Peterao 3 Posted March 1, 2011 Today saw the first processing of intai paperwork since the yaocho scandal broke. Two lower ranked rikishi with no known connections to the gambling scandal were allowed to leave the Kyokai. One Jonokuchi rikishi, one tokoyama. The Jonokuchi rikishi was identified as Masumeidai. His danpatsushiki is scheduled for March 5th, and he will begin working for the Chunichi newspaper company the following month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted March 1, 2011 Today saw the first processing of intai paperwork since the yaocho scandal broke. Two lower ranked rikishi with no known connections to the gambling scandal were allowed to leave the Kyokai. One Jonokuchi rikishi, one tokoyama. The Jonokuchi rikishi was identified as Masumeidai. His danpatsushiki is scheduled for March 5th, and he will begin working for the Chunichi newspaper company the following month. Masumeidai is going to work for the mass media... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 1, 2011 The Jonokuchi rikishi was identified as Masumeidai. His danpatsushiki is scheduled for March 5th, and he will begin working for the Chunichi newspaper company the following month. Masumeidai is actually a Banzuke guy and has been so for the last 5 bashos if I'm not mistaken, not in Jonokuchi. For those who are keeping score.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Hanaregoma says ex- Kasuganishiki was paid 11,000,000 yen in retirement money. "He was paid when he retired, before the scandal broke out..," he explained. Upgraded to 15,710,000 yen in recent stories. Presumably the upgrade would include a refund of money held by the Kyokai to pay his taxes. (Just guessing) No, I think the various journalists just aren't sure how to calculate the sum total since the Kyokai isn't very forthcoming about the small details (especially for rikishi like Kasuganishiki - many juryo appearances, relatively few in makuuchi). I can't figure it out either...even knowing the basic framework the only way I'm able to reach exactly 15,710,000 fails Occam's Razor. In any case, 11 million was probably based only on his makuuchi service, while 15-odd must include some credit for his juryo time. I have no idea what's correct. I don't think the 11 million number should be attributed to Hanaregoma, BTW...IIRC he only confirmed that Kasuganishiki was paid, the number itself came from Sanspo's (?) journo. "For privacy reasons" the Kyokai never specifies retirement awards nowadays. Edited March 1, 2011 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 1, 2011 Kasugano Oyakata is urging Ex-Kasuganishiki to decline his salary."I have to think about this. I'm thinking about the best way to go about this," he explained. Asked about this today, Kasugano Oyakata had this to say: " As much as I wish he would decline to accept the salary, in the end it's up to him ." It did seem at some point that Kasugano may try to convince Takenawa to refuse it, but I guess that's that then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) The Jonokuchi rikishi was identified as Masumeidai. His danpatsushiki is scheduled for March 5th, and he will begin working for the Chunichi newspaper company the following month. "I have no regrets about joining sumo. Now, I wish to write from the outside about my beloved sumo!": Edited March 1, 2011 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted March 1, 2011 Kasugano Oyakata is urging Ex-Kasuganishiki to decline his salary."I have to think about this. I'm thinking about the best way to go about this," he explained. Asked about this today, Kasugano Oyakata had this to say: " As much as I wish he would decline to accept the salary, in the end it's up to him ." It did seem at some point that Kasugano may try to convince Takenawa to refuse it, but I guess that's that then. I bet he tried and didn't get anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted March 1, 2011 Kasugano Oyakata is urging Ex-Kasuganishiki to decline his salary."I have to think about this. I'm thinking about the best way to go about this," he explained. Asked about this today, Kasugano Oyakata had this to say: " As much as I wish he would decline to accept the salary, in the end it's up to him ." It did seem at some point that Kasugano may try to convince Takenawa to refuse it, but I guess that's that then. I bet he tried and didn't get anywhere. It's kind of a no-brainer to determine whether a yaocho rikishi would do the honorable thing or take the money while he can... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoviki 16 Posted March 1, 2011 Shukan Post is running a story on a Raihou, a 23 year old former tsukebito of Harumafuji, who purportedly explains yaocho in bouts that took place with Hakuho in 2008 and 2009.We'll see if the Investigation committee takes time to fit this into their busy and exhaustive schedule... Wow...Raiho is a friend of mine. He had to retire due to injuries. He was Harumafuji's tsukibito from the time I met him.. like forever ago. I guess he needs money thus the story to the press.. Damn... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoviki 16 Posted March 1, 2011 Kasugano Oyakata is urging Ex-Kasuganishiki to decline his salary."I have to think about this. I'm thinking about the best way to go about this," he explained. Asked about this today, Kasugano Oyakata had this to say: " As much as I wish he would decline to accept the salary, in the end it's up to him ." It did seem at some point that Kasugano may try to convince Takenawa to refuse it, but I guess that's that then. I bet he tried and didn't get anywhere. It's kind of a no-brainer to determine whether a yaocho rikishi would do the honorable thing or take the money while he can... I guess he figures it is the last money he'll see from the kyokai and he wants to get what he can since he'll be kicked out of sumo and looking for a job.. he may also feel desperate.... or his wife is making him take the money...LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted March 1, 2011 Shukan Post is running a story on a Raihou, a 23 year old former tsukebito of Harumafuji, who purportedly explains yaocho in bouts that took place with Hakuho in 2008 and 2009.We'll see if the Investigation committee takes time to fit this into their busy and exhaustive schedule... Wow...Raiho is a friend of mine. He had to retire due to injuries. He was Harumafuji's tsukibito from the time I met him.. like forever ago. I guess he needs money thus the story to the press.. Damn... Could it be an attack of conscience? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoviki 16 Posted March 1, 2011 Shukan Post is running a story on a Raihou, a 23 year old former tsukebito of Harumafuji, who purportedly explains yaocho in bouts that took place with Hakuho in 2008 and 2009.We'll see if the Investigation committee takes time to fit this into their busy and exhaustive schedule... Wow...Raiho is a friend of mine. He had to retire due to injuries. He was Harumafuji's tsukibito from the time I met him.. like forever ago. I guess he needs money thus the story to the press.. Damn... Could it be an attack of conscience? or it could be revenge?? I have heard from many rikishi that Harumafuji treats his tsukibito terribly.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted March 1, 2011 Shukan Post is running a story on a Raihou, a 23 year old former tsukebito of Harumafuji, who purportedly explains yaocho in bouts that took place with Hakuho in 2008 and 2009.We'll see if the Investigation committee takes time to fit this into their busy and exhaustive schedule... Wow...Raiho is a friend of mine. He had to retire due to injuries. He was Harumafuji's tsukibito from the time I met him.. like forever ago. I guess he needs money thus the story to the press.. Damn... Could it be an attack of conscience? or it could be revenge?? I have heard from many rikishi that Harumafuji treats his tsukibito terribly.... More pressing than the motives of a former Sandanme is the question of what, if anything, the Yaocho "Investigation" Committee (even though all the investigation is coming from the tabloids) will do about it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Ex-Kasuganishiki (current Takenawa Oyakata) is not going down alone. Today he spoke about the yaocho, claiming no less than 40 rikishi were involved. He mentioned active sanyaku rikishi by name and told how he started out with the yaocho stuff five years ago. It looks as if he named names during his investigation by the new committee, so the scope of rikishi under suspicion will probably widen. "I am sorry for the trouble I have caused, but I sure wasn't the only one doing it.. There were about 40 others. Why are we the only ones getting blamed? " he is reported to have testified. He is not happy that he and only a few rikishi are being blamed, so it seems he named more names. Back in Hatsu 2006 when he was Maegashira 5, a tsukebito of a sanyaku rikishi approached him and asked if he would "roll" and lose. That was his first time, he says. "Back then I thought it was wrong so I refused to do it," he said. But later, injuries turned him into an elevator rikishi between Makuuchi and Juryo, so he decided to join the fray. The said named sanyaku rikishi has denied doing yaocho, of course. This being said, Takenawa has no proof at all of his story as he could not produce any new mails, so the committee is proceeding cautiously with this, it seems. Edited March 1, 2011 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koukai 4 Posted March 1, 2011 In Hatsu 06 Kasuganishiki lost to Oshu, only sanyaku he fought. Hard to belive, if it exsist, it was started only at 2006. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 1, 2011 In Hatsu 06 Kasuganishiki lost to Oshu, only sanyaku he fought.Hard to belive, if it exsist, it was started only at 2006. He said HE started in 2006, when he was approached, so it is safe to say it existed before as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gusoyama 93 Posted March 1, 2011 I'm not surprised that more names have been named, but I'd be interested to see who they were, and what's going to happen. I'm guessing "no proof means no conviction", and until hard evidence comes up against high level guys, nothing will happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted March 1, 2011 I'm not surprised that more names have been named, but I'd be interested to see who they were, and what's going to happen. I'm guessing "no proof means no conviction", and until hard evidence comes up against high level guys, nothing will happen. The odds that hard proof of yaocho will ever be found again must be really slim. So I imagine the feeling of the Kyokai is to sacrifice a few lambs (both black and white), implement some token measures that can't be quantified, and claim success in solving the problem. Everything that's been done so far looks to me as though they are working towards that predetermined "solution". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) (reconstructed the quotes a bit for context) Back in Hatsu 2006 when he was Maegashira 5, a tsukebito of a sanyaku rikishi approached him and asked if he would "roll" and lose. That was his first time, he says. "Back then I thought it was wrong so I refused to do it," he said. In Hatsu 06 Kasuganishiki lost to Oshu, only sanyaku he fought. Hard to belive, if it exsist, it was started only at 2006. If I'm reading it correctly, the papers are saying that the rikishi Kasuganishiki mentioned is a current sanyaku rikishi, not necessarily somebody who was in sanyaku in 2006. That expands the list of candidates to Oshu, Harumafuji, Kisenosato and possibly Toyonoshima (wasn't in sanyaku on the most recent banzuke, but on the not-banzuke). Hmm, Kotooshu at 7-2 or Ama on day 1...Kasuganishiki beat Ama, BTW, not that that has to mean anything. Edited March 2, 2011 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted March 2, 2011 Ex-Kasuganishiki (current Takenawa Oyakata) is not going down alone. Today he spoke about the yaocho, claiming no less than 40 rikishi were involved. No, he didn't. So sez Kasugano oyakata, who today mentioned that, when he asked Takenawa Oyakata to confirm this, his reply was "that was written even though I said nothing like that. I've said nothing like that to anyone." This contradicts reports from a Kyokai insider, who claims that in several meetings with the Investigation Committee ex-Kasuganishiki has suggested several names not among the known 14 involved in yaocho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 2, 2011 (reconstructed the quotes a bit for context)If I'm reading it correctly, the papers are saying that the rikishi Kasuganishiki mentioned is a current sanyaku rikishi, not necessarily somebody who was in sanyaku in 2006. That expands the list of candidates to Oshu, Harumafuji, Kisenosato and possibly Toyonoshima (wasn't in sanyaku on the most recent banzuke, but on the not-banzuke). Hmm, Kotooshu at 7-2 or Ama on day 1...Kasuganishiki beat Ama, BTW, not that that has to mean anything. Ambivalent. "Geneki sanyaku" means active Sanyaku- as in "a rikishi who is currently active", and not necessarily currently sanyaku, which leads me to believe he was sanyaku then, just a gut feeling.. I personally think it was a then-sanyaku- the feeling of what is written (his tsukebito came by etc..) is we're dealing with quite a higher ranked rikishi. And there is no importance if Kasuganishiki won or lost because he himself says he didn't go along with it. I could be wrong, but just a gut feeling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) Ex-Kasuganishiki (current Takenawa Oyakata) is not going down alone. Today he spoke about the yaocho, claiming no less than 40 rikishi were involved. No, he didn't. So sez Kasugano oyakata, who today mentioned that, when he asked Takenawa Oyakata to confirm this, his reply was "that was written even though I said nothing like that. I've said nothing like that to anyone." Yeah right, like he was going to publicly admit it if it were true. Doesn't say it's true, but I kinda believe he did SAY it during his interview, mostly to share the blame with others. Many others. In any case, there is more at play here. Mainichi are scooping the others grandly on this story. They were the first to break the news of the mobile scandal very early in the morning, and this story came out of Mainichi (very early in the morning) as well. The other outlets, especially Houchi, are going with "regarding the story (of the 40 yaochistas) that has been circulating elsewhere" and are bending over backwards to show it isn't true. Edited March 2, 2011 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted March 2, 2011 The English version of Mainichi's alleged scoop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted March 2, 2011 Wakanoho is back in this week's Shukan Gendai. While I don't think I'll get around to reading it, the jist of this week's story seems to be that, after retracting his original yaocho claims, he actually _did_ receive payment from the Kyokai, about 5.3 million yen, and has the bank records showing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,182 Posted March 2, 2011 The English version of Mainichi's alleged scoop Bloody great translation of my post, huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
