Hagiwara's wiggle

[Gusoyama 98]

Has anyone else noticed that Hagiwara is very bouncy at the tachi-ai? Especially on days 4,5,7,10,and 12, where he puts in what looks to be a wiggle, which is probably just him setting his feet in, but it seemed very singular to me.

[Kashunowaka 300]

Hokutoriki leans forward so far that you think he will fall over any second.

[aderechelsea 124]

Miyabiyama slouches so compact that looks like he is taking a sh#$.....

[sekihiryu 51]

Miyabiyama slouches so compact that looks like he is taking a sh#$.....

;-)

He certainly does have a compact squat, so too does Kakizoe, he gets frightfully low to the clay and recoils like a spring ready to bounce out.

[Kaikitsune Makoto 206]

Musoyama checks his biceps at the last crouch down.

Kaiho rotates his shoulders once before the last crouch down.

Tosanoumi does thigh flexor streach before every crouch down.

[Kintamayama 44,646]

Chiyotenzan. Does the Can-Can. Left leg, then right leg. Watch..

Kasuganishiki does a stretch. Sakari scratches his butt. (No lie). U coughs.

[Ryunokaze 0]

On Hagiwara in general.Having watched him a couple of times live from the pit and every day on the tele. I would say he seems a very simple rikishi.

Hagiwara does not seem to be doing to much but wins anyway.Seems...not easy but...I dont know...perhaps relaxed, is the best way I could descibe it.

I suppose the crowd don't really know him yet,apart from the fanatics, and he is only a promise at this point but he comes with a kinda understated elegance.I would love to watch him at keiko.

A Hagiwara watch might be in order,seeing as he has such promise?

I know the hard core groupies at the pit have high expectations because when he rocked-up, the fans on entrance watch went into a frenzy.These are hard core.died in the wool fans.True they can get into a flap over Akinoshima walking through a side door but still,this was something else.

Shit,I am wanted on the phone.

Later,

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

Hagiwara watch? Hell, he was on the TITLE of the Ozumo May edition and you speak about installing a Hagiwara watch? Where are you living?

As to his Sumo style... I have seen few rikishi at this rank with that much sheer forward power which you might have missed to notice. You know, forward power is one of the not-so-subtle, but most important ingredients to Sumo... and as he is only 17 he is bound to only increase that power with his age.

[Ryunokaze 0]

Doit,

You seem a little upset.

For your info I am living in Tokyo,Doit.Thats how I can get to basho and keiko,Doit.

Did you get to this basho,Doit?

Don't freak-out but I don't think to many English speaking people in other parts of the world caught OZUMO this month,Doit.Is nice that you did though,Doit.

Is not a secret that this boy is hot,thus...

Yes,Doit.I must have missed Hagi's power from my A seat.Perhaps it was lost in his elegance or I was caught up with my mag.You would know though.Seeing as you are a far greater expert than me.

He is only 17.Wow! I had no idea.You guru you...

What I was trying to convey is that this fella is causing close to as much stir as Shoryu or Misakari, with the die-hards.True he doesn't have the broad appeal of Misakari or Shoryu but I wasn't prepared for his reception with the groupies.Was something else.You probably need to experience it to understand what I am getting at.Maybe you have, Doit?

Anyway,back to the main ring hey?

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

Don't freak-out but I don't think to many English speaking people in other parts of the world caught OZUMO this month.

Well, it was written about it on this very forum and the Sumo ML so there certainly are some English speaking fans knowing that. I knew that you're living in Tokyo and you should know that I knew due to the information given in your posts and that this was a rhetorical question (otherwise you fully qualifies as dumb).

Ryu, your style in talking to me is quite patronizing. Just let me say that you are just another guy who thinks attending the basho on A seats elevates you above Sumo fans in the world who only get to see the bouts on the internet or on TV. You are simply wrong. Very much so!

Let me state how I think about it, and without being patronizing: I am convinced from the level of your posts that your Sumo knowledge is inferior to mine, and I'm meaning this in just about every possible aspect.

[Manekineko 200]

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[Kaikitsune Makoto 206]

On Hagiwara in general.Having watched him a couple of times live from the pit and every day on the tele. I would say he seems a very simple rikishi.

Hagiwara does not seem to be doing to much but wins anyway.Seems...not easy but...I dont know...perhaps relaxed, is the best way I could descibe it

Simplicity in his sumo tends to be close to perfection. That is the very reason he has such huge capacity in the future. If his basic sumo is so ridiculously mature at the age of 17, what will it be in 5 years with more keiko with Wakanosato and others? Sure he isn't a trickster but nothing indicates he wouldn't have the tools to go for lef trips and especially various throws. He just goes forward for now and never stops the pressure.

He looks like he is going with his innate sumo flow. Beats strong rikishi with apparently light sumo. The one bout that really caught my attention was his loss to Roho. That Russian has massive power and yet Hagiwara quite neatly blocked his throws and it was also the first ever bout he lost with going backwards.

What I was trying to convey is that this fella is causing close to as much stir as Shoryu or Misakari, with the die-hards.True he doesn't have the broad appeal of Misakari or Shoryu but I wasn't prepared for his reception with the groupies.Was something else.You probably need to experience it to understand what I am getting at

Don't know what kind of stir he causes in Japan and never experienced any reception he gets in Kokugikan but die-hard fan of sumo I am, and especially prone to screen new guys' sumo content. Maybe he is very hot in Japan because even an occasional sumo viewer can sense that something remarkable is in this local boy but maybe the real sumo experts in Japan are having trouble suppressing the enthusiasm as they without a doubt see something very out of the ordinary in the making, sumo-wise. Wakanosato's comments about keiko with Hagiwara are really telling. After all Wakanosato knows what the top of the ozumo feels like in face to face bouts.

Sakari isn't comparable with Hagiwara. Difference is huge. Sakari is an experienced underdog with exceptional abilities while Hagiwara has no underdog lables anywhere.

The age in his case is the ultimate factor.

[Ryunokaze 0]

Doit,

The old "I know more than you do" games.

Thats good.It takes me back to primary school.

Tis not a race or competition.Just expressing my views.

Doit, it could well be that you are wrong.It could well be, that being at a basho does indeed give a person much knowledge that another person watching from across the world is not privy to.Some things you just need to experience in person to get a full appreciation.

If you haven't been then I doubt you could fully understand,lets say, Kotomitsuki barreling into somebody and getting it just right.It makes your jaw drop and you forget about your beer for a time.It is something.I know it is not the same on the tele.Live,you can feel the impact.The slap reverberates through you.If you don't mutter a slurred expletive the first time, then you must be in a beer-coma.

So I think being there gives a better idea of how a rikishi does things.Its locked in your mind by experience rather than read knowledge.You get a better fell for each rikishi.They become visceral and three dimensional.

Not to say that watching from your armchair is not enjoyable.It is.I know that felling too.But I doubt there is a sumo fan who would not prefer to be there ,and I doubt he would go away saying he hasn't learned more about sumo or at least has a greater appreciation for it.

I too have read much about Hagi prior to this basho and a bit before,but, I just thought a spot-light on the guy might be warranted,here.I suppose he is just another hopeful with promise really.

Patronize you,Doit-No never,your the man.

edit:mane, I saw your post after I had gone to the trouble.I have finished with this anyway.

Kaisan,

You seem to put well what I was getting at with his style.

I wasn't comparing Hagi,Shoryu and Sakari in style or dohyo performance wise though.Just as a measure of how people react to their presence.It isn't all the fans,just yet ,but the groupies who gather to watch the sekitori enter the pit by the side entrance.They went bonkers.

Edited May 22, 2004 by Ryunokaze

[Kaikitsune Makoto 206]

If you haven't been then I doubt you could fully understand,lets say, Kotomitsuki barreling into somebody and getting it just right.It makes your jaw drop and you forget about your beer for a time.It is something.I know it is not the same on the tele.Live,you can feel the impact.The slap reverberates through you.If you don't mutter a slurred expletive the first time, then you must be in a beer-coma.

So I think being there gives a better idea of how a rikishi does things.Its locked in your mind by experience rather than read knowledge.You get a better fell for each rikishi.They become visceral and three dimensional.

Not to say that watching from your armchair is not enjoyable.It is.I know that felling too.But I doubt there is a sumo fan who would not prefer to be there ,and I doubt he would go away saying he hasn't learned more about sumo or at least has a greater appreciation for it.

Kotomitsuki's couple of "just right"-barrellings have made a huge impact even via fuzzy webfeed so those must be something stunning witnessed at the location. How I wish I could be there to feel these moments!

I think your description is really apt. No doubt in my mind that getting the chance to see basho live at Kokugikan or even asageiko would add surplus to overall sumo comprehension. 3D rikishi indeed! Seeing live would give much insight to the grip significance, footwork, strengths and powers in the bout. All this mediates via media only partially. Maybe a bit similar to the difference in seeing a real dead person on TV close-up and to see a dead person up close on autopsy table (Applauding...)

Difference is there and it is unexplainable too. Maybe this sumo example is less gloomy but must carry a lot of truth.

Anyone willing to sponsor one (1) Finn to see senshuraku bouts live at Kokugikan in order to form a more thoroughal understanding of what sumo bout at makuuchi level is all about! I would prefer the 3rd row! (Dribbling...)

[Mark Buckton 1]

Anyone willing to sponsor one (1) Finn to see senshuraku bouts live at Kokugikan in order to form a more thoroughal understanding of what sumo bout at makuuchi level is all about! I would prefer the 3rd row! (Clapping wildly...)

Don't know about sponsor - the tour of Ryogoku / the kokugikan is always on offer though.

[Ryunokaze 0]

Anyone willing to sponsor one (1) Finn to see senshuraku bouts live at Kokugikan in order to form a more thoroughly understanding of what sumo bout at makuuchi level is all about! I would prefer the 3rd row! (In a state of confusion...)

Kaisan,

Right at this point, it is a little...

In the near future though, and should you wish to kip on a couch or floor.

Lets see how we go shall we?