Doitsuyama 1,178 Posted May 18, 2010 Two young rikishi with high expectations got the kachi-koshi in makushita today with Tochinowaka and Masunoyama, the latter from his career high rank no less. Some eternal talents who don't seem to be able to upgrade their game another notch give new hope with the early kachi-koshi, namely Fujiazuma, Nakanokuni, Nionoumi, Ikioi and Kihonoumi. In lower makushita we have Terashita with the kachi-koshi, continuing his climb back up from jonokuchi and now already surpassing his old rank before the fall after a 24-2 record. 43 years old Tochitenko won against 20 years old Kairyu and needs one more win to have another makushita basho. In sandanme we have two more rikishi at 5-0 with veteran Saito and sandanme regular Tosahayato, both outsiders in the upcoming yusho deciders. Jonidan has four more undefeated rikishi now with yusho favorite Sasakiyama, Saishin (11-1 career with his only loss on day 1 last basho against Sasakiyama), Hokudozan and Sekiho. Mongolian Ryuonami beat Terutsuyoshi to join the jonokuchi yusho lead with Hashimoto. Jonokuchi Jk31w Wakashoji (1-4) oshidashi Jk29w Sunaga (1-4) Jk26e Osato (4-1) kotenage Jk32w Sawada (3-2) Jk24e Daichi (4-1) yorikiri Jk28w Hisasakamoto (3-2) Jk23w Ryujofuji (4-1) yorikiri Jk21w Suzuki (3-2) Jk21e Masutenryu (3-2) oshidashi Jk25w Kotokawamura (2-3) Jk19e Hayatemune (2-3) shitatenage Jk30e Kato (1-4) Jk18w Azumasho (3-2) yorikiri Jk25e Kotonanba (2-3) Jk19w Tanahashi (4-1) oshidashi Jk17e Masunosho (3-2) Jk16e Daishonada (2-3) yorikiri Jk20w Hara (1-4) Jk16w Sugimoto (3-2) yorikiri Jk14e Nishiyama (2-3) Jk11e Motoi (3-2) uwatenage Jk13w Wakayamada (2-3) Jk9w Ryuonami (5-0) uwatenage Jk14w Terutsuyoshi (4-1) Jk8w Kitasatsuma (2-3) oshitaoshi Jk3w Onuki (1-4) Jk6e Tamahikari (4-1) yorikiri Jk2w Anjoryu (3-2) Jk5w Kanai (3-2) oshidashi Jk1e Kasachikara (2-3) Jonidan Jd121e Shikinokawa (2-3) oshidashi Jk2e Kaikisho (1-4) Jd119w Daishiryu (4-1) hatakikomi Jd124e Aratobi (3-2) Jd122w Sakurai (3-2) shitatenage Jd117w Fukusegawa (2-3) Jd123w Daiseishin (4-1) yorikiri Jd115w Higohikari (3-2) Jd113w Okuniyama (3-2) yoritaoshi Jd116w Matsugahama (2-3) Jd112w Hokuyozan (3-2) oshidashi Jd111e Kanryu (2-3) Jd110e Asaamami (3-2) hikiotoshi Jd108w Hamadayama (2-3) Jd107e Masukoma (2-3) yorikiri Jd111w Daishorin (1-4) Jd109e Motokiyama (4-1) tsukiotoshi Jd105e Kainofuji (3-2) Jd103w Hayatefuji (3-2) uwatenage Jd108e Takaakita (2-3) Jd102e Asaryuho (2-3) uwatenage Jd104e Hasugeyama (1-4) Jd100e Sakabe (3-2) okuridashi Jd98w Kotokonjo (2-3) Jd99w Nara (2-3) oshidashi Jd97w Shimasegawa (1-4) Jd96e Shijima (4-1) uwatenage Jd100w Mitozakura (3-2) Jd94w Chikarayama (3-2) hatakikomi Jd93e Zendaisho (2-3) Jd89w Oigarashi (2-3) hatakikomi Jd93w Amanowaka (1-4) Jd89e Asakoki (2-3) tsukiotoshi Jd88e Amakusa (1-4) Jd87e Tochitensho (3-2) oshidashi Jd90e Kotofubuki (2-3) Jd84e Arai (3-2) oshidashi Jd85w Kotodairyu (2-3) Jd86w Yamamoto (3-2) okuridashi Jd83e Kotowatanabe (2-3) Jd78w Amamidake (2-3) oshidashi Jd85e Tokiarashi (1-4) Jd81w Hoonami (4-1) yorikiri Jd77w Toshi (3-2) Jd76w Rokumonsen (2-3) oshidashi Jd80w Kirimaru (1-4) Jd75w Wakamiura (3-2) yorikiri Jd75e Sadanosato (2-3) Jd71w Kiriarashi (3-2) okuridashi Jd73e Nakayama (2-3) Jd68w Yamato (3-2) uwatenage Jd70e Tsuya (2-3) Jd67w Kisenishiki (3-2) yorikiri Jd69w Masuamami (2-3) Jd66w Teraofuji (2-3) oshidashi Jd72w Otsukuba (1-4) Jd63w Miyakita (2-3) oshidashi Jd62e Kotookazaki (1-4) Jd62w Azumasato (3-2) oshidashi Jd60w Ranbuzan (2-3) Jd74e Sekiho (5-0) hatakikomi Jd58e Tsurubayashi (4-1) Jd61w Tomisakae (4-1) oshidashi Jd56w Marikomaru (3-2) Jd64e Hokutoryu (1-4) uwatenage Jd54e Byakko (0-5) Jd52e Owada (4-1) nichonage Jd53w Fukai (3-2) Jd56e Tenryo (3-2) abisetaoshi Jd51e Hatachidake (2-3) Jd48w Fujinoumi (2-3) yoritaoshi Jd55w Ebisumaru (1-4) Jd49w Saishin (5-0) oshitaoshi Jd46w Hamaazuma (4-1) Jd43e Obamaumi (2-3) oshidashi Jd47w Hayatejo (1-4) Jd43w Karyutsukasa (3-2) uwatedashinage Jd40e Fujinohana (2-3) Jd39e Yoshinofuji (3-2) abisetaoshi Jd37w Sadanosho (2-3) Jd44e Ohifuji (4-1) tsukiotoshi Jd36w Hamaminato (3-2) Jd35w Asakubo (3-2) sukuinage Jd34e Akatsuki (2-3) Jd32e Teraoryu (3-2) oshidashi Jd33e Misakiyama (2-3) Jd31e Kasugashin (2-3) yorikiri Jd34w Echizenyama (1-4) Jd26e Hokudozan (5-0) okuritaoshi Jd38w Yudai (4-1) Jd24w Igarashi (2-3) oshidashi Jd29w Taguchi (1-4) Jd23e Takamine (4-1) oshitaoshi Jd30e Wakanishiki (3-2) Jd21e Shibahara (3-2) uwatenage Jd25e Yatsurugi (2-3) Jd24e Wakahikari (3-2) yorikiri Jd19w Oseumi (2-3) Jd21w Notozakura (4-1) oshidashi Jd17w Onami (3-2) Jd16e Taketoba (2-3) yoritaoshi Jd15e Tamakishin (1-4) Jd14e Aiyama (3-2) oshidashi Jd13e Miyakofuji (2-3) Jd14w Masumiura (4-1) yorikiri Jd11e Terunosato (3-2) Jd8e Takashoma (3-2) tsukiotoshi Jd8w Teraosho (2-3) Jd20e Sasakiyama (5-0) okuridashi Jd6w Tokushuzan (4-1) Jd5e Burinosato (2-3) yorikiri Jd7e Daigoki (1-4) Jd2e Umenokawa (4-1) yoritaoshi Jd5w Naniwaryu (3-2) Sandanme Jd3e Yutsukasa (2-3) makiotoshi Sd99w Toofuji (1-4) Sd98e Takaurata (2-3) yoritaoshi Sd99e Tokishibata (1-4) Sd96w Chiyoshuho (3-2) oshidashi Sd94w Kainokura (2-3) Sd97e Kosenho (4-1) sukuinage Sd93w Teraomaru (3-2) Sd96e Hoshiazuma (3-2) katasukashi Sd92w Tanno (2-3) Sd88e Daishoiwa (3-2) yorikiri Sd92e Tochiotoha (2-3) Sd90w Takamisato (4-1) yorikiri Sd87e Isamizuki (3-2) Sd86e Daishoko (1-4) hatakikomi Jd1w Kotosaito (0-5) Sd89e Kirizakura (2-3) oshidashi Sd84w Hanakaze (1-4) Sd81w Haruhikari (3-2) isamiashi Sd80e Chiyonishiki (2-3) Sd79e Katagiri (4-1) yorikiri Sd85e Sadanohama (3-2) Sd78e Shobimaru (2-3) hikiotoshi Sd82w Wakayuki (1-4) Sd83e Tosahayato (5-0) oshidashi Sd77e Daiseiho (4-1) Sd76w Tsurunoumi (3-2) hatakikomi Sd72w Daigen (2-3) Sd69w Koriyama (2-3) hatakikomi Sd75e Dainin (1-4) Sd68w Maeshinpu (3-2) shitatenage Sd71w Chiyoraizan (2-3) Sd67e Tochifudo (4-1) yorikiri Sd70w Hanasegawa (3-2) Sd73e Owaka (1-4) oshidashi Sd65w Gonoumi (0-5) Sd63e Saito (5-0) yorikiri Sd65e Kasugaryu (4-1) Sd63w Komanokuni (3-2) shitatenage Sd62e Ayanokaze (2-3) Sd60e Higo (4-1) oshidashi Sd61w Maenofuji (3-2) Sd60w Asai (1-0) oshidashi Sd59e Matsubayama (0-5) Sd57e Satonofuji (3-2) tsukiotoshi Sd61e Ryukiyama (2-3) Sd57w Kyokutaisei (4-1) ketaguri Sd56e Sachiazuma (3-2) Sd53w Isanokuni (3-2) yorikiri Sd54w Kamiyutaka (2-3) Sd51w Tamanotaka (3-2) osakate Sd53e Kaisenryu (2-3) Sd49e Hokuoryu (4-1) yoritaoshi Sd52w Daishowaka (3-2) Sd48e Amatsu (3-2) oshidashi Sd50w Hienriki (2-3) Sd45w Araumago (4-1) kotenage Sd44e Enatsukasa (3-2) Sd47w Ryutei (2-3) tsukiotoshi Sd43e Kabutoiwa (1-4) Sd42e Otakayama (3-2) yoritaoshi Sd42w Goki (2-3) Sd38e Danyu (3-2) yoritaoshi Sd41e Kosei (2-3) Sd37e Kisenowaka (2-3) hatakikomi Sd39w Kotokobai (1-4) Sd38w Ryusei (4-1) yorikiri Sd35w Minanosato (3-2) Sd35e Kaishinho (2-3) yorikiri Sd31w Isenohana (1-4) Sd31e Koshinoryu (2-3) oshidashi Sd30e Toho (1-4) Sd32e Chiyootori (4-1) tsukidashi Sd29e Dewahayate (3-2) Sd26w Kotookuyama (3-2) oshidashi Sd27w Toyohikari (2-3) Sd24w Rendaiyama (3-2) oshidashi Sd24e Daikamifusa (2-3) Sd22w Kotoninsei (2-3) hikiotoshi Sd27e Okinofuji (1-4) Sd21e Kumagai (3-2) yorikiri Sd23w Chiyohakuryu (2-3) Sd18w Haruzakura (2-3) oshidashi Sd22e Toshinyama (1-4) Sd19e Tamao (4-1) shitatenage Sd16w Kawanari (3-2) Sd15e Wakakengo (3-2) yorikiri Sd17w Kotokino (2-3) Sd12e Aisaka (3-2) sukuinage Sd14e Kazafuzan (2-3) Sd14w Chiyomaru (2-3) oshidashi Sd10e Takatoshi (1-4) Sd9w Daishoki (3-2) hatakikomi Sd11w Tochinoyama (2-3) Sd7w Fujimoto (4-1) oshidashi Sd13e Byakko (3-2) Sd8e Sadanishiki (3-2) yoritaoshi Sd6e Akinomine (2-3) Sd4w Matsumidori (4-1) hikiotoshi Sd10w Tokio (3-2) Sd1w Kotootori (2-3) hikiotoshi Sd5e Katsunofuji (1-4) Makushita Ms60e Musoketsu (3-2) oshidashi Sd3w Chiyonoshin (2-3) Sd1e Yamatofuji (4-1) hatakikomi Ms57w Sakigake (3-2) Ms57e Kihonoumi (4-1) yorikiri Ms56e Gorikiyama (3-2) Ms58w Tochitenko (3-2) sukuinage Ms53w Kairyu (2-3) Ms50e Tokachiumi (3-2) yoritaoshi Ms52w Wakanoshima (2-3) Ms49w Kaishin (2-3) uwatenage Ms55e Yamashita (1-4) Ms51e Asanotosa (2-3) yoritaoshi Ms48w Ota (1-4) Ms49e Tokitsukasa (4-1) tsukiotoshi Ms45w Kotokuni (3-2) Ms43e Tochiyashiki (2-3) oshidashi Ms47e Shoho (1-4) Ms44w Terashita (4-1) yorikiri Ms41w Fukunohana (3-2) Ms38w Taika (2-3) hikiotoshi Ms42w Tenichi (1-4) Ms37w Wakamifuji (3-2) oshidashi Ms41e Higonojo (2-3) Ms36e Kasugakuni (3-2) oshidashi Ms40w Kotoyuki (2-3) Ms34w Kotomisen (3-2) oshidashi Ms36w Daiyubu (2-3) Ms31e Chokozan (4-1) yorikiri Ms39e Azumaryu (3-2) Ms34e Furuichi (3-2) kainahineri Ms30e Sakaguchi (2-3) Ms28w Mochimaru (3-2) yoritaoshi Ms29w Kamei (2-3) Ms27w Toyonokuni (3-2) yoritaoshi Ms29e Ryuden (2-3) Ms25e Masunoyama (4-1) yorikiri Ms25w Surugatsukasa (3-2) Ms22e Nionoumi (4-1) oshidashi Ms23w Hamanishiki (3-2) Ms24w Tamadaiki (2-3) uwatenage Ms21e Kitazono (1-4) Ms22w Kaonishiki (3-2) yorikiri Ms18e Minami (2-3) Ms16w Fujiazuma (4-1) tsukitaoshi Ms19w Kitaharima (3-2) Ms14w Daitensho (4-1) hikiotoshi Ms18w Tochihiryu (3-2) Ms14e Ryuo (2-3) hikiotoshi Ms15w Satoyama (1-4) Ms15e Oniarashi (3-2) shitatenage Ms13e Amuru (2-3) Ms11e Tochinowaka (4-1) yorikiri Ms13w Towanoyama (3-2) Ms9w Nakanokuni (4-1) oshidashi Ms10w Takayasu (3-2) Ms9e Shirononami (3-2) oshidashi Ms8e Aoki (2-3) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted May 18, 2010 Alright Ohifuji, KK! Asaamami, still 2 more chances, gambatte! Tochiyashiki, win out for KK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 80 Posted May 18, 2010 Ms34e Furuichi (3-2) kainahineri Ms30e Sakaguchi (2-3) Is it just me, or is it getting more and more frequent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,150 Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) Ms34e Furuichi (3-2) kainahineri Ms30e Sakaguchi (2-3) Is it just me, or is it getting more and more frequent? In Furuichi bouts? Perhaps... 2003: 6 kainahineri in 21 wins 2004: 3/21 2005: 8/22 2006: 13/21 2007: 12/20 2008: 11/19 2009: 10/20 2010: 8/12 Should be about 7/12 based on the last few years, so not a significant spike yet, I'd say. Edited May 18, 2010 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted May 18, 2010 Sd32e Chiyootori (4-1) tsukidashi Sd29e Dewahayate (3-2) :-) He's back. 2 more now and we're into makushita at 17 years of age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted May 18, 2010 Is it possible to search the database for rikishi who have debuted in a division lower or greater than a specified age? I'd be interested to know what age the 10 youngest ever makushita debutants were and where Chiyootori ranks in that respect (if he was to get there for Nagoya). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,150 Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) Is it possible to search the database for rikishi who have debuted in a division lower or greater than a specified age? I'd be interested to know what age the 10 youngest ever makushita debutants were and where Chiyootori ranks in that respect (if he was to get there for Nagoya). Only in a roundabout way, e.g. this query combined with some spreadsheet magic. At any rate, off-hand I can think of four rikishi on the current banzuke alone who did make their makushita debuts before turning 18: Ryuden (17y 3m 15d on banzuke release), Masunoyama (17y 5m 27d), Kotoyuki (17y 11m 0d) and Chiyoarashi (17y 11m 17d). More historically, there's Wakanoyama (17y 5m 18d), and Kobo just missed it (18y 0d 8d). Not to mention a certain few dai-yokozuna, of course... Edited May 18, 2010 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted May 18, 2010 Your final point is the reason I ask. At that age he is potentially 'on schedule' for a great career. Has anyone seen him in action and does anyone think he has 'it' ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,817 Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) Your final point is the reason I ask. At that age he is potentially 'on schedule' for a great career. Has anyone seen him in action and does anyone think he has 'it' ?Using my weird talent data, I found that almost exactly 2000 past rikishi were in Chiyootori's current cohort (17 years old in the 13th basho). Only 38 out of these 2000 had a higher relative banzuke position than Chiyootori at that time. Among these 38 were 5 later Yokozuna (Tamanoumi, Wakanohana, Takanohana, Onokuni, Futahaguro), 3 later Ozeki, 4 later Sekiwake, and 2 later Komusubi. On the downside, nine out of those 38 who were better than Chiyootori at the current stage, never made it to Juryo.Later edit: What's even more impressive with Chiyootori is that he lost almost a year through injury. That again, however, makes his future potential somewhat dubious. Edited May 18, 2010 by Randomitsuki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted May 18, 2010 Thanks Randomitsuki. All interesting; and I agree, the injury makes his current position more impressive while also bringing his robustness and longevity slightly into question. Let's hope it's a one-off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
