Fujisan 533 Posted April 13, 2012 I had another email sent me asking if the UKSA can help them yesterday..... Dont ask me I said in so many words and gave them the url for this forum... Lets see if they come... Looks like Mark came back to the forum just in time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted April 13, 2012 I had another email sent me asking if the UKSA can help them yesterday..... Who do the UKSA want to help? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted April 14, 2012 I just came across this http://www.uk-sumo.com/staff.php Since you're the General Secretary and Mark Buckton is the President, why are you e-mailling yourself and why would it make any difference, timewise, that Mark Buckton has returned to the forum? I expect you might be getting a very sharp e-mail sometime soon! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted April 14, 2012 Paul, if you want to mail me please do. I still recall with a smile your reaction to receiving the banzuke I sent - "I opened the post, an then ran upstairs to show my Mum" Hope you are both well? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted April 14, 2012 I just came across this http://www.uk-sumo.com/staff.php Since you're the General Secretary and Mark Buckton is the President, why are you e-mailling yourself and why would it make any difference, timewise, that Mark Buckton has returned to the forum? I expect you might be getting a very sharp e-mail sometime soon! Can you read? I said I recieved an email asking for the UKSA's help,being the secretary of the UKSA everybody thinks I have all the answers.. I dont but Mark does(More than me anyway) Thats why Mark's return was well timed... Keep up Ronnie... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted April 14, 2012 Paul, if you want to mail me please do. I still recall with a smile your reaction to receiving the banzuke I sent - "I opened the post, an then ran upstairs to show my Mum" Hope you are both well? I am,thank you Mark... My moms not so good though she had a stroke a few months back and the recovery is slow but she is a lot better than she was.... If you like I will forward the email I recieved to you or you might just wanna see if he does come to the forum.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted April 14, 2012 please do FW. I imagine it is a person called Lloyd. Office member of rugby team and desperate to be recognised but clais sumo can be done sans mawashi not the sharpest tool in the box 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted April 14, 2012 Can you read? Keep up Ronnie... A bit rude Paul, but, yes, I can read. If you care to have another look, you'll see I already asked who was asking the UKSA for help. Or are you just a bit selective when it comes to your reading skills? It strikes me as a bit odd that someone in the UK looking for info on sumo wouldn't get in touch with the British Sumo Federation, who, after all, are the official governing body for sumo in the UK. You'll find them here http://www.sumo.org.uk/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted April 14, 2012 hi Ronnie, the BSF are not recognised as an official body by any sports body in the UK. The UKSA are - as well as by 2 agencies in Japan. Sports politics is a bit messy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Can you read? Keep up Ronnie... A bit rude Paul, but, yes, I can read. If you care to have another look, you'll see I already asked who was asking the UKSA for help. Or are you just a bit selective when it comes to your reading skills? It was'nt meant to be rude Ronnie.... Sometimes it doesn't come clear when its just words on a screen but I was just pulling your leg..... Edited April 14, 2012 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted April 14, 2012 please do FW. I imagine it is a person called Lloyd. Office member of rugby team and desperate to be recognised but clais sumo can be done sans mawashi not the sharpest tool in the box No it was from two photographers,I think they want to do a piece on sumo wrestlers.... Anyway do you want to give me your email address(PM if you prefer)and I will send it to you... Or do I just use the one from the UKSA website? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted April 15, 2012 your PM is off Paul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted April 15, 2012 your PM is off Paul Sorry Mark,my inbox was full... Try again now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasanishiki 57 Posted April 29, 2012 the BSF are not recognised as an official body by any sports body in the UK. The UKSA are - as well as by 2 agencies in Japan. Ok, now I'm interested. Do you mind divulging who recognises the UKSA in the UK and Japan? Which does the IFS recognise? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted April 29, 2012 the BSF are not recognised as an official body by any sports body in the UK. The UKSA are - as well as by 2 agencies in Japan. Ok, now I'm interested. Do you mind divulging who recognises the UKSA in the UK and Japan? Which does the IFS recognise? if you mail me Howard I will let you know as regards the UK and Japanese agencies. The IFS recognise over 80 nations - most nothing more than mail boxes never checked as you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasanishiki 57 Posted April 29, 2012 if you mail me Howard I will let you know as regards the UK and Japanese agencies. The IFS recognise over 80 nations - most nothing more than mail boxes never checked as you know. Will email you. You are right about a number of the national sumo federations that are recognised by the IFS. However, the rules for a federation being expelled, thus having its qualification revoked, and the for another federation to be recognised are covered off in Chapter 3 in the Rules on the IFS website: http://www.ifs-sumo.org/ifs-rules-a1-3.html. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) if you mail me Howard I will let you know as regards the UK and Japanese agencies. The IFS recognise over 80 nations - most nothing more than mail boxes never checked as you know. Will email you. You are right about a number of the national sumo federations that are recognised by the IFS. However, the rules for a federation being expelled, thus having its qualification revoked, and the for another federation to be recognised are covered off in Chapter 3 in the Rules on the IFS website: http://www.ifs-sumo....rules-a1-3.html. not sure the repeat references to IFS Howard as they were not referred to anywhere above??? That said, one IFS official did a while ago admit over half of all 'federations' are essentially ghost feds. Hopefully you have not lost the e-mail add. Edited April 29, 2012 by Mark.Buckton Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasanishiki 57 Posted April 30, 2012 Howard, saw your mail last night - deleted it without opening it. Let's just hope you are being more honest with Katrina in your contributions to her project than you were elsewhere when your e-mail suddenly stopped working as deadlines neared. Glad it seems to be OK again now. That’s a shame that you deleted the email without opening and therefore didn’t have a chance to answer my questions. I’ll paste it here instead: Hi Mark, Following on from the SF thread, I'm interested to know who in Japan (and the UK) recognises the UKSA. I take your point about a number of the national federations being in name alone, but the Rules of the IFS clearly set out how a federation can lose its qualification and how another can take over. Similarly, the same rules also state only one federation per country. I presume the definition of country would fall under IOC guidelines now that the IFS is part of the wider Olympic Movement. This means the the BSF and UKSA would be in direct competition. I realise that the UKSA's goals are rather broad and do not relate solely to amateur sumo, but Goal #3 on the UKSA website states: "3. To be recognized as the representative organization of sumo in the UK by relevant domestic sporting authorities and to work with such authorities to further promote #1 above." This implies some desire to replace the BSF, if I am not mistaken. Aside from bringing the sport into disrepute or being insolvent, the key way for a national federation to be expelled is inactivity. With a rather generous 5 years in which to only be active at a continental level, the British Sumo Federation would not qualify to be expelled, would it? Regards, Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
