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Survivors of closed heya

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Following up on an earlier post in which I mentioned three survivors of a now-defunct heya, I thought I'd round up all the rikishi who qualify for this category. I only include changes which saw rikishi actually move to a different heya - mere name changes aren't included, ruling out the likes of Nakadachi/Sakaigawa or Futagoyama/Takanohana. I'll update this post with any future heya closures, assuming of course that there are survivors who move to another heya. I'll also try to keep it updated with any relevant retirements or shikona changes.

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Wakamatsu-beya - Merged into Takasago-beya February 2002. Three survivors:

Asahikari - Retired after 2006 Hatsu.

Asanohama - Retired after 2002 Aki.

Asanotosa

Asanowaka - Retired after 2005 Natsu.

Asasato - Retired after 2002 Kyushu.

Asasekiryu

Asashogo - Retired after 2008 Natsu.

Asashoryu - Retired after 2010 Hatsu.

Asatakuya - Retired after 2002 Aki.

Asatenmai

Asatoshi - Retired after 2005 Hatsu.

Asayamada - Retired after 2004 Hatsu.

Ichinoya - Retired after 2007 Kyushu.

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Oshiogawa-beya - Closed March 2005. One survivor now in Oguruma-beya:

Ayanokaze - Retired after 2010 Kyushu.

Hienriki

Kinunoyama - Retired after 2005 Natsu.

Kiozan - Retired after 2009 Kyushu.

Wakakirin - Retired after 2009 Hatsu.

Wakatoba - Retired after 2007 Aki.

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Hatachiyama-beya - Closed June 2006. Three survivors now in Kitanoumi-beya:

Amamidake

Arashitenyu - Retired after 2008 Hatsu.

Daitenyu

Danyu - Retired after 2011 Aki.

Gotenyu - Retired after 2007 Nagoya.

Hakurozan - Retired after 2008 Aki.

Hatachidake - Retired after 2010 Kyushu.

Hatachijo

Sakai - Retired after 2007 Hatsu.

Shotenyu - Retired after 2006 Aki.

Wakatenyu - Retired after 2006 Aki.

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Isegahama-beya (previous generation) - Closed February 2007.

Two survivors moved to Kiriyama-beya - Closed January 2011.

Same two survivors moved to Asahiyama-beya - Closed January 2015.

One survivor now in Isegahama-beya (current generation):

Daiisshin

Manazuru - Retired after 2015 Hatsu.

NOTE - Other survivors only of the Asahiyama > Isegahama move are listed further down, along with Daiisshin.

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Araiso-beya - Closed September 2008.

One survivor moved to Hanakago-beya - Closed May 2012.

Same survivor now in Minezaki-beya:

Arawashi

NOTE - Other survivors only of the Hanakago > Minezaki move are listed further down, along with Arawashi.

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Tagonoura-beya (previous generation) - Closed February 2012. Eight survivors split between two heya:

Five survivors now in Dewanoumi-beya:

Aomihama

Aonosho

Hisanotora

Kairyu

Yoshimura

Three survivors now in Kasugano-beya:

Aoiyama

Aokishin

Aozora

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Oshima-beya - Closed April 2012. Five survivors now in Tomozuna-beya:

Asahisho

Kyokuhikari

Kyokuhozan

Kyokuryuo - Retired after 2014 Hatsu.

Kyokushuho

Kyokutaisei

Kyokutenho - Retired after 2015 Nagoya.

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Hanakago-beya - Closed May 2012. Four survivors now in Minezaki-beya:

Arawashi

Daiho - Retired after 2012 Kyushu.

Hikarugenji

Ozora

Ugonoumi - Retired after 2015 Hatsu.

Wakahikari - Retired after 2014 Haru.

Wakahizen

Yoyonohana - Retired after 2015 Natsu.

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Nakamura-beya - Closed December 2012. Four survivors now in Azumazeki-beya:

Byakko

Fujihisashi

Hishofuji

Mitozakura

Tokizakura - Retired after 2013 Natsu.

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Hanaregoma-beya - Closed February 2013. Six survivors now in Shibatayama-beya:

Maeta

Ryuseio

Sakigake

Shoketsu

Wakanoshima

Wakaryusei

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Magaki-beya - Closed March 2013. Two survivors now in Isegahama-beya:

Shunba

Terunofuji

Wakaaoba - Retired after 2014 Hatsu.

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Mihogaseki-beya - closed October 2013. Three survivors now in Kasugano-beya:

Aran - Retired after 2013 Aki.

Kaorufuji

Kurenishiki - Retired after 2015 Kyushu.

Mienosato

Miura - Retired after 2014 Haru.

Tochiimari

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Asahiyama-beya - Closed January 2015. Four survivors now in Isegahama-beya:

Daiisshin

Daitenpaku

Mimurodake

Terunohana

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Updated to include the re-establishment of Kise-beya and the closure of Oshima-beya.

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Great work! Thanks again, for the update. The original appeared just after my own old software disappeared with a zombie Mac.

Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

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Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

Maybe this list is a near duplicate already? Well, if you ever can restore your old list, I'd be grateful for reports of errors or additional rikishi.

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Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

Maybe this list is a near duplicate already? Well, if you ever can restore your old list, I'd be grateful for reports of errors or additional rikishi.

Little resemblance, I'm afraid. My chronological list, like the Kyokai's, goes back to #1 Hiraga of Los Angeles, who entered Kasugano in January 1934.

My last entry in the old software is #166 (not checked for page turns) Torugawa of Mongolia, who entered Minezaki in March 2006. After that it's all in pencil, and not updated since pre-earthquake.

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Little resemblance, I'm afraid. My chronological list, like the Kyokai's, goes back to #1 Hiraga of Los Angeles, who entered Kasugano in January 1934.

My last entry in the old software is #166 (not checked for page turns) Torugawa of Mongolia, who entered Minezaki in March 2006. After that it's all in pencil, and not updated since pre-earthquake.

Orion

Well, the list in the link can of course also be sorted by hatsu dohyo and further details for each rikishi obtained by click on the rikishi. If Torugawa is your #166 you should have seven more rikishi who could be added to the list (on the assumption that both lists have the same definition of "foreigner" - my list tries to go along with the shusshin part of the banzuke). Maybe you can somehow check the early parts of my list as here most likely are most of the additions from your list?

Oh, and I just added the details for Hiraga, so it's six missing rikishi now. :-)

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I understand there were 4 Americans, 1 not of Japanese descent, in the 1910s and 20s before Hiraga.

Pre-1934 - when Hiraga first arrived on the banzuke had 'shusshin' (as written on the banzuke) referring to area of training/heya as opposed to area of birth.

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Little resemblance, I'm afraid. My chronological list, like the Kyokai's, goes back to #1 Hiraga of Los Angeles, who entered Kasugano in January 1934.

My last entry in the old software is #166 (not checked for page turns) Torugawa of Mongolia, who entered Minezaki in March 2006. After that it's all in pencil, and not updated since pre-earthquake.

Orion

Well, the list in the link can of course also be sorted by hatsu dohyo and further details for each rikishi obtained by click on the rikishi. If Torugawa is your #166 you should have seven more rikishi who could be added to the list (on the assumption that both lists have the same definition of "foreigner" - my list tries to go along with the shusshin part of the banzuke). Maybe you can somehow check the early parts of my list as here most likely are most of the additions from your list?

Oh, and I just added the details for Hiraga, so it's six missing rikishi now. :-)

Thanks. I'll check when I can. But my list is simply the Kyokai's official list, which I transcribed from handwritten Japanese, putting katakana names into romaji, and adding my own information in English (like " nth foreigner to make sekitori") and other comments. So the rikishi on it are those classified as "foreigner" by the Kyokai in their official records. It's quite possible that their own list is now computerized; when I started transcribing it, (and indeed when I stopped, only a few years ago) the Kyokai had only a looseleaf file, handwritten. Whenever I asked, I got the relevant pages copied. My list is A4 sheets printed sideways, and ends near the bottom of page 4. Colour-coding the name of country of origin was a time-saver idea of my own.

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Great work! Thanks again, for the update. The original appeared just after my own old software disappeared with a zombie Mac.

Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

I may be able to help but I'm a slightly confused about the color-coded list you're trying to retrieve. In what format is it saved?

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Great work! Thanks again, for the update. The original appeared just after my own old software disappeared with a zombie Mac.

Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

I may be able to help but I'm slightly confused about the color-coded list you're trying to retrieve. In what format is it saved?

I wish I knew. One of my biggest problems is that I go back to the days before computers were coming into general use. I first taught myself (with a Japanese manual) to use a pretty primitive Japanese word processor, put a whole address list onto it, and then had to get it onto my first computer. That was a huge step, in the days when hardly anyone except proto-geeks were using computers.

(wildly OT) One of my regular jobs is with the National Diet Library, which was one of the world's first to try to get its holdings computerized (originally microfilmed!) (vastly complicated by the fact that it needed to use, not English, but the three forms of Japanese writing). Needless to say, by now it has been through several forms of migration and emulation to try and save its original work in this direction, in addition to adding new content in huge quantities (and all free). The just-retired Librarian, Dr. Nagaoka, had been one of Japan's first IT professors, and under his guidance we have moved into a new era. [Return to Sumo Forum] So, while I am working behind the scenes to help publish the work of some of Japan's top IT experts, a lot of my own early work has fallen by the wayside. For the moment, I have simply a printout, in colour, of my input of nearly all the Kyokai's official handwritten list of rikishi they identified as foreigners. Plus a barebones saved version without the fancy touches. My only source was a Xerox copy of the whole document, which I still have. There are some interesting arguments to be made about prior contenders, but that was outside my scope.

How lucky the younger members are, who have only been into computers (and in some cases, sumo) for the last ten years or so.... and these days it's not just the technical side; every time I Iook around the oyakata, it seems half of them have changed their names. This morning when I visited the Kokugikan during the annual Ryogoku Nijiwai Matsuri, at the sumo desk I was greeted as an old friend by three oyakata on duty -- but the most recent, the former Kitazakura, did a double-take and muttered, "But weren't you in charge of the big Japan- British Society group last month?" -- he'd quite forgotten my informal coverage of his beautiful beadwork. And one of the other two nudged him and said confidently "She's been around for ever" (which is true, to a man who started as a 15-year-old) and the other said, "She does NHK English -- and was a supporter of the Master when he was active" -- the latter being my main 'in'.

Orion the diverse

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Updated to include the closure of Hanakago-beya.

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Updated to include the closure of Nakamura-beya.

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Updated to include the closure of Hanaregoma-beya.

Sadly there were no surviving rikishi from the earlier closure of Nishonoseki-beya.

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Updated with the closure of Mihogaseki-beya.

Also removed the Tatsutagawa-beya entry from the original post, but I'll quote it here for posterity.

Tatsutagawa-beya - Closed September 2000. No survivors remaining.

Ryuho - Retired after 2012 Natsu.

Yamaryu - Retired after 2012 Aki.

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Original post updated with the closure of Asahiyama-beya.

Hopefully the way I've written the Isegahama and Araiso entries makes sense. I don't want to overcomplicate things but I also don't want to just remove those earlier closures altogether (until it happens naturally with the retirement of the relevant rikishi).

Also, in the interests of tidying up the list slightly I've removed the shikona change annotations. Shikona changes will still be updated as and when they happen, though.

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