Doitsuyama 1,260 Posted July 21, 2011 Harumafuji won against a strong Kaisei to stay the sole makuuchi leader at 12-0, keeping Hakuho at bay who beat Okinoumi for his eleventh win. Baruto and possible new ozeki Kotoshogiku also won to reach double digits and stay in the yusho discussion, but Homasho lost to Aran to share the best maegashira record at 9-3 with shin-makuuchi Fujiazuma who surprised with a win over Tochiozan. It looks like two new komusubi will be needed as Tochinoshin fell to make-koshi while Kisenosato is set to stay sekiwake after improving to 7-5 with a win over his rival, ozeki Kotooshu. The two slots are still up for grabs with Toyonoshima in the best position, 6-6 at Ms2 and a much better schedule left than Okinoumi who has to take the brunt of the Kaio vacation in the ozeki rotation - at least he got the fusensho from Kaio. Myogiryu stayed in the juryo lead with a win over Kaonishiki, and Masunoyama and Tsurugidake still follow him one win behind while Tenkaiho dropped to the next pursuer group with Yoshiazuma, Takanoyama and Masuraumi who all secured kachi-koshi today. Yoshiazuma also looks like a very likely shin-makuuchi next basho, along with Masunoyama. Takanoyama has the inside track for the third free slot in makuuchi, but veterans Kokkai, Tamanoshima, Bushuyama or Tamaasuka still can easily get ahead of the lean Czech. Day 12 Juryo J8w Kanbayashi (2-10) oshidashi J11e Chiyonokuni (7-5) J7e Sadanofuji (6-6) oshidashi J13w Arawashi (4-8) J10e Tsurugidake (9-3) oshitaoshi J6e Sadanoumi (5-7) J12w Myogiryu (10-2) oshidashi J6w Kaonishiki (4-8) J12e Masuraumi (8-4) oshidashi J5e Hochiyama (7-5) J4e Kokkai (7-5) yoritaoshi J13e Hitenryu (6-6) J4w Aoiyama (6-6) yorikiri J8e Akiseyama (2-10) J3e Matsutani (5-7) hikiotoshi J11w Kakizoe (1-11) J3w Tamanoshima (6-6) oshidashi J9e Hamanishiki (4-8) J2e Yoshiazuma (8-4) hikiotoshi J10w Tenkaiho (8-4) J5w Takanoyama (8-4) sukuinage J2w Bushuyama (6-6) J1e Masunoyama (9-3) oshidashi J9w Shironoryu (6-6) J7w Sotairyu (7-5) yorikiri J1w Tamaasuka (6-6) Makuuchi M11e Takayasu (8-4) yorikiri M12w Toyohibiki (7-5) M10e Kitataiki (5-7) sotogake M14w Tochinonada (5-7) M10w Takarafuji (4-8) yorikiri M14e Takamisakari (3-9) M15w Kimurayama (6-6) oshidashi M9w Asasekiryu (4-8) M15e Fujiazuma (9-3) hatakikomi M8e Tochiozan (8-4) M8w Miyabiyama (7-5) tsukiotoshi M11w Tochinowaka (6-6) M13e Sagatsukasa (6-6) sukuinage M7e Tokitenku (6-6) M7w Gagamaru (4-8) oshidashi M13w Shotenro (5-7) M12e Daido (5-7) uwatedashinage M6e Tamawashi (3-9) M6w Aran (8-4) hatakikomi M9e Homasho (9-3) M3w Aminishiki (2-10) shitatenage M2e Kyokutenho (1-11) M1w Yoshikaze (4-8) hikiotoshi M5w Wakanosato (7-5) K1e Goeido (3-9) hikiotoshi M3e Wakakoyu (4-8) M2w Toyonoshima (6-6) oshidashi K1w Tochinoshin (4-8) S1e Kotoshogiku (10-2) yorikiri S2w Kakuryu (7-5) O1w Harumafuji (12-0) uwatedashinage M5e Kaisei (6-6) O1e Baruto (10-2) yoritaoshi M4w Takekaze (6-6) S1w Kisenosato (7-5) hatakikomi O2w Kotooshu (8-4) Y1e Hakuho (11-1) yorikiri M4e Okinoumi (6-6) Day 13 Juryo Ms5e Kotoyuki (3-3) J13w Arawashi (4-8) J13e Hitenryu (6-6) Ms5w Naoe (6-0) J8w Kanbayashi (2-10) J7w Sotairyu (7-5) J7e Sadanofuji (6-6) J12e Masuraumi (8-4) J11w Kakizoe (1-11) J6w Kaonishiki (4-8) J6e Sadanoumi (5-7) J10w Tenkaiho (8-4) J12w Myogiryu (10-2) J5w Takanoyama (8-4) J5e Hochiyama (7-5) J9e Hamanishiki (4-8) J11e Chiyonokuni (7-5) J4w Aoiyama (6-6) J9w Shironoryu (6-6) J3w Tamanoshima (6-6) J3e Matsutani (5-7) J8e Akiseyama (2-10) J2e Yoshiazuma (8-4) J4e Kokkai (7-5) J1e Masunoyama (9-3) J10e Tsurugidake (9-3) Makuuchi J2w Bushuyama (6-6) M14w Tochinonada (5-7) M14e Takamisakari (3-9) J1w Tamaasuka (6-6) M10e Kitataiki (5-7) M15e Fujiazuma (9-3) M10w Takarafuji (4-8) M9w Asasekiryu (4-8) M9e Homasho (9-3) M11e Takayasu (8-4) M15w Kimurayama (6-6) M8w Miyabiyama (7-5) M8e Tochiozan (8-4) M13w Shotenro (5-7) M13e Sagatsukasa (6-6) M7w Gagamaru (4-8) M7e Tokitenku (6-6) M12w Toyohibiki (7-5) M12e Daido (5-7) M6w Aran (8-4) M11w Tochinowaka (6-6) M5w Wakanosato (7-5) M2e Kyokutenho (1-11) M6e Tamawashi (3-9) M5e Kaisei (6-6) M1w Yoshikaze (4-8) M4w Takekaze (6-6) K1w Tochinoshin (4-8) K1e Goeido (3-9) M2w Toyonoshima (6-6) M3e Wakakoyu (4-8) S2w Kakuryu (7-5) M3w Aminishiki (2-10) S1w Kisenosato (7-5) S1e Kotoshogiku (10-2) M4e Okinoumi (6-6) O1e Baruto (10-2) O1w Harumafuji (12-0) Y1e Hakuho (11-1) O2w Kotooshu (8-4) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 825 Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) J3e Matsutani (5-7) hikiotoshi J11w Kakizoe (1-11) Time for Kakizoe to retire, surely. 21-58 over the last year, 9 consecutive make-koshi.... he's just embarrassing himself. Edited July 21, 2011 by ryafuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,260 Posted July 21, 2011 Oh, I forgot to mention the rising star Takayasu. He got his eighth win today which means that his makuuchi debut also is his 13th kachi-koshi in the last 14 basho, starting from sandanme in Haru 2009. He doesn't look ready for the joi-jin, but lets see how he'll do in mid makuuchi next basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruziklao 34 Posted July 21, 2011 It looks like two new komusubi will be needed as Tochinoshin fell to make-koshi while Kisenosato is set to stay sekiwake after improving to 7-5 with a win over his rival, ozeki Kotooshu. The two slots are still up for grabs with Toyonoshima in the best position, 6-6 at Ms2 and a much better schedule left than Okinoumi who has to take the brunt of the Kaio vacation in the ozeki rotation - at least he got the fusensho from Kaio. Now that would be a huge jump for Toyonoshima - from upper Makushita directly to komusubi! (Holiday feeling...) Myogiryu stayed in the juryo lead with a win over Kaonishiki, and Masunoyama and Tsurugidake still follow him one win behind while Tenkaiho dropped to the next pursuer group with Yoshiazuma, Takanoyama and Masuraumi who all secured kachi-koshi today. Yoshiazuma also looks like a very likely shin-makuuchi next basho, along with Masunoyama. Takanoyama has the inside track for the third free slot in makuuchi, but veterans Kokkai, Tamanoshima, Bushuyama or Tamaasuka still can easily get ahead of the lean Czech. KK for Takanoyama! (Holiday feeling...) Charge and throw for Makuuchi now! (Holiday feeling...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,287 Posted July 21, 2011 I did a quick banzuke guess based on the Day 11 results last night and was amused to find that the likely next two komusubi would have been Okinoumi and Homasho. Unlikely to happen that way once all 15 days are in, of course. Is Takamisakari out of makuuchi now? Classic expansion banzuke-making has been to assess the demotions based on the original division size, and with that his 9 losses at M14e should be too many, even with the next banzuke going down to M17e again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted July 21, 2011 Is Takamisakari out of makuuchi now? Classic expansion banzuke-making has been to assess the demotions based on the original division size, and with that his 9 losses at M14e should be too many, even with the next banzuke going down to M17e again... Interesting question... Probably moot, as he is bound to lose at least once more over the next three days, which would *surely* seal his demotion fate. However, in these strange times, and too rapid rises already up through Juryo, perhaps (as a crowd pleaser, and long-time Makunouchi regular) he would get the nod with a 6-9 over a 8-7 at J2 or J3? Although I would love to see Takanoyama in Makunouchi in September (I have a feeling that the 'skinny European' could also become a popular rikishi amongst the Japanese), records of 5-2 (ms2E), then (maybe) 9-6 (J5W) leading to Makunouchi promotion, does not seem fully deserved, IMO. Although looking at the likely gaps opening up in the expanded Makunouchi (I am guessing there will be 5 slots - the 3 empty ones, plus Robo + one of the three guys ranked at the bottom on the West side), and the Juryo rikishi ranked above him, who still have chances of KK, I am thinking that he will need at least a 10-5 to move on up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,287 Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) J3e Matsutani (5-7) hikiotoshi J11w Kakizoe (1-11) Time for Kakizoe to retire, surely. 21-58 over the last year, 9 consecutive make-koshi.... he's just embarrassing himself. Rumour has it that the Iwatomo-kabu has his name on it on a lending basis if it's not needed otherwise by then*, but of course the current Iwatomo still has 15 months until retirement anyway... And four months later Musashigawa will retire and free up a slightly more permanent solution, presuming that Miyabiyama would take the three-year grace period if/when his own intai time comes. Maybe something could already be swung when Isenoumi retires in two months...Tokitsukaze-ichimon is kinda short on endangered veterans after the forced exits by Shimotori, Toyozakura and Jumonji. * Either via a surprisingly quick Tochinonada retirement which would likely force Yotsukasa from Takenawa to Iwatomo, or a Takamisakari intai which could force Musashimaru to seek a loan kabu in his own ichimon (where he'd certainly have higher priority than Kakizoe). The Sakari/Maru issue could also impact the upcoming Isenoumi succession, of course. Edited July 21, 2011 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruziklao 34 Posted July 21, 2011 Although I would love to see Takanoyama in Makunouchi in September (I have a feeling that the 'skinny European' could also become a popular rikishi amongst the Japanese), records of 5-2 (ms2E), then (maybe) 9-6 (J5W) leading to Makunouchi promotion, does not seem fully deserved, IMO. Although looking at the likely gaps opening up in the expanded Makunouchi (I am guessing there will be 5 slots - the 3 empty ones, plus Robo + one of the three guys ranked at the bottom on the West side), and the Juryo rikishi ranked above him, who still have chances of KK, I am thinking that he will need at least a 10-5 to move on up... Actually I was pleasantly surprised by Takanoyama's May performance and deserved Juryo promotion after healthy KK. Thanks to all the "stuff" he ended promoted quite high so that I was hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. Surely I am not the only one surprised even more by his Nagoya performance. So Makuuchi promotion is not out of question and just like you I do not think at all that 9-6 could be enough. So it means at least 2 more wins. Possible, but difficult. Go Takanoyama! On different, but related note... how many Juryo debutants have got 10 wins? Although it is not rare, it is also not so common - among 126 Juryo debuts since 2000 (not counting the 7 current debutants) there are only 22 with at least 10 wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pikenoyama 27 Posted July 21, 2011 Maybe something could already be swung when Isenoumi retires in two months...Tokitsukaze-ichimon is kinda short on endangered veterans after the forced exits by Shimotori, Toyozakura and Jumonji. Yes, you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 419 Posted July 21, 2011 Aran displayed some good sumo in the past few days but then returned to that poor tachiai and pull down he likes. Too bad ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,287 Posted July 21, 2011 I'll channel my inner gernobono for a moment and play "Design the Yusho Race" - surely the most popular outcome would be: Day 13: Baruto (11-2) beats Haru (12-1), Hakuho (12-1) and Giku win (11-2) Day 14: Hakuho (13-1) beats Haru (12-2), Baruto (12-2) and Giku win (12-2) Day 15: Baruto (13-2) beats Hakuho (13-2), Haru (13-2) and Giku win (13-2) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datchayama 0 Posted July 22, 2011 Actually I was pleasantly surprised by Takanoyama's May performance and deserved Juryo promotion after healthy KK. Thanks to all the "stuff" he ended promoted quite high so that I was hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. Surely I am not the only one surprised even more by his Nagoya performance.So Makuuchi promotion is not out of question and just like you I do not think at all that 9-6 could be enough. So it means at least 2 more wins. Possible, but difficult. Go Takanoyama! His bout with Myogiryu today really surprised me. I think I've seen a good number of his bouts where he regularly tries to grab the arm to pull his opponent down. Unfortunately, I think that these later ones have figured that out as well and done better blocking against that. If they stay centered on him, it then ends up at the bales quickly. But he's kind of like a Takamisakari (in his heyday) with being real dangerous when caught on the bales... Strong enough to Utchari people around, and light+nimble enough to move out of trouble in a hurry. His escape today was awesome :) He's definitely got me rooting for him.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,401 Posted July 22, 2011 Which got me thinking, is a lightweight rikishi more or less prone to injuries than the heavyweights? I know Hayateumi never really recovered his knee injury, and Kaiho once got his ankle broken against Iwakiyama, so not being "clumsy" doesn't always help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted July 22, 2011 Quick question: why is the Hakuho vs Harumafuli bout scheduled for the 14th day? Is there some objective reason for having Baruto matched up with Hakuho on sanshuraku? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,909 Posted July 22, 2011 Quick question: why is the Hakuho vs Harumafuli bout scheduled for the 14th day? Is there some objective reason for having Baruto matched up with Hakuho on sanshuraku?Baruto is #2 on the banzuke, and it is a (lousy) tradition to have #1 vs. #2 on the last bout of a basho. Only rarely they go with a more thrilling solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted July 22, 2011 So there is some kind of a hierarchy amongst ozeki, right? Is it just based on performances in previous tournaments, just like the rest of the banzuke? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salle 11 Posted July 22, 2011 So there is some kind of a hierarchy amongst ozeki, right? Is it just based on performances in previous tournaments, just like the rest of the banzuke? Just like the rest of the banzuke. If you look at the current banzuke you will see Baruto-Harumafugi on second line after Hakuho and then Kaio and Kotooshu at third line. East side of banzuke is "higher" so that makes Baruto N1 ozeki. These "ranks" are based on previous basho performance hence "like the rest". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted July 22, 2011 thanks, I'm surprised that i didn't know this before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted July 22, 2011 I'll channel my inner gernobono for a moment and play "Design the Yusho Race" - surely the most popular outcome would be:Day 13: Baruto (11-2) beats Haru (12-1), Hakuho (12-1) and Giku win (11-2) ... So instead we have Harry still at 13-0 so now Hak beats Harry on day 14 so they're both 13-1 and then simply both win or lose on senshuuraku for the kettei-sen. Not nearly as fun as a three-way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted July 23, 2011 Not nearly as fun as a three-way... But then, what is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
