Ganzohnesushi 439 Posted November 27, 2008 Does anyone know when we can expect the Kyushu'08 Banzuke for Norizo Cup? Perhaps somebody in this forum is in contact with Norizo. Somehow it is annoying that the Banzuke is published always late. (Neener, neener...) For a couple of games Hatsu'09 Banzuke is already available... If it were not for potential Superbanzuke points I'd quit that game. Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,595 Posted November 27, 2008 (edited) Does anyone know when we can expect the Kyushu'08 Banzuke for Norizo Cup? Perhaps somebody in this forum is in contact with Norizo. Somehow it is annoying that the Banzuke is published always late. (Neener, neener...) For a couple of games Hatsu'09 Banzuke is already available... I have PM'ed Norizo, but he wasn't logged in since then. If it were not for potential Superbanzuke points I'd quit that game. Actually I am toying with the thought of eliminating Norizo Cup from the Superbanzuke, basically for the reasons that you've stated. A banzuke should be available before a basho starts. I have pointed out several times that it annoys me if a banzuke is posted during a basho. Particularly, if the banzuke making isn't as "objective" as the banzuke for UDH or Hoshitori. Waiting for a banzuke to be posted after a basho is over is really annoying... Edited November 27, 2008 by Randomitsuki Edited towards a friendlier wording Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Susanoo 342 Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) I post on his forum to get the answer from Norizo for your doubt. I don't think that only an appeal by Japanese is the method which solves the problem. Though he knows a circumstance, I imagine not having time for him to cope with that. If he does some remarks, I will post here about that promptly. Sorry to say, the help which is possible for me is only this now. Edited November 28, 2008 by Susanoo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norizo 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Sorry too late. Please wait until this week end. m(_ _)m Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norizo 0 Posted December 7, 2008 NC banzuke in Kyushu 2008 is here. Sorry too late. http://norizo.sumogames.jp/200811/ban_en.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 439 Posted December 8, 2008 Banzuke in Norizo Cup is really the weirdest thing among all games. I started at J5w in Hatsu'08 and with 4 kachi koshi and only one 7-8 I made it to J7w on Kyushu'08 Banzuke. Hatsu 08 J5w 9-6 Haru 08 J4e 8-7 Natsu 08 J4e 7-8 Nagoya 08 J5e 8-7 Aki 08 J6e 8-7 Kyushu 08 J7w 8-7 Hatsu 09 ? I'm asking myself how many more KK do I need to be demoted back to Makushita finally.... (Shaking head...) Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,157 Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) Banzuke in Norizo Cup is really the weirdest thing among all games. I started at J5w in Hatsu'08 and with 4 kachi koshi and only one 7-8 I made it to J7w on Kyushu'08 Banzuke. Hatsu 08 J5w 9-6 Haru 08 J4e 8-7 Natsu 08 J4e 7-8 Nagoya 08 J5e 8-7 Aki 08 J6e 8-7 Kyushu 08 J7w 8-7 Hatsu 09 ? I'm asking myself how many more KK do I need to be demoted back to Makushita finally.... (In a state of confusion...) Ganzohnesushi Just to fuel your fire, Tohru overtook you with the same 8-7, moving up from J8e to J6e. But hey, we can be happy that there is a banzuke at all. (On the banzuke...) Actually, I usually don't look at these things much. Just for proof, only now I wondered why I am in juryo. After some research I detected a drop from M7 to J9 due to an absence in Nagoya. Only I never miss any game, at least among SB games. No confirmation mails (IIRC) doesn't make this game any better. Just face it, while Norizo Cup has the best questions among games in this format, it's arguably one of the poorest run games with mysteriously missing entries and a tad late banzuke. Oh, and quite weird banzuke movements as you just witnessed. Everything combined, I totally am in favor of dropping this game from the Super Banzuke. Edited December 8, 2008 by Doitsuyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 439 Posted December 8, 2008 Just to fuel your fire, Tohru overtook you with the same 8-7, moving up from J8e to J6e... No need to do that... I'm aware that Norizo makes a differentiation between 8-7 and 8-7. Tohru's 500 points were rewarded, my 470 were just not enough... Nevertheless it makes me thought-provoking that in a game with approx. 100 participants a repeatedly 8-7 (i.e. finishing better than 50%) in Juryo is not enough to move forward at all. It may happen every here and then that there is a jam in a certain Banzuke aerea and promotions will be rather small and demotions bigger than expected to have some movement at all. But so many times in a row? Unbelievable! Learning: 8-7 is kachi koshi but it is still crap. In Norizo Cup you have to finish double digit. I'll try my best in 2009 (In a state of confusion...) Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 17,288 Posted December 8, 2008 Actually, I usually don't look at these things much. Just for proof, only now I wondered why I am in juryo. After some research I detected a drop from M7 to J9 due to an absence in Nagoya. Only I never miss any game, at least among SB games. No confirmation mails (IIRC) doesn't make this game any better. The entry lists are auto-updating, though. Has anybody ever lost an entry even after they were definitely listed as submitted? Maybe people just forget that they need to click another button to re-confirm their entry sometimes...? Learning: 8-7 is kachi koshi but it is still crap. In Norizo Cup you have to finish double digit. Just stop scoring bottom-quarter 8-7's all the time. (In a state of confusion...) Haru 17th of 17, Nagoya 14th of 15, Aki 16th of 16. (And below-average for the division, each time the 15th-best juryo player of 27 active.) I don't know how exactly Norizo assigns the quarter-wins, but I guess that was 7.5-7.5 every time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 439 Posted December 8, 2008 Actually, I usually don't look at these things much. Just for proof, only now I wondered why I am in juryo. After some research I detected a drop from M7 to J9 due to an absence in Nagoya. Only I never miss any game, at least among SB games. No confirmation mails (IIRC) doesn't make this game any better.Just face it, while Norizo Cup has the best questions among games in this format, it's arguably one of the poorest run games with mysteriously missing entries and a tad late banzuke. Oh, and quite weird banzuke movements as you just witnessed. Everything combined, I totally am in favor of dropping this game from the Super Banzuke. Well, in Aki there was one more mystery. Some parts of my entry got lost (same happened to three other players). After the basho started I saw a message on Norizo's start page, but who is visiting this page again and again after he has made his entry? Why didn't Norizo simply sent an e-mail to the four of us? Why then is the e-mail-address asked in the registration process if not for such a case? I can only second Doitsuyama's opinion that this is the poorest run game among all. In case Randomitsuki decides to skip this from SB I would not shed a single tear. Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 439 Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) Has anybody ever lost an entry even after they were definitely listed as submitted? Yes, it happened to me (and three other players) in Aki Basho 2008. I'm fully aware of the re-confirmation. I check this every time and my complete entry was in and fully submitted. But later there was only one Rikishi mentioned in the section "three most active Rikishi" and "three non-active Rikishi" each. This has cost me several points. I had sent an e-mail to Norizo but no response... (In a state of confusion...) Ganzohnesushi Edited December 8, 2008 by Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 17,288 Posted December 8, 2008 Well, in Aki there was one more mystery. Some parts of my entry got lost (same happened to three other players). After the basho started I saw a message on Norizo's start page, but who is visiting this page again and again after he has made his entry? Why didn't Norizo simply sent an e-mail to the four of us? Why then is the e-mail-address asked in the registration process if not for such a case? Okay, that is a good question. On another note...I just noticed that I had made a banzuke guess for the NC Kyushu banzuke. I also had you at J7w. (In a state of confusion...) Although I had some other players switched, which must mean I'm still getting the quarter-point assignments wrong... It would be nice if these were made explicit in the results. I can only second Doitsuyama's opinion that this is the poorest run game among all. In case Randomitsuki decides to skip this from SB I would not shed a single tear. Well, I would, for admittedly entirely selfish reasons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,157 Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) Actually, I usually don't look at these things much. Just for proof, only now I wondered why I am in juryo. After some research I detected a drop from M7 to J9 due to an absence in Nagoya. Only I never miss any game, at least among SB games. No confirmation mails (IIRC) doesn't make this game any better. The entry lists are auto-updating, though. Has anybody ever lost an entry even after they were definitely listed as submitted? Maybe people just forget that they need to click another button to re-confirm their entry sometimes...? Maybe, but not me. My Japanese is good enough to read those instructions pretty fluently. Besides I'm aware of the entry routine by now. Oh, and I certainly don't check auto-updating entry lists. I don't care even enough often times to check the standings or banzuke as I obviously never did during or after Nagoya. It also isn't important to me if I am ranked in juryo or makuuchi right now. I just wanted to make the point that the game administration has done enough to get itself removed from the Super Banzuke if that is under consideration. Edited December 8, 2008 by Doitsuyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norizo 0 Posted December 8, 2008 Banzuke in Norizo Cup is really the weirdest thing among all games. I started at J5w in Hatsu'08 and with 4 kachi koshi and only one 7-8 I made it to J7w on Kyushu'08 Banzuke. Hatsu 08 J5w 9-6 Haru 08 J4e 8-7 Natsu 08 J4e 7-8 Nagoya 08 J5e 8-7 Aki 08 J6e 8-7 Kyushu 08 J7w 8-7 Hatsu 09 ? I'm asking myself how many more KK do I need to be demoted back to Makushita finally.... (In a state of confusion...) Ganzohnesushi It was unfortunate for you. There were 2 reasons. 1)In Norizo Cup, KK does not guarantee rise banzuke. The banzuke made relatively. EX> A9-6 M5 B9-6 C9-6 M6 D8-7 E8-7 M7 F 5-10 G10-5 M8 H6-9 I4-11 M9 J12-3 Perhaps E will be down. 2)For example 8-7, it was ubdivided into 7.5-7.5,7.75-7.25,8-7,8.25-6.75,8.5-6.5 and so on. If you were 8-7 but nearly 7-8, you probably counted 7.5-7.5 in making banzuke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,172 Posted December 8, 2008 I just noticed that I had made a banzuke guess for the NC Kyushu banzuke. You did what?? (In a state of confusion...) It will never ever appear to me that I had too much time on my hands... (On the banzuke...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norizo 0 Posted December 8, 2008 Actually, I usually don't look at these things much. Just for proof, only now I wondered why I am in juryo. After some research I detected a drop from M7 to J9 due to an absence in Nagoya. Only I never miss any game, at least among SB games. No confirmation mails (IIRC) doesn't make this game any better. The entry lists are auto-updating, though. Has anybody ever lost an entry even after they were definitely listed as submitted? Maybe people just forget that they need to click another button to re-confirm their entry sometimes...? Maybe, but not me. My Japanese is good enough to read those instructions pretty fluently. Besides I'm aware of the entry routine by now. Oh, and I certainly don't check auto-updating entry lists. I don't care even enough often times to check the standings or banzuke as I obviously never did during or after Nagoya. It also isn't important to me if I am ranked in juryo or makuuchi right now. I just wanted to make the point that the game administration has done enough to get itself removed from the Super Banzuke if that is under consideration. Sorry I can't understand what you want to say. Because my poor English. (^^;) NC doesn't adopt "Kosho". Kyjyo(Absence) is treated 0-15. I entrust manager to NC entry system. I wish the system go perfect. But not. If your entry is not appear, please send another way. I hope NC forum. English OK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norizo 0 Posted December 8, 2008 EX>In kyushu 2008 DAI 841 point 13-2(13-2) Ryu 781P 12-3(12.25-2.75) Takanorappa 760P 12-3(12-3) Bokusa- 721P 12-3(11.5-3.5) Zenjimoto 701P 11-4(11.25-3.75) Daishoyama 690P 11-4(11.25-3.75) Yushuyama 670P 11-4(10.75-4.25) Sugawara-isaocchi 660P 11-4(10.75-4.25) Max 641P 10-5(10.5-4.5) ........... ........... Seki-haruaki 590P 10-5(9.75-5.25) Mumeishi 590P 10-5(9.75-5.25) Choshu-yuki 590P 9-6(9.75-5.25) ........... ........... Kaio 520P 9-6(8.5-6.5) ........... ........... In this basho 11-4 players counted MAX 11.25-3.75,MIN 10.75-4.25. 10-5 players counted MAX 10.5-4.5,MIN 9.75-5.25. 9-6 players counted MAX 9.75-5.25,MIN 8.5-6.5. 8-7 players counted MAX 8.5-6.5,MIN 7.5-7.5. The calculation is complicated by points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 439 Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) It was unfortunate for you.There were 2 reasons. 1)In Norizo Cup, KK does not guarantee rise banzuke. The banzuke made relatively. EX> A9-6 M5 B9-6 C9-6 M6 D8-7 E8-7 M7 F 5-10 G10-5 M8 H6-9 I4-11 M9 J12-3 Perhaps E will be down. 2)For example 8-7, it was ubdivided into 7.5-7.5,7.75-7.25,8-7,8.25-6.75,8.5-6.5 and so on. If you were 8-7 but nearly 7-8, you probably counted 7.5-7.5 in making banzuke. Fully understood and accepted.... It is just annoying that with only one small MK in 2008 I'm not climbing... Ganzohnesushi Edited December 8, 2008 by Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaiowaka 4 Posted December 9, 2008 With a 9-6 i move from M14w to M15e..........and macs move with a 10-5 form J7w to M14e ! For me it's a mistake here................ If i move to M14e and macs to M15e, it's really just.........for me ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
