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Maegashira preparations -Natsu 2009

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For the first time since he entered Makuuchi (unbelievable!!), Kisenosato was "allowed" to go for degeiko on the 24th. He visited Harumafuji (who came a day before to Naruto) at Isegahama beya and had 30 bouts against him. "It was good keiko!', he exclaimed. His shisho is known for maintaining that degeiko is "unnecesary". But with Wakanosato injured (right ankle) and not doing keiko, this was a special situation, so he allowed it, if not only for "returning the favor" of the Ozeki's visit to Naruto.

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Why would he think degeiko was unnecessary? It seems to me like a really good idea, whether you have many sekitori or not.

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Why would he think degeiko was unnecessary? It seems to me like a really good idea, whether you have many sekitori or not.

If I recall correctly, Naruto oyakata had some bad experiences at degeiko when he was active and so has decided it is not necessary for his deshi to go and train elsewhere. Also, Naruto is a fair way away from the other heya and so it is perhaps logistically less desirable to go to degeiko as well?

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Also, Naruto is a fair way away from the other heya and so it is perhaps logistically less desirable to go to degeiko as well?

Kisenosato traveled 22 kilometers for that degeiko, yes.

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If the oyakata is fretting distance something is wrong! If someone drives Kisenosato to somewhere like Isegahama it can be done in less than 20 minutes ( I make a similar drive very near to Naruto and pass by Isegahama on my way to and from twice a week)

Maybe the lack of deigeiko is what is making it impossible for Kisenosato to really get ahead?

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Why would he think degeiko was unnecessary? It seems to me like a really good idea, whether you have many sekitori or not.

If I recall correctly, Naruto oyakata had some bad experiences at degeiko when he was active and so has decided it is not necessary for his deshi to go and train elsewhere. Also, Naruto is a fair way away from the other heya and so it is perhaps logistically less desirable to go to degeiko as well?

A little bit more about it can be found here.

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For the first time since he entered Makuuchi (unbelievable!!), Kisenosato was "allowed" to go for degeiko on the 24th. He visited Harumafuji (who came a day before to Naruto) at Isegahama beya and had 30 bouts against him. "It was good keiko!', he exclaimed. His shisho is known for maintaining that degeiko is "unnecesary". But with Wakanosato injured (right ankle) and not doing keiko, this was a special situation, so he allowed it, if not only for "returning the favor" of the Ozeki's visit to Naruto.

I could imagine that this kind of total oddity is rather frustrating for Kise. He has no competition in his stable and beats Wakanosato regularly without much problems. Also he does seem to have ambition and desire to get higher for sure and yet he is confined in his stable doing tedious keiko with only Wakanosato. Luckily there are rikishi who come to train at Naruto-beya. There are no downsides that I can think of if Kise would go for degeiko often. His physique is one of the best in sumo and that is not a problem at all and that he can train well at Naruto but he has fundamental flaws in defending against morozashi and to repair that he'd need a variety to morozashi specialists to train with. Naruto oyakata naturally fully understands the weaknesses of his star deshi and yet he doesn't expose him more to learning ways to cope with that morozashi. I totally don't understand this approach. Kisenosato's losses are mainly due to this particular weakness and most of his foes now go for this.

WHat can he do to get better?

1. Get stronger? Faster?

Sure but he already is very strong and fast too.

2. Learn to block better morozashi and letting his foes inside.

Can he do this at Naruto? NO. He is not competing against maegashira or juryo or makushita, he is competing against sanyaku and very skillful guys like Kakuryu, Harumafuji, Goeido, Tochiozan. Can he clearly improve his skills to block these guys' attacks by only working out at Naruto rikishi? NO.

3. Get more confidence?

Sure but he does have confidence, of course it gets shaky when he loses 100-0 sometimes. Best way to get confidence would be to realise he can regularly handle the bouts he has now major problems with due to the major weakness. If he gets that "Now I can worry less about losing like a hokutoriki", he will gain extra confidence and will be good.

Then again, maybe he is happy with his homefield keiko and doesn't even have the hunger to go for degeiko. If that is the case, I doubt he will get to ozeki ever.

Oozumo is odd dd dd

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How much training with the other stables would Kisenosato get on jungyo? From Asashosakari's link to the shisho's ideas on degeiko, it seems as though Naruto deshi are supposed to get their degeiko through these regional tours. There should be a fair amount of opportunity for Kisenosato to mix it up with other top level rikishi on a routine basis...

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How much training with the other stables would Kisenosato get on jungyo? From Asashosakari's link to the shisho's ideas on degeiko, it seems as though Naruto deshi are supposed to get their degeiko through these regional tours. There should be a fair amount of opportunity for Kisenosato to mix it up with other top level rikishi on a routine basis...

True. I didn't think of this at all. Definitely. Indeed.

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If Naruto oyakata thinks a rikishi can do well by locking himself up and watching videos, then imagine how well that same rikishi could do when he watched videos AND went for degeiko!

It don't make no sense.

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I've been thinking lately of whether part of the method to Naruto oyakata's madness is keeping his deshi as much as possible away from gangster influence. It's like kids walking home from school...when the deshi are away at degeiko, they are most likely to be approached by a stranger offering candy and a ride while walking home from school. (Being unsure...)

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