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Are there any Black Rikishi?

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Just like I'd be curious if there was Jewish rikishi. And if you told me their grandpa was a practicing Jew, I'd say that's nice to know, but are there any "real" Jewish rikishi.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be more important that his mother was Jewish rather than his grandfather? I get your point, however.

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I presume OP is 大和言葉, because to me it reads with neither O nor P.

OP was asking for "just black". (see below).

OP stands for "Original Poster", the person who started the thread. Perfectly understandable not to know that.

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Thankyou nomadwolf for claryfiying.

I'm not implying " racial purity", i'm was just inquiring about a certain demographic. What is wrong with that?

If I ask, " how many half-japanese rikishi are there"? how is this about "racial purity" or even racist??

What is wrong with some people not counting Sentoryu as Black? Some cultures and nationalities view race differently than others. I"m Latin American, race is view different from the United States or Europe, or other regions of the world.

in my view, somebody that is of Sentoryu's background or Barak Obama's background, is not Black , Sentoryu has a mother from a differnece race from across the ocean.( yes, there are Japanese Americans for generations in the U.S, but they originated from Asia nevertheless). I wouldn't consider as Black. There is nothing wrong about that.

some here are saying " well, if he were in Jim Crow, he would have to ride in the back of the bus, or in South Africa, or on planet Mars," what that has to do with anything?? (In a state of confusion...)

So I don't see what is all this bruhaha about.

What is wrong with saying " round-eye" person? wjho says that the opposited of round-eye is " slit eye"?? geez.

What would be alternative for round-eye gaikokujin by the " ultra pc crowd" out there? " non-east asian eyes"?? that can't be because there are people in the Americas, like Eskimos and others,and even in Africa, that have similar eyes as East Asians.

Let see what good " pc term" will come out.

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"Round-eyed" and "big-nosed" are commonly tacked onto other insults of "white" westerners in East Asia. Most people with common sense should realise they are crass generalisations and avoid their use.

If even a person is genuinely unaware of their negative connotation they should have the cop-on, or at least the good grace, not to say they see nothing wrong with them after being enlightened on the matter.

Nomadwolf, your location is put as "Taiwan" and yet you think eye-shape generalisations are only racist in one direction???

Your own definition of the opposite of "round-eye" as "normal" beggars belief.

It's the opposite of "normal" when you are talking about rikishi.

Truthfully, although I don't know enough Chinese to understand much of anything, I don't hear "round eye" used much, derogatory or not. And my daughter gets nothing but compliments for how large her eyes are.

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I did consulting work in Toronto for a Chinese fellow. He'd forever delight in taking me to Chinese restaurants, ordering weird stuff to see if I'd eat it and saying I was the only round-eye in the place. It got tired after a while. At any rate ... I agree that we've been feeding a troll here ...

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I mean, Sentoryu might be counted as " Black" by some people, but what I mean is just somebody that is not half anything.

Which always makes me wonder why Obama's mixed parentage never had the press questioning whether he was truly "black" (not that it makes any difference to me, still love the guy).

Sentoryu certainly doesn't look as obviously African descent as Obama does. I don't remember seeing or hearing of a black rikishi. I am sure some have tried, but never had any real success or made headlines.

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Which always makes me wonder why Obama's mixed parentage never had the press questioning whether he was truly "black" (not that it makes any difference to me, still love the guy).

Oh, they did, but it didn't last particularly long...

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I don't remember seeing or hearing of a black rikishi. I am sure some have tried, but never had any real success or made headlines.

No, there haven't been any.

Orion

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They let Kokkai keep his Bluto beard, so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a rikishi with a huge dandelion 'fro some time in the future.

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Speaking of "halfs", Daishoyu (Marvin Lee Sano Junior) briefly made it to makushita before retiring.

True, but AFAIK he's a Japanese citizen and therefore is not on the Kyokai's list of foreigners. I'll check tomorrow when I have a little more time.)

Orion

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Marvin entered using his mother's nationality - Japanese. His Dad, nice bloke of the same name is American - radio DJ in Tokyo. Marvin speaks no English.

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Speaking of "halfs", Daishoyu (Marvin Lee Sano Junior) briefly made it to makushita before retiring.

True, but AFAIK he's a Japanese citizen and therefore is not on the Kyokai's list of foreigners. I'll check tomorrow when I have a little more time.)

Orion

I'm going to assume that the author of the "Gaijin Guide" decided to include young Marvin as he has some American heritage, and thus may be of interest to some of our members who enjoy following those rikishi who may not be the archetypical sumotori. As usual, I may be dead wrong. ;-)

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Speaking of "halfs", Daishoyu (Marvin Lee Sano Junior) briefly made it to makushita before retiring.

True, but AFAIK he's a Japanese citizen and therefore is not on the Kyokai's list of foreigners. I'll check tomorrow when I have a little more time.)

Orion

I'm going to assume that the author of the "Gaijin Guide" decided to include young Marvin as he has some American heritage, and thus may be of interest to some of our members who enjoy following those rikishi who may not be the archetypical sumotori. As usual, I may be dead wrong. ;-)

You are quite correct. Marvin was discussed in the "Gaijin Guide" because many in this forum are interested in foreigners, whether they are "half," "quarter" or "closet." Their official status vis-a-vis the Kyokai is totally irrelevant as far as the thread is concerned. The fact that Marvin's giant Afro needed to be coiffed into a mage warranted mention. Gaijin Guide

Also included was Masunoyama of Chiganoura Beya. This is what I wrote at the time. "Now, you may ask why we are talking about this fellow in a gaijin thread. Well, it turns out his mother is a Filipina lady named Maria Christina. Thus, he has just as much foreign blood as Marvin Jr. who gets a lot of attention here."

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Also included was Masunoyama of Chiganoura Beya. This is what I wrote at the time. "Now, you may ask why we are talking about this fellow in a gaijin thread. Well, it turns out his mother is a Filipina lady named Maria Christina. Thus, he has just as much foreign blood as Marvin Jr. who gets a lot of attention here."

Thanks! I missed that one entirely.

Orion

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good day all,

i don't mean to take this topic off track.... just looking for a quick answer....

does anyone know the ethnic background of orora? russian citizen, yes. ethnic russian, i doubt it.

thanks.

-shimodahito

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Japanese wikipedia (if I may deign to consult Wikipedia) lists his birthplace as Russia (of course) and his name as Анатолий Валерьевич Михаханов (アナトリイ・ヴァレリエヴィチ・ミハハノフ), if you don't read Katakana it reads something like Anatolie Mihahanov. None of this of course says anything about his ethnic origins. You would think he was mixed, but......

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The sumo db also lists his name as Anatoliy Valeryevich MIHAHANOV, and also notes his Shusshin as Russia, Buryat Republic. A quick wiki search notes that it used to be the "Buryat-Mongolian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic" (back in the '20s), but also says that the vast majority of non-Russians (by ethnicity) are "Buryat". That's not particularly helpful, but I'm guessing it's quite close to Mongolian.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about Siberia can expound on that.

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