Flohru 176 Posted March 19, 2011 Well said, the same holds true for anyone trivializing what happened at Chernobyl and that was what brought me into this discussion... I'm not trivializing anything. I just said the number of fatalities was much lower than I initially thought, all the "projections" in the article you quoted notwithstanding. Well, you said that Chernobyl caused 48 deaths and somebody else stated that the area affected by the disaster was just 30 miles around the plant - that's what I call trivializing because no serious scientist would claim that. As for Fukushima I entirely agree with you that there is widespread scare campaign taking place, but this discussion did start because of the exact opposite: as soon as the problems in Fukushima became public, some pro-nuclear media began to tell us "everything is safe and under control" or even "Fukushima is a triumph for nuke power: Build more reactors now!" (the headline of the very first article linked in this thread) and some members started to post these articles here for whatever reasons... I said that this is trivializing and even disrespectful and I stand by my words as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) Well said, the same holds true for anyone trivializing what happened at Chernobyl and that was what brought me into this discussion... I'm not trivializing anything. I just said the number of fatalities was much lower than I initially thought, all the "projections" in the article you quoted notwithstanding. Well, you said that Chernobyl caused 48 deaths and somebody else stated that the area affected by the disaster was just 30 miles around the plant - that's what I call trivializing because no serious scientist would claim that. As for Fukushima I entirely agree with you that there is widespread scare campaign taking place, but this discussion did start because of the exact opposite: as soon as the problems in Fukushima became public, some pro-nuclear media began to tell us "everything is safe and under control" or even "Fukushima is a triumph for nuke power: Build more reactors now!" (the headline of the very first article linked in this thread) and some members started to post these articles here for whatever reasons... I said that this is trivializing and even disrespectful and I stand by my words as well. And I agree. News from TEPCO seems to get worse every day - I keep a close eye on the NHK Newsworld English broadcast, ignoring CNN and other stupidity - and there's no way one can "write off" the situation there. Just because there's no crater doesn't mean it's not a very serious situation. And by NHK's own accounts, it's getting worse. The dead you can't do much about. The missing, well, all you can do is look for them. The old and sick need to be looked after, but there are only so many health care professionals to go around. The rest are missing. The homeless is another problem. Rebuilding might take years. Or in some areas, never. But that's ok. The Media has a new toy: Libya. Won't be long before Anderson Cooper et al are running to Africa like crazy. Cause, ya know, gotta sell them commercials. Edited March 20, 2011 by Treblemaker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orion 431 Posted March 20, 2011 Well said, the same holds true for anyone trivializing what happened at Chernobyl and that was what brought me into this discussion... I'm not trivializing anything. I just said the number of fatalities was much lower than I initially thought, all the "projections" in the article you quoted notwithstanding. Well, you said that Chernobyl caused 48 deaths and somebody else stated that the area affected by the disaster was just 30 miles around the plant - that's what I call trivializing because no serious scientist would claim that. As for Fukushima I entirely agree with you that there is widespread scare campaign taking place, but this discussion did start because of the exact opposite: as soon as the problems in Fukushima became public, some pro-nuclear media began to tell us "everything is safe and under control" or even "Fukushima is a triumph for nuke power: Build more reactors now!" (the headline of the very first article linked in this thread) and some members started to post these articles here for whatever reasons... I said that this is trivializing and even disrespectful and I stand by my words as well. And I agree. News from TEPCO seems to get worse every day - I keep a close eye on the NHK Newsworld English broadcast, ignoring CNN and other stupidity - and there's no way one can "write off" the situation there. Just because there's no crater doesn't mean it's not a very serious situation. And by NHK's own accounts, it's getting worse. The dead you can't do much about. The missing, well, all you can do is look for them. The old and sick need to be looked after, but there are only so many health care professionals to go around. The rest are missing. The homeless is another problem. Rebuilding might take years. Or in some areas, never. Aargh, Right. But may I interpose to point out that life in Tokyo continues much as normal, apart from the fact that we are feeling very tired, with the train delays and panic buying of goods that are generally in good suoply? Doreen still here and facing reality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoviki 16 Posted March 20, 2011 Aargh,Right. But may I interpose to point out that life in Tokyo continues much as normal, apart from the fact that we are feeling very tired, with the train delays and panic buying of goods that are generally in good suoply? Doreen still here and facing reality At least I'm glad to hear that things are the same in your area as they are in my area! Though for me out here there are not so much train delay as that the trains don't make it to my station and stop up the line.. but that is ok... Yes here to Tokyo & Saitama life in my areas continues as normal everyone going to work but leaving much earlier due to the train delays or lack of any and the 2.5 hour lines to buy 20 liters of gasoline and the same panic buying of some foods... Saturday kids were playing the school yard and riding bicycles and people were jogging and there was road construction and people walking dogs... it was eerily normal... of course after dark with all the energy conservation the roads and stores were all dark and scary!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted March 22, 2011 Let's see ... In the past year, I've had 3 4 CT scans, a radioactive dye lymph node mapping and 2 PET/CT full body scans (in addition to the CT, you get injected with a radioactive sugar which attaches itself to active cells, mainly cancer, but also brain and a few other areas). In the past 30 months I've had a little more than that, plus chemotherapy (Diffuse Large B-Cell Lymphoma). I'm much more likely to get a secondary cancer from that than trace amounts of extra radiation in Tokyo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted March 22, 2011 A really good cartoonish explanation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
