Ack! 471 Posted January 26, 2013 Kotooshu is strong as all hell and he got a good grip. Statistically, it is almost impossible to win all fights. The odds of something going wrong in those 3-5 seconds accumulates. On the one hand you are correct, I've seen all kinds of blown plays in pro sports where the athletes are at the highest level. On the other hand Hakuho has been so dominant that it is hard to believe that he could blow a bout this badly, especially with no apparent injury. Maybe he has gotten a little complacent, or maybe it's intentional. It makes me wonder, although I generally take conspiracy theories with a large grain of salt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Looking at the Juryo torikumi for tomorrow I saw that there might be a very slim chance for a 4-way playoff if these three guys win: Homarefuji (vs 5-9 Hochiyama) - should be no big problem Daikiho (vs Takanoiwa) - with Daiki's Makuuchi promotion on the line Kyokushuho (vs Jokoryu) - this should be a nice encounter History slightly favors this 5-way playoff hope as all three (Homare, Daiki & Shuho) post a 1-0 record over their senshuraku opponents. In case the Makuuchi yusho will be decided later today, at least some suspense in the Juryo yusho race will be saved for the last day of this basho. Edited January 26, 2013 by kuroimori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
umbriel2 15 Posted January 26, 2013 Will it be intai for Wakanosato if he drops to Juryo? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,501 Posted January 26, 2013 Wow, everybody's got it in for Baruto...Osh with his first day-after-KK win since Haru 2010! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,498 Posted January 26, 2013 I'm becoming increasingly impressed with Takayasu. Just a good constant improvement, gradually getting better and moving up the banzuke each basho. He's only young and if he continues to improve as he is going he could really go places. However, next basho he'll be in the meat grinder and it will be interesting to see if he can cope with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) My day 14 highlights : S : Kakryu [8-5] - Harumafuji [13-0] (Yusho or still a possible kettei-sen ?) M hi : Takarafuji [8-5] - Aoiyama [7-6] (not so important for promotion purposes, but interesting nevertheless) M lo : Tochinowaka [8-5] - Fujiazuma [7-6] (securing his spot in Makuuchi vs the one who started this basho so well ?) M * : Miyabiyama [1-12] - Satoyama [J 4-9] (if this was his last one, then he finished in style, unlike his basho) J * : Jokoryu [10-3] - Takanoiwa [11-2] (descision on senshuraku with possible kettei-sen or Yusho to the latter ?) J hi : Tokushinho [7-6] - Sagatsukasa [8-5] (25 cm the difference, with the giant really needing to win this one) J lo : Kitaharima [Ms 3-3] - Hochiyama [5-8] (important for promotion/demotion) Ms hi : Higonojo [3-3] - Fukugoriki [3-3] (Ms7 vs Ms11, so fighting for a near promotion rank next basho) Ms lo : Iwasaki [4-2] - Kyokutaisei [4-2] (no wall yet, but more than 1 defeat in a basho for the first time, will he finish 5-2 or 4-3 ?) Sd hi : Kyokuhozan [3-3] - Sadanohama [3-3] (long, but continuously moving) Sd lo : Wakayamada [3-3] - Kotohayato [3-3] (who to climb further to a new career high ?) Jd : Daitenryu [3-3] - Mitani [3-3] (Jd16 vs Jd13, so to promote or not to promote, that's the question) Jk : Azumahana [3-3] - Tamashinzan [3-3] (simply well done) There were actually quite some nice battles in Juryo, but some of lesser importance. Edited January 26, 2013 by Vikanohara Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Wow, everybody's got it in for Baruto...Osh with his first day-after-KK win since Haru 2010! ... Osh probably fooled a lot of gamers out there by abandoning his "kachi-kochi-otsukare" pattern Edited January 26, 2013 by kuroimori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Before senshuraku : Y : Who had expected this after last basho ? O : Kotoshogiku having to fight Kakuryu for KK on senshuraku, interesting ! S : Goeido & Baruto both at 7-7. With Goeido now taking on Tochinoshin & Baruto vs Ikioi. Two Maegashira already KK. K : Tochiozan failed to do it against Ikoi, he now has a second chance vs tournament revelation Takayasu who he's 5-1 against. M+ : Aminishiki taking the spot Shohozan is making free. But will Myogiryu & possibly Takayasu also get promoted ? And if Myogiryu would fail to finish KK, even Ikioi & Tochinoshin would still have a chance, right ? M : Will Homasho actually stay in Makuuchi ? I f.i. remember Toyonoshima falling from M5e to J1w some years ago after a 0-0-15. M- : Miyabiyama, Tamaasuka & Asahisho are all out. Kotoyuki might still get saved if he wins from Sotairyu tomorrow. But what about Wakanosato (4-10 at M11e), Daido (6-8 at M13e) & Shotenro (7-7 at M14e) ? The latter is taking on Wakanosato tomorrow after having lost 5 in a row, so that should be interesting. Daido will face Aran. J+ : Jokoryu & Sagatsukasa sure to get promoted, Chiyonokuni almost. Sotairyu might need to beat Kotoyuki. And what about Oiwato, who's facing Chiyonokuni ? I guess he only has a chance if Homasho or Wakanosato should get demoted. Oh, and I forgot Daikiho of course, who's now 7-7 at J1w and fighting Takanoiwa on senshuraku. J- : Shironoryu, Kotoyutaka & Takamisakari are out. Hochiyama probably as well, though it may depend on Kagamio, right ? As that one will have to beat Akiseyama in order to stay. Ms+ : Oniarashi, Tochihiryu, Sensho & Kitaharima sure of promotion I guess. A possible 5th & 6th (if Miyabiyama goes intai) spot could go to Kawanari & Arawashi or maybe even Seiro/Kamei/Chiyomaru/Chiyoarashi still have a chance if they win on senshuraku ? Seiro will face Chiyomaru. Ms : Iwasaki even dropped a third one, what will Osunaarashi do ? Tochimaru got his 8th KK from his last 9 basho, his 4th consecutive & 1st on Makushita level. Sd : Hamaguchi will even pass his heya-mate Iwasaki on the banzuke, right ? Jd : Amuru & Masutoo could battle over the Yusho again next basho in Sandanme. Jk : And what will Tamao be able to do in Jonidan in Haru ? Edited January 26, 2013 by Vikanohara Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 26, 2013 Chiyotairyu didn't only win his bout against Kotoyuki today, he also showed another skill on the dohyo: a living rikishi launching unit :-) (at 0:41 min) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yS_8DLxTa0o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,498 Posted January 26, 2013 Chiyotairyu looks perfectly at home in the upper ranks and that tachai was pretty amazing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bugman 384 Posted January 26, 2013 Who do you think is going to win the Yokozuna clash tommorrow? :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 26, 2013 Who do you think is going to win the Yokozuna clash tommorrow? :) I have a funny feeling it's going to be a Mongolian :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 26, 2013 Okay, jokes aside. If you compare the performance of the yoks, Harumafuji looks slightly favored to win. But I also think that fighting with a huge victory celebration hangover might hamper Harumafuji. Hakuho also does not want to give away a zensho yusho, so I think it'll be Hakuho. After 18 consecutive basho or 3 years covering the Yokozuna East spot, it will be a bit weird for him (and me as well) to see Hakuho on the Yokozuna West position in March. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted January 26, 2013 zensho for me is the reason to point the gumbai towards harumafuji there is no reason for hakuho to deny his fellow-mongolian the additional money (fame) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Did anyone else have a problem with Tochinowaka's match today? I thought he won it. Edited January 26, 2013 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted January 26, 2013 Kotooshu is strong as all hell and he got a good grip. Statistically, it is almost impossible to win all fights. The odds of something going wrong in those 3-5 seconds accumulates. On the one hand you are correct, I've seen all kinds of blown plays in pro sports where the athletes are at the highest level. On the other hand Hakuho has been so dominant that it is hard to believe that he could blow a bout this badly, especially with no apparent injury. Maybe he has gotten a little complacent, or maybe it's intentional. It makes me wonder, although I generally take conspiracy theories with a large grain of salt. I don't think it's intentional. Let's face it, he's older, and the parity at the top means anyone can beat anyone on any given day. Still, at this point (and I've said this before), I think we're seeing the real Hakuho. The "dominant one" from a few years ago was thusly because of a dearth of competition, and aged group of Ozeki, and the fact that Hak was younger and only in the last couple of years was he able to dominate guys like the aging Asa. Besides, Hak has looked quite good, if normal (except for the 2 losses). Sure, he gets into trouble, but that's related to what I said above. I think it's a given that he wanted this yusho pretty badly. But, this time, it was won with speed, cunning and intelligence. The more I see HF at work, the more he begins to resemble Asashoruyu, but without the aggression. I'm impressed with the guy. I didn't think that this undersized Yok would be that effective on a continuous basis. He hasn't got Asa's strength, or Hak's size, so speed is a key ingredient. So, because quickness is the first thing to go with age, I don't see a super-long Yok career here. Once he loses the lightning attack, and as competition gets stronger, there might be a real sudden fall from grace. So, I think we enjoy this for as long as it lasts. But I'm pretty sure Hak is bummed out about not winning this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted January 26, 2013 Who do you think is going to win the Yokozuna clash tommorrow? :) 5 Pesos on Hakuho. And a steak dinner. And 2 tickets to see the Toronto Maple Leafs in the Stanley Cup Final. And free admission to the Yochupsian Yak Throwing Contest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted January 26, 2013 zensho for me is the reason to point the gumbai towards harumafujithere is no reason for hakuho to deny his fellow-mongolian the additional money (fame) Sure there is : Jun-Yusho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,003 Posted January 26, 2013 History favors Jokoryu. The last 3 times a makushita 1 took the yusho, he was followed by a follow Juryo 1 yusho. 2009 Hatsu Fukuoka [Okinoumi] Ms1 7-0 Y Shotenro J1 11-4 Y 2002 Haru Gojoro Ms1 7-0 Y Kotoryu J1 12-3 Y 2001 Hatsu Harunoyama Ms1 7-0 Y Tamanonada [Tamanoshima] J1 12-3 Y Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted January 26, 2013 zensho for me is the reason to point the gumbai towards harumafujithere is no reason for hakuho to deny his fellow-mongolian the additional money (fame) Sure there is : Jun-Yusho. a jun-yusho is buying what?..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted January 26, 2013 You know, to hear some people talk, why even have a basho? We plainly know who OUGHT to win all the important match-ups, right? So that, if they don't go that way, it MUST be because of tampering, right? So forget it. The Kyokai can just assign the winners as we all know they ought to be without the bouts actually taking place, and any possibility of arranged bouts will be totally eliminated. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,501 Posted January 27, 2013 Somebody please help me spot the foul in this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okFqeK_d_So Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Crown jewel grip? (There is sound, so someone could just translate the message at the end.) Something else: Can it be that this is the first basho ever (= post 1957) without any playoff in any division? I manually checked back til 1990 but don't know how to query this. Edited January 27, 2013 by yorikiried by fate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted January 27, 2013 Somebody please help me spot the foul in this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okFqeK_d_So At 1:18 and 1:25 there are possible simultaneous strikes on both ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,501 Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Can it be that this is the first basho ever (= post 1957) without any playoff in any division? I manually checked back til 1990 but don't know how to query this. Appears to be the case, yes. Edited January 27, 2013 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
