mistake, understandable. But the headers? TICKET? Have you ever seen the "sumo"?? September Grand Sumo tournament AT Tokyo? This is on the homepage. I'm not even getting into what's going on in the internal pages. Yeah, nitpicking. Yeah, it's disgraceful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted September 3, 2013 'at' Tokyo is something a lot of folk in Japan use, especially older types. I blame the unqualified 'teachers' / entertainers they are subjected to during their school English classes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orion 431 Posted September 3, 2013 Sorry to beat this tired drum but the English is simply embarrassing. If it was an odd spelling mistake, understandable. But the headers? TICKET? Have you ever seen the "sumo"?? September Grand Sumo tournament AT Tokyo? This is on the homepage. I'm not even getting into what's going on in the internal pages. Yeah, nitpicking. Yeah, it's disgraceful. Like so many Japanese organizations these days, they assume they can manage without a native speaker to do the English editing -- but at least they don't appear to think an automatic "translator" is good enough. At least the Kyokai seems to be using a human being -- though in the case of the awful descriptions in the sumo museum, it's a woman who is related to one of the staff. Orion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted September 3, 2013 Sorry to beat this tired drum but the English is simply embarrassing. If it was an odd spelling mistake, understandable. But the headers? TICKET? Have you ever seen the "sumo"?? September Grand Sumo tournament AT Tokyo? This is on the homepage. I'm not even getting into what's going on in the internal pages. Yeah, nitpicking. Yeah, it's disgraceful. Like so many Japanese organizations these days, they assume they can manage without a native speaker to do the English editing -- but at least they don't appear to think an automatic "translator" is good enough. At least the Kyokai seems to be using a human being -- though in the case of the awful descriptions in the sumo museum, it's a woman who is related to one of the staff. Orion BAAAAD marketing choice... There is nothing that more instinctively conjures up an impression of amateurism than badly translated promotional text. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,344 Posted September 3, 2013 I don't even think they need a native speaker for it, just someone (as for anything else) with professional experience. It's probably the case though that a native speaker would come more cheaply than a Japanese person who's studied English to a professional degree... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted September 3, 2013 as Asashosakari says money is often an issue but so too is pride. The 'best' English speaker in any given division of many major companies will often 'correct' a piece read through or produced by a native speaker just to show they are on top of things or just have the power to do so. Pride - pure and simple. Working with Japan's top three governmental ministries I often write / help write / check major speeches and documents in English - including PM speeches - and have never seen this attitude in the government thankfully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golynohana 320 Posted September 4, 2013 Did anyone save one of the pages (HTML) with last basho results from the new NSK site? I wanted to adjust my result grabber by checking how the HTML code is different from the old NSK site, but unfortunately the result pages are prepared for September basho already and I don't see there results from previous tournaments. Or does maybe anyone know if it's possible to get a cached/archived version of this page? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
torquato 1,075 Posted September 4, 2013 Or does maybe anyone know if it's possible to get a cached/archived version of this page? Unfortunately archive.org is not archiving the new site, because it now contains a robots.txt file... >:-( http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sumo.or.jp/index The old site is still available through the archive though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fukurou 534 Posted September 5, 2013 Has anyone located where shikona changes are listed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted September 5, 2013 Has anyone located where shikona changes are listed? Here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,344 Posted September 5, 2013 Unfortunately archive.org is not archiving the new site, because it now contains a robots.txt file... > :-(Looks like it's even stopping Google from crawling the site, that's just retarded. I'm sorry to say I didn't save any of the new hoshitori/torikumi pages either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Did anyone save one of the pages (HTML) with last basho results from the new NSK site? I wanted to adjust my result grabber by checking how the HTML code is different from the old NSK site, but unfortunately the result pages are prepared for September basho already and I don't see there results from previous tournaments. Or does maybe anyone know if it's possible to get a cached/archived version of this page? For reasons I have forgotten, I have archived two or three results pages for individual days (the ones that were updated live, see picture). I did this by using scrapbook, which is a FF plugin. They should be saved locally in plain HTML and I can see how I can get these files to you (or anybody else) for a small fee if you are interested in these. Edited September 5, 2013 by yorikiried by fate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,344 Posted September 5, 2013 Golynohana is asking for pages from the new site as they existed (with the Nagoya results) between August 1 and the banzuke release. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted September 5, 2013 (Wearing a paperbag...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted September 5, 2013 I have no idea if its indicative of the NSK's unwillingness to go with the times, or if it is something that is not normally done in Japan, but I find it REALLY strange that they don't seem to have an official repository of past results. Replacing the last basho's results to make room for the fresh ones is very 1990s... For a sport with such pride in its long history (and a fondness for statistics) it is very strange that something like Doitsuyama's Sumo Database is not maintained by the NSK as part of their own website. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites