Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) As the sumo kyokai is facing changes in their business structure for 2014 and because I was looking through some books and net pages in connection with the kinboshi thread, here are somebasic data from (only the Tokyo based) history, with the focus on the mochi-kyuukin, in which I'm specially interested. Unfortunately the time tables list mainly the pension funds reforms.1998.1 The multiplication factor for the mochi-kyuukin is increased to 40001986 the factor is set to 25001960.9 The basic mochi-kyuukin increase money value for a kachi-koshi point is named as 0.5 yen1958 The present full name for the NSK becomes "zaidanhoujin (juridical foundation) Nihon Sumo Kyokai" (wikipedia has 1966.4.1) - they started in 1925 as Dai-NSK1957.5 monthly wages for sekitori, toshiyori and gyoji etc. are installed, before that they also got a profit share from basho revenues.1950 YDC established1890 first time the yokozuna rank is shown on the banzuke 1889 Tokyo Ozumo Kyokai 東京大角力協会 from (Edo) Sumo Kaisho: increase of pay based on winning points (that's it, but was that the start?) and other reforms 1875 the system of income for rikishi and gyoji is reformed (but how - maybe that's the starting point)1789.11 yokozuna licences begin1789 the sumo toshiyori who manage sumo in Edo form the Sumo Kaisho1684 In Edo "sumo toshiyori" are approved and organize sumo events. Rikishi begin to turn from daimyo vassals to sumo professionals (1869 all daimyo "employed" rikishi are dissolved from that connection with the end of the Edo Bakufu and of the old feudal system). Supervising the contests are no longer the town magistrate (machi bugyo, also the local police and judge) but the temple/shrine administration (jisha bugyo). Edited June 19, 2013 by Akinomaki 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 19, 2013 At last I found a site with old documents, I guess all I want to know is in there, but it will take time to check them.In the statutes of the Tokyo Ozumo Kyokai, the pay for kachi-koshi points is listed in detail, but no mention of kinboshi. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,287 Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) 1889 Tokyo Ozumo Kyokai 東京大角力協会 from (Edo) Sumo Kaisho: increase of pay based on winning points (that's it, but was that the start?) and other reformsI would guess that was the start indeed; it's generally said that nearly everything meritocratic about sumo was introduced by the Takasago[1] administration of those days. Edit: In whatever source I used for this post (I don't recall), 1887 was given as the changeover date to the Tokyo Kyokai. Edited June 19, 2013 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) In the statutes of the Tokyo Ozumo Kyokai, the pay for kachi-koshi points is listed in detail, but no mention of kinboshi. Rules from 1889 Sekitori pay limit is 65 yen. Kachikoshi points pay increase in sen (1/100 yen), 9-0 is the best possible result, draws etc. may lead to even numbered kachikoshi points 1: +25 2: +50 3: +100 4: +150 5: +200 6: +250 7: +300 8: +350 9: +400 I don't fully understand article 24 with the difference in first class and third class winning points. Winning points 勝星 (results of the basho) which are regarded as first class should further add to the pay. Instead of kinboshi quality wins ? Edited June 23, 2013 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 20, 2013 In the available documents there are not as much data as I had hoped.In the Dai-NSK rules from 1929 nearly no figures are visible, it contains no figures for the mochi-kyuukin adding factors, but newly (not visible) figures for the minimum figures for each rank and the note that the additions will be taken away on demotion, like nowadays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,287 Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) I don't fully understand article 24 with the difference in first class and third class winning points. A win classified by the supervisors as a first class point should further add to the pay. Instead of kinboshi a quality win? Does it relate to article 20? First, second and third class wins (prizes? results?) are enumerated there as well. Am I reading article 27 right that the base salary for sekitori also increases by each basho regardless of the win-loss record? Edited June 20, 2013 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 20, 2013 I don't fully understand article 24 with the difference in first class and third class winning points. A win classified by the supervisors as a first class point should further add to the pay. Instead of kinboshi a quality win? Does it relate to article 20? First, second and third class wins (prizes? results?) are enumerated there as well.Am I reading article 27 right that the base salary for sekitori also increases by each basho regardless of the win-loss record? Article 20 looks only like the pay of the toshiyori, 1st, 2nd, 3rd class. In another document I read 1st class for yokozuna/ozeki and 3rd class for maegashira - but that was in the train to the jungyo. Indeed, article 27 names for every fully completed makuuchi basho (all 9 days active) a 50 sen, juryo basho a 25 sen pay rise, that's a feature I didn't know before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Article 25 uses the winning points 勝星 (results of the basho), which are differentiated by the supervising inspectors into 3 classes, in connection with the banzuke making to determine the up and down after a discussion and majority decision. The 1896 change lists as pay limit for sekitori 45 Yen.The 1878 sumo kaisho business rules 角觝営業内規則 (maybe that's what I listed under 1875 and my book erred) and the 1886 change give not much info, only toshiyori data. Edited June 23, 2013 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,287 Posted June 20, 2013 ... and the 1886 change give not much info, only toshiyori data.Speaking of which, I can't make sense of what article 47 says about the eight listed toshiyori as opposed to the other 80... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) To have the toshiyori names preserved forever, those 8 listed who are using so-called old/former toshiyori names (as opposed to the 80 present ones) are not allowed to become members of outside committees.I can't understand the reasoning - and those names are all nowadays well known ones. Edited June 20, 2013 by Akinomaki 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 23, 2013 In the statutes of the Tokyo Ozumo Kyokai, the pay for kachi-koshi points is listed in detail, but no mention of kinboshi. Rules from 1889 I don't fully understand article 24 with the difference in first class and third class winning points. Winning points 勝星 (results of the basho) which are regarded as first class should further add to the pay. Instead of kinboshi quality wins ? Article 25 uses the winning points 勝星 (results of the basho), which are differentiated by the supervising inspectors into 3 classes, in connection with the banzuke making to determine the up and down after a discussion and majority decision. Has your dictionary explanations for the 3 classes 三等 of winning points 勝星 (results of the basho) ? After looking at article 24 again, the rules rather say that winning points are differentiated by the supervising inspectors into 3 classes, those rikishi who are regarded as (having) 1st class (results) should get an additional pay increase. Those three classes of winning points also did influence (maybe even determine) the banzuke making. After rethinking and realizing that I didn't regard plural instead of singular for the wins and classes, I changed the translations and posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites