Ganzohnesushi 507 Posted June 16, 2009 It is 3,5 years now since I started playing virtual Sumo Games and in most of them I was quite successful so far. Of course my highlight basho was Aki '08 when I won the Green Mawashi and I hope to repeat this coup soon. But there are still a few games where I feel I'm not good at all. I checked my win-loss-record in all 19 Superbanzuke Games and to my surprise I found that in average my results in daily games are significantly better than in pre-basho games. Coincidence or the ability to draw the right conclusions from the daily bouts? Let's see the details: Pre-Basho Hoshitori Toto 141-189 42,73% This is by far the worst result in all Games and I have still no glue why I'm sucking here. It is hard to explain why I'm doing so terribly bad here while in similar games my record is average or even better. I had just one lucky punch with a 14-1 Jun-Yusho back in Aki '08 but the rest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,768 Posted June 16, 2009 It was a welcome opportunity to update my game stats - I haven't tabulated my win-loss records for more than two years. Here are the results, ordered from worst to best: Pre-Basho Games: Upside Down Hoshitori: 246-234 (51.25%) Juryo Game: 190-172 (52.49%) Paper Oyakata: 223-197 (53.10%) Salarycap Sumo: 253-212 (54.41%) Norizo Cup: 205-170 (54.67%) Sekitori Oracle: 247-203 (54.89%) GISP: 223-182 (55.06%) RotoSumo: 231-185 (55.53%) Ozumo Bingo: 152-118 (56.30%) Fantasy Sumo: 273-207 (56.88%) Guess the Banzuke: 306-204 (60.00%) Hoshitori Game: 293-187 (61.04%) So, Ganzohnesushi's worst game is my best game... Daily Games: Sekitori Quadrumvirate: 187-188 (49.87%) Tippspiel: 208-172 (54.74%) Sumo Game: 230-190 (54.76%) Sekitori Toto: 233-186 (55.61%) ISP: 245-186 (56.84%) Bench Sumo: 241-179 (57.38%) Chaingang: 54-29 (65.06%) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hidariashiyama 0 Posted July 1, 2009 How did you determine a W-L record for Chain Gang? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,768 Posted July 1, 2009 How did you determine a W-L record for Chain Gang?When I first saw Ganzohnesushi's post I was wondering the exact same thing. The reasoning behind it is so brilliantly simple that I never would have had this idea myself. If you are out on day, your record is 0-1. If you are out on day 2, your record is 1-1, etc. pp.Unfortunately, the resulting W/L records are exceedingly high (someone would have to be absolutely terrible to get a negative W/L career record), and therefore cannot be compared to other games that well. It's tricky - based on pure numbers one could conclude that Chaingang is the easiest game, but the experience of playing it usually suggests the opposite effect... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kofuji 0 Posted July 1, 2009 How did you determine a W-L record for Chain Gang?When I first saw Ganzohnesushi's post I was wondering the exact same thing. The reasoning behind it is so brilliantly simple that I never would have had this idea myself. If you are out on day, your record is 0-1. If you are out on day 2, your record is 1-1, etc. pp. That would seem to me to be a bogus way of doing win-loss for Chain Gang. Shouldn't it be if you're out on Day 1, you are 0-15 and 15-0 if you happen to make it through until the end? It would be relatively easy to run Chain Gang basho and career W-L records on that basis from the database. I'll take a crack at it tomorrow morning assuming another game glitch isn't found in the meantime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 507 Posted July 1, 2009 .... Shouldn't it be if you're out on Day 1, you are 0-15 and 15-0 if you happen to make it through until the end? It would be relatively easy to run Chain Gang basho and career W-L records on that basis from the database. I'll take a crack at it tomorrow morning assuming another game glitch isn't found in the meantime. Do whatever you like, but for me it is not a 1-14 when I'm out after Day 2. Simply counting Days 3 - 15 as a loss then would be far away from reality. Hatsu 2008 had 112 players and none of these survived Day 2.... I stick to my mediocre 33-21 (I am not worthy...) Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kofuji 0 Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) .... Shouldn't it be if you're out on Day 1, you are 0-15 and 15-0 if you happen to make it through until the end? It would be relatively easy to run Chain Gang basho and career W-L records on that basis from the database. I'll take a crack at it tomorrow morning assuming another game glitch isn't found in the meantime. Do whatever you like, but for me it is not a 1-14 when I'm out after Day 2. Simply counting Days 3 - 15 as a loss then would be far away from reality. Hatsu 2008 had 112 players and none of these survived Day 2.... I stick to my mediocre 33-21 :-P Ganzohnesushi So, the way you're counting it, you've participated in 21 bashos and averaged being out after day 2. Edited July 2, 2009 by Kofuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kofuji 0 Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Here is an extract from the career Chain Gang stats for the 243 players that have participated in at least six bashos ordered by average number of days correct. The columns 0-15 are the count of bashos with that number of correct days. If someone can tell me how to get rid of the extra rows more easily than deleting the line break at the end of each row, I'd be happy to post the full list. [/td][td]Shikona Bashos DaysCorrect DaysWrong DaysOut AvgDays 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 Gunterao 16 81 15 159 5.0625 4 2 1 1 1 0 0 1 2 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 86 Kofuji 32 79 32 401 2.4687 7 7 5 4 4 2 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 157 Randomitsuki 29 53 29 382 1.8275 9 8 2 5 2 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 191 Ganzohnesushi 21 34 21 281 1.619 8 3 3 5 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Edited July 2, 2009 by Kofuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 507 Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Rank 191 among 243 players then is not slightly above average as I wrongly guessed but a terribly bad performance.... :-P The table is showing the absolute figures but it would be good to see the avg. days in relation to the avg.days in the Bashos someone has participated. In the 21 Bashos where I played the avg. was 2,0616, i.e. I'm 0,4424 below avg.. That is still underperforming but it looks a bit better now... Ganzohnesushi p.s: I think you have counted Day 1 a few Basho ago (when the system was not working) as a win for all players. In my opinion this should not be counted as a win. That's why I have counted only 33 wins for me. Edited July 2, 2009 by Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 2, 2009 When I first saw Ganzohnesushi's post I was wondering the exact same thing. The reasoning behind it is so brilliantly simple that I never would have had this idea myself. If you are out on day, your record is 0-1. If you are out on day 2, your record is 1-1, etc. pp. Basically, it's exactly the way career records are calculated in tennis and related sports, though the tournament structure of course differs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
