Mark.Buckton 68 Posted July 20, 2013 Day 14: full house and according to the Twitter and Pia, all tickets have been sold – the Kise factor working again ? Kisenosato of course is the first who stopped two times a 40+ winning streak – Akinoumi who stopped Futabayama in the longest streak became yokozuna, now Kisenosato really is predestined to become one. I just wait for the announcement today that it is already assured he will have a run next time – and then he loses again tomorrow to Kotoshogiku. tickets still available on the door today - plenty of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted July 20, 2013 1. I didn't see any tricks from Kisenosato before the tachi-ai. It was Hakuho who rushed, even though Kise didn't look even remotely ready (none of his hands was touching the dohyo etc). Maybe it's something i can't notice, like making faces or something?2. Elbow to the face. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALAKTORN 346 Posted July 20, 2013 ^Sorry for the off-topic but, what the hell is your avatar’s picture from? I’d like to watch that. And Kisenosato’s “trick” is never putting his hands down until his opponent does, so he can dictate when to start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) that's Hayateumi doing the frog-iotoshi to ....... i am just completely guessing .... Buyuzan. EDIT: yeah ... it is Buyuzan. And this was Kyushu 2004. I guess the simple kimarite (hatakikomi) doesn't do justice to the brilliance. Edited July 20, 2013 by aderechelsea 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 148 Posted July 20, 2013 Alakorn, this is not true. I was just looking at the Kisenosato-Harumafuji match from last basho, and K had one hand down first. It is a minority of rikishi, in my observation (Yoshikaze is one example) who don't try to time the second hand (or both) to match their opponent at the start. Today I did think Hakuho found it insulting that when he put his first hand down, K did not immediately follow suit. What motivated me to get off my round end and make my first post today (after happily following the forum for several years) was the contrast between the crowd reaction between Kisenosato's two yokozuna wins. Purple rain today, nothing yesterday. Last basho, there were zebuton for the win over Harumafuji. Is this the unltimate insult to a Yok, when an ozeki beats you and no one finds it worth shifting off their seats to throw a cushion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted July 20, 2013 I'd guess Buyuzan, too ;-) (the hairy behind gives it away) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted July 20, 2013 and i believe that this is the bout: 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted July 20, 2013 Kotooshu seems to get screwed at least once every tournament. Was thinking the same. If he wouldn't show such a lackluster performance once he has kachi-koshi secured, he wouldn't end up in such close call situations in the first place - I broke a simple sumo gaming rule today: never pick Osh when he already got his 8 But that's true as well. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Daido is on pace to join some rare company. And except for Kiyosegawa it was close before the end of their career. I don't think that applies to Daido, though. Daido might even become the first to ever return to Makuuchi after that ! Edited July 20, 2013 by Vikanohara Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,535 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Hakuho couldn't sleep until 5 a. m. last night. Takayasu as the first Heisei born sanyaku is called ensured in later articles, first they said it is likely. Chiyotairyu: “I can't visualize me winning against Takayasu at all (tomorrow).” Edited July 20, 2013 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,143 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) if i was Hakuho i would slap the pout out of Kise's face after his shit on the shikiri line. Just put your fricking hands on the ground when you look like you are about to .... i am a fricking yokozuna after all. But i would lose at the end just like him, because this would be the first time in many bouts that i would lose my temper. and if i was Kise i would be afraid the next time i would face Hakuho ;-) Hakuhou gave him the famous elbow at the tachiai as well, but Kisenosato was unfazed. A couple of violent harites that connected-still unfazed. If Kisenosato was this focused in his early bouts, we'd be speaking in a different tongue now. Edited July 20, 2013 by Kintamayama 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted July 20, 2013 Hakuhou gave him the famous elbow at the tachiai as well, but Kisenosato was unfazed. A couple of violent harites that connected-still unfazed. If Kisenosato was this focused in his early bouts, we'd be speaking in a different tongue now.Those strikes would have devastated a smaller, lesser opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bugman 384 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) if i was Hakuho i would slap the pout out of Kise's face after his shit on the shikiri line. Just put your fricking hands on the ground when you look like you are about to .... i am a fricking yokozuna after all. But i would lose at the end just like him, because this would be the first time in many bouts that i would lose my temper. and if i was Kise i would be afraid the next time i would face Hakuho ;-) Hakuhou gave him the famous elbow at the tachiai as well, but Kisenosato was unfazed. A couple of violent harites that connected-still unfazed. If Kisenosato was this focused in his early bouts, we'd be speaking in a different tongue now. I have to agree Kise was in the zone, maybe he wasn't feeling the pressure anymore, also i think Hak's tachi-ai fore-arm/elbow landed mostly on his chest by luck, or perhaps Kise intentionally avoided it, regardless that bout goes down for me as one of the most exciting i ever watched. Edited July 20, 2013 by Bugman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bugman 384 Posted July 20, 2013 Hakuhou gave him the famous elbow at the tachiai as well, but Kisenosato was unfazed. A couple of violent harites that connected-still unfazed. If Kisenosato was this focused in his early bouts, we'd be speaking in a different tongue now.Those strikes would have devastated a smaller, lesser opponent. Yoshikaze is small and he would have absorbed all! :) He's a real scrapper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoibachi 0 Posted July 20, 2013 if i was Hakuho i would slap the pout out of Kise's face after his shit on the shikiri line. Just put your fricking hands on the ground when you look like you are about to .... i am a fricking yokozuna after all. But i would lose at the end just like him, because this would be the first time in many bouts that i would lose my temper. and if i was Kise i would be afraid the next time i would face Hakuho ;-) Hakuhou gave him the famous elbow at the tachiai as well, but Kisenosato was unfazed. A couple of violent harites that connected-still unfazed. If Kisenosato was this focused in his early bouts, we'd be speaking in a different tongue now. I have to agree Kise was in the zone, maybe he wasn't feeling the pressure anymore, also i think Hak's tachi-ai fore-arm/elbow landed mostly on his chest by luck, or perhaps Kise intentionally avoided it, regardless that bout goes down for me as one of the most exciting i ever watched. Any match where Hakuho loses or survives is exciting IMHO. He's consistently made his opponent work for every possible advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wanderer 159 Posted July 20, 2013 Hakuho was lacking training this basho, basically partying around sending Kisenosato thinly veiled message to take this darn yusho already. Kisenosato failed of course but acts as if everything was on the line. Hak has plenty of reason to be dissatisfied. On top that Hak knew he wouldn't be able to overpower Kise this time around with lack of training and that phony injury etc. It was a time Kise should have seized and put all this hype to rest. He failed. Now Hak left with another prolonged drama to waiting. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nabuko 11 Posted July 20, 2013 For NSK it is the best to have Kisenosato as permanent tsunatori. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,263 Posted July 20, 2013 It seems to me that Daido lost his belief in being able to win a bout this basho already a few matches ago. That was a really really half-hearted pull, and it doesn't even take that much to pull Gagamaru down. Sad, but I feel the forthcoming 0-15 is very much his own doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,001 Posted July 20, 2013 Is a hypothetical 12-3 J with a big winning streak at the end (including both yokozuna) still even remotely possible for a promotion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,501 Posted July 20, 2013 It's apparently enough to start a tsuna run next tournament. But it won't get Kise anything this time around. Prolongin' the pain! Also, I totally called a Harumafuji 15-0 Nagoya basho and that it would be Harumafuji that stuffed Kise's chances of the tsuna. Boy, was I wrong or what?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,001 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) That's exactly what I don't get. I always thought that the 2 bashos, the tsunatori giver and the confirmator, were on equal terms. Something like, "if you can repeat that performance, ozeki-san, you've confirmed your worthiness as a yokozuna". But way more experienced people here always comment on how it starts a new tsuna run and never on wether he'll get the promotion or not. So I am in the wrong. Edited July 20, 2013 by Koorifuu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,344 Posted July 20, 2013 That's exactly what I don't get. I always thought that the 2 bashos, the tsunatori giver and the confirmator, were on equal terms. Something like, "if you can repeat that performance, ozeki-san, you've confirmed your worthiness as a yokozuna". But way more experienced people here always comment on how it starts a new tsuna run and never on wether he'll get the promotion or not. So I am in the wrong. It confirms his worthiness to be considered. ;-) It wouldn't be a new run anyway, there's nothing that says a "tsuna run" has to consist of just two basho. 13-2 J -> 12-3 J without any yusho just doesn't clear the mark on its own; 13-2 J -> 12-3 J -> 13-2 Y or the like on the other hand probably would. The presence of that first 13-2 would actually add to the quality because it helps demonstrate a level of consistency that a simple two-basho 12-3 J -> 13-2 Y (or even a 13-2 J -> 13-2 Y) doesn't. Historically considerations like that were pretty normal, it's only been after Futahaguro that the focus was narrowed to yusho -> yusho only and longer performance stretches didn't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaiomitsuki 408 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) The presence of that first 13-2 would actually add to the quality because it helps demonstrate a level of consistency that a simple two-basho 12-3 J -> 13-2 Y (or even a 13-2 J -> 13-2 Y) doesn't. Historically considerations like that were pretty normal, it's only been after Futahaguro that the focus was narrowed to yusho -> yusho only and longer performance stretches didn't matter. When you talk about the Kisenosato's results for the last two Bashos, It remembers me Kaio, back in 2004... Aki 2004 13-2 Yusho - Kyushu 2004 12-3 Jun-Yusho... Ok man It's not enough for the Tsuna - you already win 5 bashos in the last 4 years (3 as an Ozeki !!!)... but NO Tsuna... but we want to see If you can be THE man in january 2005... Kaio hurts its left shoulder during a training and was out of the Hatsu 2005 after 10 days... sad sad... At this time I remember asking myself why the NSK don't give the Tsuna when a rikishi wins 3 Yushos as an Ozeki ... 2 Yushos in the row It's the Yokozuna rank... but 3 Yushos - not in the row - It's should be a tsuna too !! Kisenosato didn't win a Yusho yet... and we talk about Tsuna for him... C'mon men... I can understand Japan who wants a Yokozuna... but Kisenosato should win two Yushos in the row (or 3 as an Ozeki) and after we could talk about the Tsuna ;) Edited July 20, 2013 by Kaiomitsuki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted July 20, 2013 Makes me wonder how bemused Takanohana must feel. The record shows that from Haru through Aki '93 he took one yusho and three jun yusho (one of those doten) and didn't get the rope. Also add the fact that the lone Yokozuna during that time was Akebono. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kawika 123 Posted July 20, 2013 if Kise can get over his early nerves in the upcoming basho, there is no reason why he can't yusho -> yusho, cause he knows he can beat everyone in sanyaku, he just needs to stop beating himself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites