KaioU preparations- March 2009

[Kintamayama 44,778]

KaioU has been suffering from appendicitis lately. He was in pain since day 12 of Hatsu . "After senshuraku it was so painful I couldn't sleep. I didn't eat anything for like four days..", he explained. He went to the hospital on January 27th and received some IV treatment. He still isn't feeling too hot, and there are no plans for serious keiko in the near future. "The fact that I can't do any keiko in February is what really hurts..", he said. He did, however, participate in today's one day tournament but lost his first match and was eliminated.

Edited February 8, 2009 by Kintamayama

[Fay 1,677]

see also the Tomozuna thread for this: Tomozuna

[Kotoviki 16]

I was really surprised he took part in today's tournament but the fans were happy to see him.

He did not look good! I was really worried about him.

[_the_mind_ 0]

why doesnt he just have it removed? or why arent the doctors wanting to do it?

[Kotoviki 16]

I had a talk Monday with Kaio after asageiko at Azumazeki Monday. Tomozuna were all there for degeiko. I was a bit surprised to see him show up but all he did was some stretching and then he was just doing coaching. A lot of coaching to both Tomozuna & Azumazeki youngsters!

After wards sat down to talk with him, he said he was fine on the appendicitis issue. He told me not to worry :) I hope he truly is ok!

[Gusoyama 99]

To have appendicitis and not have it out is ludicrous. I had my appendix out in a VERY invasive procedure(8 in scar) and I was up and moving into a new apartment in 2 weeks. Was I in pain? sure, but that was at the 2 week mark. 1 month after the procedure, it was like nothing happened. If he had gotten it done the day after senshuraku, he'd be healed WAY before Haru. Foolish foolish foolish.

[Chisaiyama 11]

Indeed and nowadays for many, maybe most, people they can use the "band aid" style orthoscopic surgery which requires far less recovery time than what Gusoyama had. My grandson was ready to run laps after only about a week. He was in a lot of pain for the first 2-3 days and for someone Kaoi's size I'm sure it might take a couple weeks to get going again but really not having it out is truly beyond belief. Especially if he is truly serious about trying to overtake Kitanoumi and/or Chiyonofuji on the all time Makuuchi wins list.

Slightly off topic but is there a differentiation in when one should use Makuuchi as opposed to Makunouchi?

[Orion 431]

Slightly off topic but is there a differentiation in when one should use Makuuchi as opposed to Makunouchi?

With "no" it is more formal, but both are commonly used.

Orion

[Chisaiyama 11]

Slightly off topic but is there a differentiation in when one should use Makuuchi as opposed to Makunouchi?

With "no" it is more formal, but both are commonly used.

Orion

Thanks, I figured it was probably something like that but wasn't sure.

[Kuroyama 715]

Though not as much of a one as Wakanosato it seems.

[Sasanishiki 57]

C'mon you know as well as I do that Kaio is happiest when he is whinging.

Wow, and I didn't even see Mark's mouth move!! (Showing respect...)

[Kotoviki 16]

I am not a doctor so this may sound stupid!

But could it be not that he wouldn't feel fit by the basho after having surgery but that there would be some risk in the stitches or the cut getting infected or the stitches torn?

That may sound like a stupid question... I have only my own surgery to compare to from back 30 years ago or something.

I didn't specifically ask him why he didn't have his appendix removed or anything.

[_the_mind_ 0]

I am not a doctor so this may sound stupid!

But could it be not that he wouldn't feel fit by the basho after having surgery but that there would be some risk in the stitches or the cut getting infected or the stitches torn?

That may sound like a stupid question... I have only my own surgery to compare to from back 30 years ago or something.

I didn't specifically ask him why he didn't have his appendix removed or anything.

people generally die from a ruptured appendix. it isnt a minor vanity surgery, its generally done out of very serious medical need when it is enflamed ....so if im Kaio and the options are fight with stitches that you might rip open, or die of a ruptured appendix, i think i would take my chances with the stitches.

[hendesu 0]

I checked the news and found this one:

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/martialart...12115010-n1.htm

It is written that because of a sharp pain in the abdomen Kaio was hospitalized with appendicitis suspicion. :-P

虫垂炎の疑い

I don't know if there was any report in which is written that appendicitis was actually confirmed. In that case for sure he would have had an operation.

[Asojima 2,873]

I checked the news and found this one:

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/martialart...12115010-n1.htm

It is written that because of a sharp pain in the abdomen Kaio was hospitalized with appendicitis suspicion. :-P

虫垂炎の疑い

I don't know if there was any report in which is written that appendicitis was actually confirmed. In that case for sure he would have had an operation.

That report is about 3 weeks old. See above for more up to date info.

[hendesu 0]

I checked the news and found this one:

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/martialart...12115010-n1.htm

It is written that because of a sharp pain in the abdomen Kaio was hospitalized with appendicitis suspicion. :-P

虫垂炎の疑い

I don't know if there was any report in which is written that appendicitis was actually confirmed. In that case for sure he would have had an operation.

That report is about 3 weeks old. See above for more up to date info.

Oops, sorry, I missed that link. ;-)

[Kotoviki 16]

I am not a doctor so this may sound stupid!

But could it be not that he wouldn't feel fit by the basho after having surgery but that there would be some risk in the stitches or the cut getting infected or the stitches torn?

That may sound like a stupid question... I have only my own surgery to compare to from back 30 years ago or something.

I didn't specifically ask him why he didn't have his appendix removed or anything.

people generally die from a ruptured appendix. it isnt a minor vanity surgery, its generally done out of very serious medical need when it is enflamed ....so if im Kaio and the options are fight with stitches that you might rip open, or die of a ruptured appendix, i think i would take my chances with the stitches.

Yes, I think I would too take the chances with the stitches.

Maybe I should have asked him more questions. I have no experience with appenix because in America if you have any type of surgery and they are already inside they generally take it out anyway. Mine was taken out when they did surgery on me in JHS. The doctor told my mom I don't need it anyway and take it out for precaution... that and he tacked on more fee for removing it!

In any case... we can only speculate what is going on with why Kaio just took medicine or whatever!

He looked fine, in fact I'm posting the pictures from the day we talked now on facebook from February 9th.

Who knows?!

[Ashikawazu 43]

Seems a big risk to take... didn't Tamanoumi do pretty much the same thing; putting off the appendectomy till after the next basho?

Hmm well, I wish the best for Kaio. I hope his doctors are doing whats best.

[Kuroyama 715]

Maybe I should have asked him more questions. I have no experience with appenix because in America if you have any type of surgery and they are already inside they generally take it out anyway. Mine was taken out when they did surgery on me in JHS. The doctor told my mom I don't need it anyway and take it out for precaution... that and he tacked on more fee for removing it!

They don't do this anymore. Since most surgery like that is done with laparoscopy, as with me when I got my gallbladder out, they're not so free to poke around at random spots in your abdomen. But beyond that, a surgeon will no longer do anything for which you have not given consent beforehand unless an emergency is presenting itself.

The appendix has furthermore gone from "this is a useless organ" to "we're not entirely sure what this organ is doing", and can be used in certain types of reconstructive surgery. So it's always left in place now unless diseased.

[kaiguma 0]

I imagine an average sekitori belly could take much longer than 2 weeks to heal properly considering the endless layers of strong fat and muscle. Then imagine a belly like Kaio's. If there were a viable medicinal alternative, I can see why he'd take it. Healing would probably push back his keiko right to the door of Haru basho - never good for the old man.

[Mockingbird 0]

Kuroyama wrote;

"The appendix has furthermore gone from "this is a useless organ" to "we're not entirely sure what this organ is doing", and can be used in certain types of reconstructive surgery. So it's always left in place now unless diseased."

A positve function of the appendix is not yet proven by large-scale, multicentered clinical studies. However, based on scientific results, there seems to be evidence that it has a certain role in the regulation of the immune system, like tonsils.

A complete other point of view:

At least 25 % of the world population experience appendicitis (and most of them died if they had lived in the 19th century or earlier). Following the principles of evolution:

After, let

Edited March 1, 2009 by Mockingbird

[Kotoviki 16]

Hmmm thankfully I've never needed mine!

I haven't had any surgery since the "olden days" of cutting you open! LOL

Now I start to laugh at how old I feel thinking about the "old" type surgeries! That particular surgery I'll never forget because the doctor promised me a bikini scar and when I woke up it went from my bellybutton all they way down about 6.5" and I said "what the heck bikini covers this?"

At 13 or whatever I was, that was horrifying!

Anyway... hoping for the best for Kaio whatever his situation is with the appendicitis or lack of or surgery or not... hopefully he and his doctors know what is best for him!

[Kotoviki 16]

Hey that was good Nishi!