Harumafuji Shirt

[Treblemaker 254]

There's a Benny Loh (of SFM fame) series of Harumafuji here.

That is about the worst design I've ever seen based on a real person. The face is stock clip-art material, and from a distance, it looks like some poor guy in an overcoat running down some alleyway looking desperately for a bathroom. If you missed the "Harumafuji" name running down the side, you'd never guess who it was.

Are you sure you have good eyesights? Aren't you blind? Click on the link you (provided) and you will find in the sign in the image that says "to the grand sumo stadium". I can't find any "bathroom" signs

Maybe it was done in jest and deliberately stylized, and it might appeal to lots of people, but if I was buying a Harumafuji shirt, shorts, whatever other many items with that image, I'd kinda want it to maybe LOOK like him, ya know? And maybe a little more serious?

You can buy one with the actual picture of Harumafuji printed on. You have to do better than this-provide cartoon images that LOOK like him either from other cartoonists or from yourself then let's make comparison from there.

Yet another "make $$" scheme.

Someone posted a link and you said the shopkeeer is out to make your money, but I can tell you no one is pointing a gun to you to force you to buy, not me anyway. There are very satisfied customers.

http://shop.cafepress.com/design/31901518

Benny, I'm an graphic artist and symphonic musician, and I've published both music and works of art, some of them in jest, some serious.

I invite you to come to Canada. Give me a call when you get here, and I'll be happy to show you some artwork/caricature that REALLY compliments and captures the features of the subject, having a bit of fun, yet keeping the features and characteristics of the person intact.

No amount of arguing or commenting on your part can change the fact that the Harumafuji design is just NOT him at all.

If you have to rely on an ENGLISH sign "this way to sumo" and a vertical "Harumafuji" call-out in order to identify a rikishi (who, in all respects, would be one of the MOST recognizable people in Japan,) then it just doesn't make the grade. It is what it is. And what it is, it ain't.

[bennyloh 0]

Benny, I'm an graphic artist and symphonic musician, and I've published both music and works of art, some of them in jest, some serious.

No, I am not into graphics so I can wish you well in this area You should have no problem producing a cartoon on Harumafuji, I look forward to seeing it and your ideas, please...

I invite you to come to Canada. Give me a call when you get here, and I'll be happy to show you some artwork/caricature that REALLY compliments and captures the features of the subject, having a bit of fun, yet keeping the features and characteristics of the person intact.

Show me one with a specfic image and topic, then you will be surprised at what we can learn about at your piece

No amount of arguing or commenting on your part can change the fact that the Harumafuji design is just NOT him at all.

Cartoonist draw it differently . Harumafuji has big eyes, big nose, big mouth, and to emphasize on any alone of this may not bring out but distort it beyond recognition. If a cartoonist draws a rikishi emphasizing a pimple face and a written name somewhere, he is not wrong. A cartoonist may draw a horse and named it Harumafuji-the idea goes through. These are only two examples. Generally cartoonist do it differently.

I have done Harumafuji in my last sumofanmag, slightly different though from this one you are talking about. This one is on Harumafuji :

1)assuming a new name

2)promoted to Ozeki

3)thick eyebrow

4)not really hunch, head slightly shrunk into the shoulder

5)Harumafuji signboard (certainly it can be in use for a cartoonist!)

Over to you , since you are in this field draw a cartoon on Harumafuji giving your ideas on what you want others to know of through this piece of work. As a cartoonist we are not wrong in getting the idea across but I do criticize fellow cartoonist on shoddy rushed artwork.

Another thing about buying online zoom in on the largest (of the image)WYSIWYG here you can

see the quality of the work (This is for the one with the cow avatar , this is how you learn about producing good images)

If you have to rely on an ENGLISH sign "this way to sumo" and a vertical "Harumafuji" call-out in order to identify a rikishi (who, in all respects, would be one of the MOST recognizable people in Japan,) then it just doesn't make the grade. It is what it is. And what it is, it ain't.

This was in reply to non-existent "bathroom" sign you mentioned. It should be easy for you to have one cartoon here then since it is the MOST recognizable people in Japan. Love to hear from you on this

By the way I learn about cartoons from ANY cartoons that I see. If you care to check locally with the cartoonists there, they will tell you the they do the same. Due respects to any cartoonist reading here.

[Treblemaker 254]

Benny,

Ok, NOW I understand where you're coming from. Graphic artists and cartoonists are different animals, and I was approaching this from a graphic artist's approach. Thanks for clearing this up.

MY approach to this (and when I have time, I'll put something together and post it here) would have been less cartoonish and more caricature - keeping facial qualities and yanking everything else slightly out of context... but keeping the whole "sumo/ozeki/horse/henka" etc as a part of the picture.

So, while I hold onto my right as an observer and still think he looks like some poor unrecognizable guy in an alley looking for a bathroom, I understand your methods a little better.

My invitation to Canada still stands. If you're ever coming, email me.

[bennyloh 0]

Benny,

So, while I hold onto my right as an observer and still think he looks like some poor unrecognizable guy in an alley looking for a bathroom, I understand your methods a little better.

<b>You have narrowed your choice to buying tshirts with actual photo of AMA or an artists work on AMA, like I explained on posts 27 ,( big eyes+big nose+big mouth stuffs) even if you draw an oversized thick eyebrows on the face , it is not going to work; some faces are just "non-cartoonable". </b>

[bennyloh 0]

I rebutted that being a top poster is spending too much time in irrelevant , non practical statistics. His statistics are unlike useful statistics elsewhere. I further added that no one is bothered with this long lengthy, time-consuming statistics.

(Order, order!) Hey hey, there is some group of readers in the forum who actually find the statistics and the commentaries (not only of Asashosakari, but also of other forum members) quite interesting and useful. So speak only for yourself.

Yes sir, boss,

I didn't get your permission to relate a story I had with Asashosakari the man with 8429 posts,

earlier on.

Before going into it, different places have different jokes, sayings and comments which may not be understood by all. A common comment one in my village is "Outsiders ...go take a walk...go take a pull at the ciggy...go take a stroll".

I was commenting on my past arguments with Asashosakari 8429 posts.

He was pissed of with my work so he spoke for himself and blasted me.

I was displeased with his work so I spoke for myself and hammered him

I checked in my earlier posts there were no third party that I mentioned about and I couldn't have mentioned you.

Yes sir boss , I spoke only for myself

Meanwhile, Outsider go smoke some cigars

[Asashosakari 16,980]

Hilariously enough, I couldn't even remember - unlike bennyloh obviously - what our original disagreement was. All I know is, getting "pissed off" about mediocre cartooning doesn't really sound like me. Everybody who's read my 8,400-whatever posts (soon to be 10,000 and dai-yokozuna status at which point nobody will be allowed to disagree with me) probably knows that what pisses me off tends to be somewhat less trivial in nature.

Anyway, the only thing where I've ever addressed bennyloh directly was apparently this thread, which I think was also the one that prompted his exit. Re-reading it was good for a laugh, and if somebody can find where I was "pissed off", I'd appreciate it. (In a state of confusion...)

[bennyloh 0]

Hilariously enough, I couldn't even remember - unlike bennyloh obviously - what our original disagreement was. All I know is, getting "pissed off" about mediocre cartooning doesn't really sound like me. Everybody who's read my 8,400-whatever posts (soon to be 10,000 and dai-yokozuna status at which point nobody will be allowed to disagree with me) probably knows that what pisses me off tends to be somewhat less trivial in nature.

Anyway, the only thing where I've ever addressed bennyloh directly was apparently this thread, which I think was also the one that prompted his exit. Re-reading it was good for a laugh, and if somebody can find where I was "pissed off", I'd appreciate it. (In a state of confusion...)

You were on two things, my work and my bad English (even until now) . I should know because I didn't walk off immediately, I gave it a month (of silence) before I walked off. Yes I was and I am pissed off with you. Your attempts in this thread to discredit shows your worst. I am wary of characters of this sort. It's sort of "low class" attempt to paint someone bad and trying to glorify oneself (with 8429 top posts it will be convincing for others, right?)

About your English, it is as bad. Let me use a local phrase here as an example: If we are "talking roundabout"on these two things over the years when will it end? The universally accepted English phrase is "chasing one's own tail"

Hiss-fits and (what) tasmanian devil, I think 8/10 of the world probably have not seen that animal. Your English teacher marking your paper probably will give you about 16% for using such non-universal phrases I was thinkng you would get 18%. Seriously there is no difference for me to quote 8429 all the time and your attempts to taunt me( on these two) before and now. You are pissed off otherwise you weren't on the two all the time previously. Still a good topic for your statistic.

But the real issue is on the first one about discrediting someone and telling lies. This you must address, Asashosakari with top 8429 posts. sir, and not bringing up other things to confuse.

[Gusoyama 64]

[bennyloh 0]

Benny Loh (of SFM fame)

Probably still more famous for the hissy-fit he threw on this forum when people insinuated that he's stretching the term "likeness" beyond commonly accepted limits with his caricatures... It would appear from this thread that people not previously exposed to his artwork still generally get that same impression. (Bearded disguise...)

Hilariously enough, I couldn't even remember - unlike bennyloh obviously - what our original disagreement was. All I know is, getting "pissed off" about mediocre cartooning doesn't really sound like me. Everybody who's read my 8,400-whatever posts (soon to be 10,000 and dai-yokozuna status at which point nobody will be allowed to disagree with me) probably knows that what pisses me off tends to be somewhat less trivial in nature.

Anyway, the only thing where I've ever addressed bennyloh directly was apparently this thread, which I think was also the one that prompted his exit. Re-reading it was good for a laugh, and if somebody can find where I was "pissed off", I'd appreciate it. :-)

Growing up in a pig farming village ( although my family are not pig farmers), I have witnessed many times the "swine fever" is in the village. Poor farmers are wipe off everything they have. The pigs were darting off in all directions and slamming into walls or anything that obstructs. They would then drop dead! Lump this "hissy-fit" "hypersensitive Tasmanian Devil" and "swine fever" in the same group.

Besides two other earlier reasons, I believe" Sumofanmagazine Fame Benny Loh" as quoted by someone here also pisses you off and makes you careless . You nearly contract Swine Fever.

I won't be surprised if tomorrow some members here refer me as "Sumoforum Fame Benny Loh" and you had contracted it! Asashosakari with 8429 posts going to be 10000 and the title of "dai yokozuna"

Such a pity when I see Asashsakari 8429 digging up past threads for presumably "hilarious" stuff when everything is in this thread!. I suspect 8429 must be a madman. I can find "mediocre" and "your pleading / your request to me not to delete my cartoons here! " If it is mediocre why place value and wanting to have it retain here? You are insane and this is a confirmation Asashsakari top 8429 posts reaching 10000 on the way to dai yokozuna

[Doitsuyama 1,156]

Wow, this must have been important as it's all in a bold font. You'd really drive your point home if you'd write all in capital letters. Then there also is the option of underlining the complete text and formatting in a really big font size - that would work wonders, I'm sure.

[bennyloh 0]

Wow, this must have been important as it's all in a bold font. You'd really drive your point home if you'd write all in capital letters. Then there also is the option of underlining the complete text and formatting in a really big font size - that would work wonders, I'm sure.

SORRY! It's for easier reading, sort of the normal question and answer fomat. I'll do it in italics next.

[Jonosuke 28]

Hey Bennyloh, you are waging a fruitless battle. You can't win. You are facing superior forces.

Rather than degenerate further into an abyss, I recommend you try another approach. You've been an Ozumo observer for long, so what you want to do is to turn your bout into your style and form. You consider yourself to be an artist regardless of what others say or think, so try that avenue.

Hemingway wrote "The old man and the sea" rather than keep battling his critics, in turn reinforcing his position and earning more fame, Carly Simon wrote one of the biggest hits around, "You are So Vain" rather than nagging her partner for neglecting her. And our friend, Yaku Mitsuru, well, he keeps making his living by drawing Asashoryu in his cartoon though he has not yet drawn him on toilet paper rolls. So you do the same instead of keep banging your precious fingers on the keyboard here. Leave this be now.

But I will give you an idea. You draw "Sumo Forum Fame Asashosakari with 10,000 or whatever posts, a Dai-yokozuna egg" picture. Then you print it on a t-shirt and sell it. If you keep it around for $15, I'd buy it for sure, If you put your website name Cafepress or whatever, you will get free publicity. And hopefully it will lead to more extra revenue for you.

In fact I will even go to the Kokugikan proudly wearing the t-shirt, not only for yourself but also for Asashosakari as because he is one of my heroes and one of my most respected guys in here too.

[Asashosakari 16,980]

But I will give you an idea. You draw "Sumo Forum Fame Asashosakari with 10,000 or whatever posts, a Dai-yokozuna egg" picture. Then you print it on a t-shirt and sell it. If you keep it around for $15, I'd buy it for sure, If you put your website name Cafepress or whatever, you will get free publicity. And hopefully it will lead to more extra revenue for you.

In fact I will even go to the Kokugikan proudly wearing the t-shirt, not only for yourself but also for Asashosakari as because he is one of my heroes and one of my most respected guys in here too.

Excellent idea. I've changed my avatar now to facilitate that.

[bennyloh 0]

Hey Bennyloh, you are waging a fruitless battle. You can't win. You are facing superior forces.

Hi Jon, Ha ha. Never mind about the result, no superior forces gonna frighten me. Never! I am different, I throw everything in: kicks, punches, elbows, headbutts and my d---head too!

Rather than degenerate further into an abyss, I recommend you try another approach. You've been an Ozumo observer for long, so what you want to do is to turn your bout into your style and form. You consider yourself to be an artist regardless of what others say or think, so try that avenue.

Marketing is my speciality, I should have no problem with what I want. There is never a question of slipping into abyss. I identify, anticipate ... No not here, not worthwhile. Much you don't know about my work, Jon!

Hemingway wrote "The old man and the sea" rather than keep battling his critics, in turn reinforcing his position and earning more fame, Carly Simon wrote one of the biggest hits around, "You are So Vain" rather than nagging her partner for neglecting her. And our friend, Yaku Mitsuru, well, he keeps making his living by drawing Asashoryu in his cartoon though he has not yet drawn him on toilet paper rolls. So you do the same instead of keep banging your precious fingers on the keyboard here. Leave this be now.

That's very inspiring but no I am not going to take the same course as them. I have my own inspirations and I do it to satisfy myself. I don't compete with anyone not even with 8429 posts at sumoforum

But I will give you an idea. You draw "Sumo Forum Fame Asashosakari with 10,000 or whatever posts, a Dai-yokozuna egg" picture. Then you print it on a t-shirt and sell it. If you keep it around for $15, I'd buy it for sure, If you put your website name Cafepress or whatever, you will get free publicity. And hopefully it will lead to more extra revenue for you.

As explained, no promotions, I have numerous sites on these . No, not here.

In fact I will even go to the Kokugikan proudly wearing the t-shirt, not only for yourself but also for Asashosakari as because he is one of my heroes and one of my most respected guys in here too.

I hate doing too much for some, I will do it on sumoforum for 8429 and not anywhere else. Lucky chap to have met charitable me. I have tremendous marketing skills!

In fact I will even go to the Kokugikan proudly wearing the t-shirt, not only for yourself..

I like this Jon. Maybe I will do another one like "Bennyloh of Sumoforum Fame" for you.Ha Ha

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Likeness in sumo caricatures? Something like this?