Doitsuyama 1,150 Posted September 22, 2008 The three makuuchi leaders Hakuho, Ama and Goeido all won today with sekiwake Ama just outclassing yokozuna Asashoryu with superior quickness, causing the only loss by a yokozuna or ozeki today as all four ozeki won today with Kotooshu overwhelming Aminishiki, another undersized nemesis of the tall Bulgarian ozeki. The pursuer group is down to ozeki Kotomitsuki at 7-2 as Futeno lost to Goeido and Kokkai to struggling Takamisakari. Tomorrow will be interesting with Ama facing the leading yokozuna Hakuho and Goeido meeting Asashoryu in the musubi-no-ichiban. Yamamotoyama stayed in the sole juryo lead with an oshidashi win against pursuer Ichihara. The pursuer group got cut in half with Kaiho and Kasuganishiki also losing while Koryu, Aran and Tosayutaka extended their win streaks to 4, 5 and 6 wins to advance to 7-2. Kitazakura won't be one of the makuuchi promotions as he is already make-koshi at 1-8. Day 9 Juryo Ms4e Tamaasuka (4-1) oshitaoshi J13e Kirinowaka (3-6) J11w Ushiomaru (3-6) yorikiri J12w Otsukasa (4-5) J14e Asofuji (3-6) yorikiri J11e Hakuba (3-6) J12e Yamamotoyama (8-1) oshidashi J10w Ichihara (6-3) J9e Sagatsukasa (4-5) oshidashi J13w Kaiho (6-3) J8e Kotokasuga (3-6) oshidashi J14w Wakatenro (5-4) J10e Tosayutaka (7-2) oshidashi J5w Kyokunankai (5-4) J5e Koryu (7-2) hatakikomi J8w Shirononami (2-7) J9w Ryuo (4-5) hatakikomi J3w Kasuganishiki (6-3) J6w Aran (7-2) yoritaoshi J3e Shimotori (4-5) J4w Toyozakura (5-4) oshidashi J2w Tamakasuga (4-5) J2e Tosanoumi (4-5) yorikiri J7w Mokonami (3-6) J7e Hoshihikari (4-5) okurinage J1w Kitazakura (1-8) Makuuchi J4e Wakakirin (4-5) yorikiri M15e Tamawashi (4-5) M14w Kimurayama (6-3) oshidashi M16w Kakizoe (5-4) J1e Bushuyama (6-3) yorikiri M13e Chiyohakuho (3-6) M12w Dejima (5-4) tsukiotoshi M12e Tamanoshima (4-5) M11w Takamisakari (3-6) hikiotoshi M16e Kokkai (6-3) M10e Tochinoshin (5-4) yorikiri M15w Kasugao (0-9) M9w Wakanosato (6-3) oshidashi M14e Takekaze (4-5) M9e Hokutoriki (6-3) oshidashi M13w Kitataiki (4-5) M11e Yoshikaze (3-6) oshidashi M8w Masatsukasa (2-7) M6e Toyohibiki (6-3) oshidashi M7w Tokitenku (3-6) M5w Goeido (8-1) kubinage M10w Futeno (6-3) M2e Kisenosato (3-6) tsukiotoshi M6w Tochiozan (4-5) M3e Kyokutenho (3-6) yorikiri M1e Kotoshogiku (4-5) K1w Asasekiryu (3-6) uwatenage K1e Baruto (2-7) O2w Chiyotaikai (6-3) oshidashi M1w Miyabiyama (3-6) O2e Kaio (6-3) yorikiri M4w Tochinonada (2-7) O1w Kotooshu (5-4) yoritaoshi M4e Aminishiki (4-5) O1e Kotomitsuki (7-2) yorikiri M5e Kakuryu (5-4) S1e Ama (8-1) okuridashi Y1w Asashoryu (5-4) Y1e Hakuho (8-1) makiotoshi S1w Toyonoshima (4-5) Day 10 Juryo J12e Yamamotoyama (8-1) J13w Kaiho (6-3) J11e Hakuba (3-6) Ms4w Mori (3-2) J13e Kirinowaka (3-6) J11w Ushiomaru (3-6) J14w Wakatenro (5-4) J9w Ryuo (4-5) J14e Asofuji (3-6) J8w Shirononami (2-7) J12w Otsukasa (4-5) J7w Mokonami (3-6) J5e Koryu (7-2) J10e Tosayutaka (7-2) J9e Sagatsukasa (4-5) J5w Kyokunankai (5-4) J4e Wakakirin (4-5) J7e Hoshihikari (4-5) J3e Shimotori (4-5) J4w Toyozakura (5-4) J10w Ichihara (6-3) J3w Kasuganishiki (6-3) J2e Tosanoumi (4-5) J8e Kotokasuga (3-6) J1e Bushuyama (6-3) J6w Aran (7-2) Makuuchi M15e Tamawashi (4-5) M16e Kokkai (6-3) J1w Kitazakura (1-8) M15w Kasugao (0-9) J2w Tamakasuga (4-5) M13w Kitataiki (4-5) M12e Tamanoshima (4-5) M16w Kakizoe (5-4) M14e Takekaze (4-5) M12w Dejima (5-4) M14w Kimurayama (6-3) M10w Futeno (6-3) M9e Hokutoriki (6-3) M13e Chiyohakuho (3-6) M11e Yoshikaze (3-6) M9w Wakanosato (6-3) M10e Tochinoshin (5-4) M8w Masatsukasa (2-7) M11w Takamisakari (3-6) M6w Tochiozan (4-5) M4e Aminishiki (4-5) M6e Toyohibiki (6-3) M7w Tokitenku (3-6) M4w Tochinonada (2-7) M3e Kyokutenho (3-6) M5e Kakuryu (5-4) K1e Baruto (2-7) M2e Kisenosato (3-6) M1w Miyabiyama (3-6) K1w Asasekiryu (3-6) M1e Kotoshogiku (4-5) S1w Toyonoshima (4-5) O1e Kotomitsuki (7-2) O2w Chiyotaikai (6-3) O2e Kaio (6-3) O1w Kotooshu (5-4) Y1e Hakuho (8-1) S1e Ama (8-1) M5w Goeido (8-1) Y1w Asashoryu (5-4) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Wolf 22 Posted September 22, 2008 Ama should beat Hakuho, tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycruiser 0 Posted September 22, 2008 Ama should beat Hakuho, tomorrow. That would probably get him an Ozeki promotion, with double digit wins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 16,827 Posted September 22, 2008 Ama should beat Hakuho, tomorrow. That would probably get him an Ozeki promotion, with double digit wins 9-6, 10-5, 10-5? No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilovesumo 12 Posted September 22, 2008 J12e Yamamotoyama (8-1) J13w Kaiho (6-3) I pray nobody will get hurt.... :-| Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycruiser 0 Posted September 22, 2008 Ama should beat Hakuho, tomorrow. That would probably get him an Ozeki promotion, with double digit wins 9-6, 10-5, 10-5? No. More like 13-2 with jun yusho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 16,827 Posted September 22, 2008 More like 13-2 with jun yusho Also very doubtful. I could maybe see it with a 14-1 yusho, but given the usual wait-and-see approach with younger ozeki and yokozuna candidates, even that is probably not enough. Ama has never even scored more than 10 wins against top competition (at any time, not just in the current run), so I doubt one single 11+ performance would be enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sashimaru 10 Posted September 22, 2008 I don't think that Ama would be promoted with a 14-1. Even a 15-0 wouldn't be enough either. I'm sure he must prove himself another basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted September 22, 2008 I still think promotion will be tougher for him than usual with 4 ozeki looking like they'll at least get KK this basho, but if he does get a 14-1 yusho or 13-2 junyusho and then puts together another similar performance next basho as well then I think it will be difficult to ignore. I am not great at the sumodb but can't recall the last time there were 5 ozeki. Perhaps if a yokozuna were to intai and an ozeki were to step it up... :-| I still don't know if the Koto ozeki have yokozuna potential in them any time soon though, maybe next year. That said, Ama is still looking small in a few bouts and it still takes him a loss to wake him up sometimes. In this basho, Ama has been much more focused after his loss; he needs to find a way to achieve his full intensity without a loss. With the lack of weight he is having to do some entertaining and unique sumo which is fun to watch but I still think if he could (quit smoking and...) put on 5-10kg it would help him a fair bit without slowing him down much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sashimaru 10 Posted September 22, 2008 J12e Yamamotoyama (8-1) J13w Kaiho (6-3) I pray nobody will get hurt.... :-| I hope for a nice shitatenage by the mighty Kaiho. :-| Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takemi 0 Posted September 22, 2008 M1e Kotoshogiku (4-5) S1w Toyonoshima (4-5) This one will be fun, not a very high profile match but the prestige and rivalry is there nonetheless! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,150 Posted September 22, 2008 More like 13-2 with jun yusho Also very doubtful. I could maybe see it with a 14-1 yusho, but given the usual wait-and-see approach with younger ozeki and yokozuna candidates, even that is probably not enough. Ama has never even scored more than 10 wins against top competition (at any time, not just in the current run), so I doubt one single 11+ performance would be enough. I think 14-1 yusho would clinch it, maybe even a 13-2 yusho. Look at Chiyotaikai who got the promotion with 9-6, 10-5, 13-2 Y (playoff win). And he even was a year younger than Ama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 16,827 Posted September 22, 2008 I think 14-1 yusho would clinch it, maybe even a 13-2 yusho. Look at Chiyotaikai who got the promotion with 9-6, 10-5, 13-2 Y (playoff win). And he even was a year younger than Ama. You don't think the 5-year draught in credible ozeki candidates had something to do with that? This time we've had three new ozeki and a borderline performance by Miyabiyama just in the last three years, not to mention 4 active ones (compared to 2 when Taikai was promoted). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,150 Posted September 22, 2008 I think 14-1 yusho would clinch it, maybe even a 13-2 yusho. Look at Chiyotaikai who got the promotion with 9-6, 10-5, 13-2 Y (playoff win). And he even was a year younger than Ama. You don't think the 5-year draught in credible ozeki candidates had something to do with that? This time we've had three new ozeki and a borderline performance by Miyabiyama just in the last three years, not to mention 4 active ones (compared to 2 when Taikai was promoted). True, but a 14-1 yusho at sekiwake (especially if he beats Hakuho tomorrow) is a strong argument. :-| Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpl 0 Posted September 22, 2008 I am not great at the sumodb but can't recall the last time there were 5 ozeki. It was Natsu 2007 so only a little more than a year ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 16,827 Posted September 22, 2008 True, but a 14-1 yusho at sekiwake (especially if he beats Hakuho tomorrow) is a strong argument. (Gyoji...) Well I did say I can maybe see a case with 14-1Y. (In jonokuchi...) It wouldn't be the worst decision ever, for sure, and his steady run of 8 to 10 win results in sanyaku is no worse than what the actual ozeki are putting up. Might as well allow him to do it one rank higher if he proves he's not another Wakanosato-type who just can't get over the 11-win hump. Still, with 13-2 (even if yusho) I think the deck is stacked too much against him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted September 22, 2008 (edited) I am not great at the sumodb but can't recall the last time there were 5 ozeki. It was Natsu 2007 so only a little more than a year ago. OK, I was thinking of two yokozuna plus five ozeki, seven or more at ozeki and up but you're right. I can't believe I already forgot about Tochiazuma being there with Hakuho, Kotooshu, Kaio and Chiyotaikai... (pass it here, Soslan!) though he didn't actually have any matches in natsu he was active in the previous bashos. Edited September 22, 2008 by Harry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,835 Posted September 22, 2008 J12e Yamamotoyama (8-1) J13w Kaiho (6-3) I hope for a nice shitatenage by the mighty Kaiho. (In jonokuchi...) Ipponzeoi by Kaiho. You saw it here first! (Gyoji...) ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,835 Posted September 23, 2008 J12e Yamamotoyama (8-1) J13w Kaiho (6-3) I hope for a nice shitatenage by the mighty Kaiho. (Yusho winner...) Ipponzeoi by Kaiho. You saw it here first! (Uwatenage...) (Eek...) But it was really a Kirikaeshi!!!! (Sign of disapproval...) (Sign of approval...) (Sign of approval...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
