Peeter 15 Posted November 26, 2008 The question is... (Sign of approval...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,017 Posted November 26, 2008 And what exactly is the question? Two Komusubi and two Sekiwake, of course. And if you're hinting at a possible Kaio intai, well, the banzuke is already settled, so there'll definitely be five Ozeki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peeter 15 Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) 11 is not good number - 2K, 2S, 5O, 2Y. No conspiracy theories at all! Kaio MUST stay! Edited November 26, 2008 by Peeter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,017 Posted November 26, 2008 You completely lost me now.....but I guess you didn't have me to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peeter 15 Posted November 26, 2008 You completely lost me now.....but I guess you didn't have me to begin with. (I am not worthy...) I'm not catching anybody! (Sign of approval...) Banzuke is not symmetric - that's all - M rank will loose 1? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fatakiyama 0 Posted November 26, 2008 (I am not worthy...) I'm not catching anybody! (Sign of approval...) Banzuke is not symmetric - that's all - M rank will loose 1? Yes, there will only be one M16 in january Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paolo 0 Posted November 26, 2008 (I am not worthy...) I'm not catching anybody! (Sign of approval...) Banzuke is not symmetric - that's all - M rank will loose 1? Yes, there will only be one M16 in january My guess: if Ama is Ozeki 3 East, then there will be only Maegashira 16 West (no M16 East) to keep the two sides balanced. Could it be the other way round , that is Ama Ozeki 3 West and only Maegashira 16 East (no West) ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted November 26, 2008 (I am not worthy...) I'm not catching anybody! (Sign of approval...) Banzuke is not symmetric - that's all - M rank will loose 1? Yes, there will only be one M16 in january My guess: if Ama is Ozeki 3 East, then there will be only Maegashira 16 West (no M16 East) to keep the two sides balanced. Could it be the other way round , that is Ama Ozeki 3 West and only Maegashira 16 East (no West) ? Both wrong... just look at a big number of former examples. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peeter 15 Posted November 26, 2008 Ok! O3 wherever & M16E! (Sign of approval...) Was once 3 sekiwakes ( third was 2SW ) and M16E, many other examples too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,017 Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Was once 3 sekiwakes ( third was 2SW ) and M16E, many other examples too! Your case implies an odd number of Yokozuna/Ozeki. The rule is: fill east first, and put any surplus sanyaku at west. Maegashira don't matter for balance - they're always east-aligned. edit: A nice example would be this banzuke. Edited November 26, 2008 by Jakusotsu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peeter 15 Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Get Your point: Symmetric will not go out sanyaku! ;-) Y1E - Y2W ------------ O3E ------ Odd sanyaku ( 11 in our case ) ------------ M16E Edited: my banzuke was http://www.banzuke.com/banzuke/b200407.html Edited November 26, 2008 by Peeter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paolo 0 Posted November 26, 2008 :-D I'm not catching anybody! ;-) Banzuke is not symmetric - that's all - M rank will loose 1? Yes, there will only be one M16 in january My guess: if Ama is Ozeki 3 East, then there will be only Maegashira 16 West (no M16 East) to keep the two sides balanced. Could it be the other way round , that is Ama Ozeki 3 West and only Maegashira 16 East (no West) ? Both wrong... just look at a big number of former examples. Ooooops... two mistakes in three lines ! One of the best performances of mine ever ! But I can still improve.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted November 26, 2008 Your case implies an odd number of Yokozuna/Ozeki. The rule is: fill east first, and put any surplus sanyaku at west. Better not encourage them to really put any surplus sanyaku at west... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,017 Posted November 26, 2008 Better not encourage them to really put any surplus sanyaku at west... Quite intriguing! Was that a one time exception, or should we better have put Doitsuyama on S2W? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted November 26, 2008 Better not encourage them to really put any surplus sanyaku at west... Quite intriguing! Was that a one time exception, or should we better have put Doitsuyama on S2W? I always figured it was a screwup, just like they sometimes couldn't decide whether a single yokozuna sends the third ozeki to east or west (see Nagoya 2004 vs. Haru 2005 and following), but I really have no idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mokele 3 Posted December 1, 2008 How many sanyaku in January? Well : yokozuna: Hakuho Asashoryu ozeki: Kotomitsuki Chiyotaikai Kotooshu Kaio Harumafuji sekiwake: Baruto Aminishiki komusubi: Kisenosato Toyonoshima Kotoshogiku and Kyokutenho will each probably be placed at maegashira1, Miyabiyama at maegashira2. Under different circumstances it would be justified to promote Kotoshogiku to komusubi. However, with 5 ozeki one would expect only a total of 4 rikishi ranked at sekiwake + komusubi. So I'll go with 11 in Sanyaku for Hatsu 2009. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmons 0 Posted December 1, 2008 How many sanyaku in January? Well :yokozuna: Hakuho Asashoryu ozeki: Kotomitsuki Chiyotaikai Kotooshu Kaio Harumafuji sekiwake: Baruto Aminishiki komusubi: Kisenosato Toyonoshima Kotoshogiku and Kyokutenho will each probably be placed at maegashira1, Miyabiyama at maegashira2. Under different circumstances it would be justified to promote Kotoshogiku to komusubi. However, with 5 ozeki one would expect only a total of 4 rikishi ranked at sekiwake + komusubi. So I'll go with 11 in Sanyaku for Hatsu 2009. I think this 11 sanyaku guys will be next basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
