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Following up on an earlier post in which I mentioned three survivors of a now-defunct heya, I thought I'd round up all the rikishi who qualify for this category. I only include changes which saw rikishi actually move to a different heya - name changes aren't included, such as Nakadachi/Sakaigawa or Matsugane/Nishonoseki.

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Wakamatsu-beya - Merged into Takasago-beya February 2002. Two survivors remaining:

Asanotosa
Asatenmai

Asahikari - Retired after 2006 Hatsu
Asanohama - Retired after 2002 Aki
Asanowaka - Retired after 2005 Natsu
Asasato - Retired after 2002 Kyushu
Asasekiryu - Retired after 2017 Natsu
Asashogo - Retired after 2008 Natsu
Asashoryu - Retired after 2010 Hatsu
Asatakuya - Retired after 2002 Aki
Asatoshi - Retired after 2005 Hatsu
Asayamada - Retired after 2004 Hatsu
Ichinoya - Retired after 2007 Kyushu

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Oshiogawa-beya - Closed March 2005. One survivor remaining in Oguruma-beya:

Hienriki

Ayanokaze - Retired after 2010 Kyushu
Kinunoyama - Retired after 2005 Natsu
Kiozan - Retired after 2009 Kyushu
Wakakirin - Retired after 2009 Hatsu
Wakatoba - Retired after 2007 Aki

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Hatachiyama-beya - Closed June 2006. Two survivors remaining in Yamahibiki-beya:

Amamidake
Hatachijo

Arashitenyu - Retired after 2008 Hatsu
Daitenyu - Retired after 2016 Aki
Danyu - Retired after 2011 Aki
Gotenyu - Retired after 2007 Nagoya
Hakurozan - Retired after 2008 Aki
Hatachidake - Retired after 2010 Kyushu
Sakai - Retired after 2007 Hatsu
Shotenyu - Retired after 2006 Aki
Wakatenyu - Retired after 2006 Aki

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Araiso-beya - Closed September 2008.
One survivor moved to Hanakago-beya - Closed May 2012.
Same survivor remaining in Minezaki-beya:

Arawashi

NOTE - Other survivors only of the Hanakago > Minezaki move are listed further down, along with Arawashi.

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Tagonoura-beya (previous generation) - Closed February 2012. Eight survivors were split between two heya:

Five survivors remaining in Dewanoumi-beya:

Aomihama
Hisanotora
Kairyu
Oginosho
Yoshimura

Two survivors remaining in Kasugano-beya:

Aoiyama
Aozora

Aokishin - Retired after 2018 Aki

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Oshima-beya - Closed April 2012. Four survivors remaining in Tomozuna-beya:

Asahisho
Kyokuhozan
Kyokushuho
Kyokutaisei

Kyokuhikari - Retired after 2018 Haru
Kyokuryuo - Retired after 2014 Hatsu
Kyokutenho - Retired after 2015 Nagoya

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Hanakago-beya - Closed May 2012. Three survivors remaining in Minezaki-beya:

Arawashi
Hikarugenji
Wakahizen

Daiho - Retired after 2012 Kyushu
Soranoumi - Retired after 2019 Natsu
Ugonoumi - Retired after 2015 Hatsu
Wakahikari - Retired after 2014 Haru
Yoyonohana - Retired after 2015 Natsu

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Nakamura-beya - Closed December 2012. Three survivors remaining in Azumazeki-beya:

Byakko
Fujihisashi
Mitozakura

Hishofuji - Retired after 2017 Hatsu
Tokizakura - Retired after 2013 Natsu

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Hanaregoma-beya - Closed February 2013. Three survivors remaining in Shibatayama-beya:

Ryuseio
Sakigake
Shoketsu

Maeta - Retired after 2018 Aki
Wakanoshima - Retired after 2017 Aki
Wakaryusei - Retired after 2017 Hatsu

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Magaki-beya - Closed March 2013. One survivor remaining in Isegahama-beya:

Terunofuji

Shunba - Retired after 2019 Natsu
Wakaaoba - Retired after 2014 Hatsu

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Mihogaseki-beya - closed October 2013. Two survivors remaining in Kasugano-beya:

Kaorufuji
Mienosato

Aran - Retired after 2013 Aki
Kurenishiki - Retired after 2015 Kyushu
Miura - Retired after 2014 Haru
Tochiimari - Retired after 2017 Hatsu


Three survivors remaining via branch-out in Kise-beya:

Higohikari
Mogaminishiki
Nankairiki

Hamamiryu - Retired after 2019 Natsu
Kabutoiwa - Retired after 2013 Kyushu
Taiseiryu - Retired after 2005 Natsu
Tenryo - Retired after 2011 Natsu


One survivor remaining via branch-out in Onoe-beya:

Hamaeiko

Baruto - Retired after 2013 Aki
Sakaizawa - Retired after 2011 Natsu
Shirononami - Retired after 2011 Natsu
Satoyama - Retired after 2018 Kyushu
Satsumariki - Retired after 2009 Aki


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Asahiyama-beya - Closed January 2015. Two survivors remaining in Isegahama-beya:

Mimurodake
Taiga

Daiisshin - Retired after 2019 Hatsu
Daitenpaku - Retired after 2018 Hatsu

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Kasugayama-beya - Closed October 2016. Seven survivors remaining in Nakagawa-beya:

Haruhikari
Kasugamine
Kasugaryu
Kyokusoten
Kyokuyuko
Okuniasahi
Okunisato

Fukunokuni - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Fukuyamato - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Hakunishiki - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Haruzakura - Retired after 2017 Hatsu
Kasugakuni - Retired after 2019 Aki
Kasugamaru - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Kasuganami - Retired after 2017 Kyushu
Kasugasato - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Kozan - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Kumao - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Mankajo - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Matsubayama - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Mizuguchi - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Ose - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Sasamenishiki - Retired after 2016 Kyushu
Shoei - Retired after 2017 Hatsu

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Takanohana-beya - Closed October 2018. Seven survivors remaining in Chiganoura-beya:

Takagenji
Takakeisho
Takakento
Takamasaki
Takanofuji
Takataisho
Takatenshu

Takanoiwa - Retired after 2018 Kyushu

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Izutsu-beya - Closed September 2019. Three survivors remaining in Michinoku-beya:

Hagane
Kakuryu
Kakutaiki


One survivor remaining via branch-out in Shikoroyama-beya:

Ounabara

Teraofuji - Retired after 2015 Haru

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Great work! Thanks again, for the update. The original appeared just after my own old software disappeared with a zombie Mac.

Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

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Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

Maybe this list is a near duplicate already? Well, if you ever can restore your old list, I'd be grateful for reports of errors or additional rikishi.

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Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

Maybe this list is a near duplicate already? Well, if you ever can restore your old list, I'd be grateful for reports of errors or additional rikishi.

Little resemblance, I'm afraid. My chronological list, like the Kyokai's, goes back to #1 Hiraga of Los Angeles, who entered Kasugano in January 1934.

My last entry in the old software is #166 (not checked for page turns) Torugawa of Mongolia, who entered Minezaki in March 2006. After that it's all in pencil, and not updated since pre-earthquake.

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Little resemblance, I'm afraid. My chronological list, like the Kyokai's, goes back to #1 Hiraga of Los Angeles, who entered Kasugano in January 1934.

My last entry in the old software is #166 (not checked for page turns) Torugawa of Mongolia, who entered Minezaki in March 2006. After that it's all in pencil, and not updated since pre-earthquake.

Orion

Well, the list in the link can of course also be sorted by hatsu dohyo and further details for each rikishi obtained by click on the rikishi. If Torugawa is your #166 you should have seven more rikishi who could be added to the list (on the assumption that both lists have the same definition of "foreigner" - my list tries to go along with the shusshin part of the banzuke). Maybe you can somehow check the early parts of my list as here most likely are most of the additions from your list?

Oh, and I just added the details for Hiraga, so it's six missing rikishi now. :-)

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I understand there were 4 Americans, 1 not of Japanese descent, in the 1910s and 20s before Hiraga.

Pre-1934 - when Hiraga first arrived on the banzuke had 'shusshin' (as written on the banzuke) referring to area of training/heya as opposed to area of birth.

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Little resemblance, I'm afraid. My chronological list, like the Kyokai's, goes back to #1 Hiraga of Los Angeles, who entered Kasugano in January 1934.

My last entry in the old software is #166 (not checked for page turns) Torugawa of Mongolia, who entered Minezaki in March 2006. After that it's all in pencil, and not updated since pre-earthquake.

Orion

Well, the list in the link can of course also be sorted by hatsu dohyo and further details for each rikishi obtained by click on the rikishi. If Torugawa is your #166 you should have seven more rikishi who could be added to the list (on the assumption that both lists have the same definition of "foreigner" - my list tries to go along with the shusshin part of the banzuke). Maybe you can somehow check the early parts of my list as here most likely are most of the additions from your list?

Oh, and I just added the details for Hiraga, so it's six missing rikishi now. :-)

Thanks. I'll check when I can. But my list is simply the Kyokai's official list, which I transcribed from handwritten Japanese, putting katakana names into romaji, and adding my own information in English (like " nth foreigner to make sekitori") and other comments. So the rikishi on it are those classified as "foreigner" by the Kyokai in their official records. It's quite possible that their own list is now computerized; when I started transcribing it, (and indeed when I stopped, only a few years ago) the Kyokai had only a looseleaf file, handwritten. Whenever I asked, I got the relevant pages copied. My list is A4 sheets printed sideways, and ends near the bottom of page 4. Colour-coding the name of country of origin was a time-saver idea of my own.

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Great work! Thanks again, for the update. The original appeared just after my own old software disappeared with a zombie Mac.

Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

I may be able to help but I'm a slightly confused about the color-coded list you're trying to retrieve. In what format is it saved?

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Great work! Thanks again, for the update. The original appeared just after my own old software disappeared with a zombie Mac.

Now all I need is new software that will duplicate my list of foreign rikishi, originally carefully copied onto computer from the Kyokai's handwritten pages, starting years ago, all nicely color-coded according to country... my desperate salvage attempt (via sending messages with attachments from Kinko's to my office PC) has reduced the list to black and white, and lost the kanji. :-(

Orion

I may be able to help but I'm slightly confused about the color-coded list you're trying to retrieve. In what format is it saved?

I wish I knew. One of my biggest problems is that I go back to the days before computers were coming into general use. I first taught myself (with a Japanese manual) to use a pretty primitive Japanese word processor, put a whole address list onto it, and then had to get it onto my first computer. That was a huge step, in the days when hardly anyone except proto-geeks were using computers.

(wildly OT) One of my regular jobs is with the National Diet Library, which was one of the world's first to try to get its holdings computerized (originally microfilmed!) (vastly complicated by the fact that it needed to use, not English, but the three forms of Japanese writing). Needless to say, by now it has been through several forms of migration and emulation to try and save its original work in this direction, in addition to adding new content in huge quantities (and all free). The just-retired Librarian, Dr. Nagaoka, had been one of Japan's first IT professors, and under his guidance we have moved into a new era. [Return to Sumo Forum] So, while I am working behind the scenes to help publish the work of some of Japan's top IT experts, a lot of my own early work has fallen by the wayside. For the moment, I have simply a printout, in colour, of my input of nearly all the Kyokai's official handwritten list of rikishi they identified as foreigners. Plus a barebones saved version without the fancy touches. My only source was a Xerox copy of the whole document, which I still have. There are some interesting arguments to be made about prior contenders, but that was outside my scope.

How lucky the younger members are, who have only been into computers (and in some cases, sumo) for the last ten years or so.... and these days it's not just the technical side; every time I Iook around the oyakata, it seems half of them have changed their names. This morning when I visited the Kokugikan during the annual Ryogoku Nijiwai Matsuri, at the sumo desk I was greeted as an old friend by three oyakata on duty -- but the most recent, the former Kitazakura, did a double-take and muttered, "But weren't you in charge of the big Japan- British Society group last month?" -- he'd quite forgotten my informal coverage of his beautiful beadwork. And one of the other two nudged him and said confidently "She's been around for ever" (which is true, to a man who started as a 15-year-old) and the other said, "She does NHK English -- and was a supporter of the Master when he was active" -- the latter being my main 'in'.

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Updated to include the closure of Hanaregoma-beya.

Sadly there were no surviving rikishi from the earlier closure of Nishonoseki-beya.

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Updated with the closure of Mihogaseki-beya.

Also removed the Tatsutagawa-beya entry from the original post, but I'll quote it here for posterity.

Tatsutagawa-beya - Closed September 2000. No survivors remaining.

Ryuho - Retired after 2012 Natsu.

Yamaryu - Retired after 2012 Aki.

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Original post updated with the closure of Asahiyama-beya.

Hopefully the way I've written the Isegahama and Araiso entries makes sense. I don't want to overcomplicate things but I also don't want to just remove those earlier closures altogether (until it happens naturally with the retirement of the relevant rikishi).

Also, in the interests of tidying up the list slightly I've removed the shikona change annotations. Shikona changes will still be updated as and when they happen, though.

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Original post updated with the messy closure of Kasugayama-beya. We'll have to wait and see if it's permanent or if it will re-emerge under a new shisho at some point, although frankly I think the remaining rikishi have suffered enough upheaval already.

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Fascinating thread, this. Thanks for the updates. I love the Daiisshin example - started at the old Isegahama beya, now in a different Iseghama beya with two other moves in between.

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2 hours ago, McBugger said:

What about Ajigawa-beya? 

It didn't close, it just changed its name.

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With so many heyas, it's probably normal to see these closures.   Conversely, are there new ones popping up at similar rate?

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50 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

It didn't close, it just changed its name.

I see. Wasn't around then. 

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58 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

With so many heyas, it's probably normal to see these closures.   Conversely, are there new ones popping up at similar rate?

The number of new heya openings have slowed considerably since 2006 when the NSK made it harder for oyakata to branch out - you now have to be an ex-yokozuna or ozeki, or have 25 basho in sanyaku or 60 basho in makuuchi. After six openings in the four years from 2002-2006, there were none after the new rules were introduced until ex-Musashimaru's Musashigawa-beya opened in 2013. Since then we've seen ex-Kaio's Asakayama (2014) and ex-Kotonishiki's Asahiyama (2016).

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