Odoriou 0 Posted July 30, 2008 Sorting the guys in lower Juryo was terribly painful this time. (Beaten...) Nevertheless, here is my attempt: (Neener, neener...) Hakuho (Yw, 15-0) Y Asashoryu (Ye, 3-3-9) Kotomitsuki (O1w, 11-4) O Kotooshu (O1e, 9-6) Kaio (O2e, 9-6) O Chiyotaikai (O2w, 9-6) Ama (Se, 10-5) S Toyonoshima (Kw, 10-5) Asasekiryu (M2e, 8-7) K Baruto (M5w, 10-5) Kotoshogiku (Sw, 6-9) M 1 Miyabiyama (M5e, 9-6) Kisenosato (Ke, 6-9) M 2 Homasho (M6e, 9-6) Aminishiki (M1e, 6-9) M 3 Roho (M7e, 9-6) Tochinonada (M3w, 7-8) M 4 Kyokutenho (M9e, 10-5) Goeido (M4w, 7-8) M 5 Kakuryu (M7w, 8-7) Wakanoho (M1w, 4-11) M 6 Wakanosato (M4e, 5-10) Tokitenku (M6w, 7-8) M 7 Hokutoriki (M2w, 4-11) Tochiozan (M11e, 9-6) M 8 Iwakiyama (M9w, 8-7) Toyohibiki (M13e, 10-5) M 9 Futeno (M3e, 3-12) Takamisakari (M8e, 6-9) M 10 Tamanoshima (M10e, 7-8) Dejima (M8w, 6-9) M 11 Masatsukasa (M16e, 10-5) Tochinoshin (M14w, 8-7) M 12 Takekaze (M12e, 7-8) Kimurayama (M12w, 7-8) M 13 Kitataiki (J4e, 11-4) Yoshikaze (M15e, 8-7) M 14 Tamawashi (J1e, 9-6) Kokkai (M10w, 5-10) M 15 Chiyohakuho (M16w, 8-7) Kasugao (J2w, 9-6) M 16 Kakizoe (M15w, 7-8) Bushuyama (J8e, 12-3) J 1 Kitazakura (J3e, 8-7) Tosanoumi (M14e, 5-10) J 2 Tamakasuga (M11w, 3-12) Wakakirin (J2e, 7-8) J 3 Shimotori (J6e, 9-6) Kasuganishiki (J6w, 9-6) J 4 Toyozakura (J1w, 6-9) Koryu (M13w, 3-12) J 5 Hakurozan (J4w, 7-8) Hoshihikari (J3w, 6-9) J 6 Kyokunankai (J9w, 9-6) Kotokasuga (J5e, 6-8-1) J 7 Mokonami (J12e, 9-6) Aran (J14e, 10-5) J 8 Hakuba (J5w, 5-10) Ushiomaru (J7w, 6-9) J 9 Shirononami (J11e, 8-7) Ryuo (J11w, 8-7) J 10 Sagatsukasa (J13w, 9-6) Otsukasa (J10e, 7-8) J 11 Tosayutaka (J14w, 9-6) Ichihara (J12w, 8-7) J 12 Yamamotoyama (Ms1w, 6-1) Kirinowaka (J8w, 6-9) J 13 Asofuji (Ms2w, 5-2) Kaiho (J7e, 5-10) J 14 Wakatenro (Ms3w, 4-3) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) I think you are being hugely kind on Wakanosato. Very much doubt he'll remain that high. Tamanoshima wont keep his rank (even the half drop) IMO. I have my juryo preds at home at the mo'. The rest we're pretty close on. I have put Bart east and kiryu west FWIW. Edited July 30, 2008 by Bealzbob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tikozan 4 Posted July 30, 2008 Is there a chance to promote the winner of the juryo-yusho Bushuyama to Makuuchi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted July 30, 2008 Is there a chance to promote the winner of the juryo-yusho Bushuyama to Makuuchi? Sure, if they keep Kasugao in juryo. Or, really more unlikely, demote Kakizoe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chisaiyama 11 Posted July 30, 2008 I have put Bart east and kiryu west FWIW. I also put Asasekiryu East and Baruto West with the following logic/thoughts behind it (trying to think like a bunch of old sekitori). Asasekiryu has been in Sanyaku before and has shown on occasion his ability to handle it and has been a pretty regular fixture in the Joi' Jin the last couple years and is being promoted from the higher ranking. Baruto on the other hand has never quite made it to Sanyaku and on the occasion of making it to the top of the Joi' Jim has been unable to seize the opportunity thus I believe they will put him in the secondary slot. IMHO FWIW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chisaiyama 11 Posted July 30, 2008 Sure, if they keep Kasugao in juryo. Or, really more unlikely, demote Kakizoe.With a couple notable exceptions (Kotokasuga, Koryu) the recent crop of shin makuuchi have brought about a considerable interest in Ozumo in Japan as represented by the 9 sold out days in Nagoya. I believe they will consider this in their decision as to how hight to promote Bushuyama. I for one think that a quick dip into Juryo for Kakizoe might be just the bracer to light a fire under his mawashi and give him renewed genkiness. If they choose to promote I would rather see Kaki go down that to hold back Kasugao who is down there due to injury and not necessarily so so sumo, again IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted July 30, 2008 I'm simultaneously impressed and disappointed that nobody has yet brought up that Kasugao's 9th win was a freebie. (Neener, neener...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,442 Posted July 31, 2008 I'm simultaneously impressed and disappointed that nobody has yet brought up that Kasugao's 9th win was a freebie. (Neener, neener...) And I'm equally impressed and disappointed that people still think banzuke makers take distant/near past performances into consideration, after time and again we've seen them consider the numbers exclusively.. Of course, the number consideration varies depending on the timeline and what is "en vogue" , but past performances and behavior, hairstyle etc.. are totally irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,017 Posted July 31, 2008 With a couple notable exceptions (Kotokasuga, Koryu) the recent crop of shin makuuchi have brought about a considerable interest in Ozumo in Japan as represented by the 9 sold out days in Nagoya. Any proof for that having anything to do with the four promotees, or is it just an uneducated guess? Me, I would have credited that to Osh's tsunatori and the general rise in ticket sales, but what do I know... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fay 1,677 Posted July 31, 2008 With a couple notable exceptions (Kotokasuga, Koryu) the recent crop of shin makuuchi have brought about a considerable interest in Ozumo in Japan as represented by the 9 sold out days in Nagoya. Any proof for that having anything to do with the four promotees, or is it just an uneducated guess? Me, I would have credited that to Osh's tsunatori and the general rise in ticket sales, but what do I know... I would agree with Jakusotsu. As the usual sumo spectator doesn't even know who the shin makuuchi are, I doubt very much that they would be the reason for a rise of ticket sales. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted July 31, 2008 With a couple notable exceptions (Kotokasuga, Koryu) the recent crop of shin makuuchi have brought about a considerable interest in Ozumo in Japan as represented by the 9 sold out days in Nagoya. Any proof for that having anything to do with the four promotees, or is it just an uneducated guess? Me, I would have credited that to Osh's tsunatori and the general rise in ticket sales, but what do I know... I would agree with Jakusotsu. As the usual sumo spectator doesn't even know who the shin makuuchi are, I doubt very much that they would be the reason for a rise of ticket sales. I would even go so far and add that Chisaiyama tends to make a lot of uneducated guesses... I called her out on the latest and she just comes up with more of the same stuff. Some people never learn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,831 Posted July 31, 2008 I would even go so far and add that Chisaiyama tends to make a lot of uneducated guesses... I called her out on the latest and she just comes up with more of the same stuff. Some people never learn. Talking about uneducated guesses - I'm pretty certain that Chisaiyama isn't a "she" (First prize...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted August 1, 2008 I would even go so far and add that Chisaiyama tends to make a lot of uneducated guesses... I called her out on the latest and she just comes up with more of the same stuff. Some people never learn. Talking about uneducated guesses - I'm pretty certain that Chisaiyama isn't a "she" ;-) Ooops... I wouldn't call that uneducated then, apparently I'm mistakening him(?) for another Chisai-x who should be a she IIRC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fay 1,677 Posted August 1, 2008 I would even go so far and add that Chisaiyama tends to make a lot of uneducated guesses... I called her out on the latest and she just comes up with more of the same stuff. Some people never learn. Talking about uneducated guesses - I'm pretty certain that Chisaiyama isn't a "she" ;-) Ooops... I wouldn't call that uneducated then, apparently I'm mistakening him(?) for another Chisai-x who should be a she IIRC. mixed him with Chiisaiyama, who is a she Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) Makuuchi guess: Hakuho Edited August 1, 2008 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odoriou 0 Posted August 1, 2008 pretty different from Odoriou's Seems like you looked at my draft and then you made the exact opposite of it. ;-) I thought I was already too harsh on Yamamotoyamamotoyama. A 6-1 from Ms1 usually puts you around J10. Poor little Yama ;-) has bad banzuke luck for... how many times in a row now? :-( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryK 38 Posted August 1, 2008 Makuuchi guess: Hmmm..... your list has some outsized upward moves (Kyokotenho, Toyohibiki, Tochiozan, Iwakiyama) but some of these are needed to degrade the poor performers appropriately (Waknoho, Wakanosato, Futeno, Hokutoriki). I guess the NSK will have to settle for one of these models. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted August 2, 2008 (edited) After looking over my makuuchi guess a bit more, the toughest area (in terms of potential solutions) might be M10-M11. I'm fairly sure that it'll be filled by Futeno, Takamisakari, Dejima and Tamanoshima, but I can justify half a dozen versions. Above I have the "let's give the benefit of the doubt to the meatgrinder guy" version: Futeno (M3e, 3-12) Edited August 2, 2008 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryK 38 Posted August 3, 2008 After looking over my makuuchi guess a bit more, the toughest area (in terms of potential solutions) might be M10-M11. I'm fairly sure that it'll be filled by Futeno, Takamisakari, Dejima and Tamanoshima, but I can justify half a dozen versions. Imo you also have Kyokotenho and Iwakiyama a tad high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted August 3, 2008 Imo you also have Kyokotenho and Iwakiyama a tad high. Could be, but that's due to a philosophical difference as you noted above, not because I rolled dice and they came up "M3w" for 'tenho. That M10-M11 area on the other hand looks like a complete crapshoot to me - unless I'm totally off and Odoriou's version (with a non-overpromoted Masatsukasa) is the real one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,831 Posted August 3, 2008 Makuuchi guess:Hakuho (Ye, 15-0Y) Y Asashoryu (Ye, 3-3-9) Kotomitsuki (O1w, 11-4) O1 Kotooshu (O1e, 9-6) Kaio (O2e, 9-6) O2 Chiyotaikai (O2w, 9-6) Ama (Se, 10-5) S Toyonoshima (Kw, 10-5) Baruto (M5w, 10-5) K Asasekiryu (M2e, 8-7) [etc.] My picks are quite similar. The only cases where we disagree by more than a half-rank are Wakanoho, Iwakiyama, Tochiozan, and Yoshikaze. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted August 4, 2008 Perhaps better luck this time after the last one wasn't terribly on-target: Wakakoyu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted August 4, 2008 My banzuke East West --------------------------- Hakuho Y Asashoryu Kotomitsuki O1 Kotooshu Kaio O2 Chiyotaikai Ama S1 Toyonoshima Baruto K1 Asasekiryu Kotoshogiku M1 Miyabiyama Kisenosato M2 Homasho Roho M3 Kyokutenho Aminishiki M4 Tochinonada Goeido M5 Kakuryu Wakanoho M6 Iwakiyama Tochiozan M7 Tokitenku Toyohibiki M8 Hokutoriki Wakanosato M9 Takamisakari Dejima M10 Futeno Masatsukasa M11 Tamanoshima Tochinoshin M12 Kitataiki Takekaze M13 Kimurayama Yoshikaze M14 Tamawashi Kokkai M15 Chiyohakuho Kasugao M16 Kakizoe --------------------------- Bushuyama J1 Kitazakura Tosanoumi J2 Shimotori Wakakirin J3 Kasuganishiki Tamakasuga J4 Toyozakura Koryu J5 Hakurozan Hoshihikari J6 Kyokunankai Kotokasuga J7 Mokonami Hakuba J8 Aran Ushiomaru J9 Shirononami Ryuo J10 Sagatsukasa Ichihara J11 Tosayutaka Yamamotoyama J12 Otsukasa Kirinowaka J13 Kaiho Asofuji J14 Wakatenro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotobaru 0 Posted August 4, 2008 Everybody has his own wierd Banzuke (I am not worthy...) , here's mine: Ye Yw Hakuho (15-0) Yw Ye Asashoryu (3-3-9) O1e O1w Kotomitsuki (11-4) O1w O1e Kotooshu (9-6) O2e O2e Kaio (9-6) O2w O2w Chiyotaikai (9-6) Se Se Ama (10-5) Sw Kw Toyonoshima (10-5) Ke M2e Asasekiryu (8-7) Kw M5w Baruto (10-5) M1e Sw Kotoshogiku (6-9) M1w M5e Miyabiyama (9-6) M2e Ke Kisenosato (6-9) M2w M6e Homasho (9-6) M3e M9e Kyokutenho (10-5) M3w M1e Aminishiki (6-9) M4e M7e Roho (9-6) M4w M3w Tochinonada (7-8) M5e M7w Kakuryu (8-7) M5w M4w Goeido (7-8) M6e M13e Toyohibiki (10-5) M6w M11e Tochiozan (9-6) M7e M9w Iwakiyama (8-7) M7w M1w Wakanoho (4-11) M8e M6w Tokitenku (7-8) M8w M4e Wakanosato (5-10) M9e M2w Hokutoriki (4-11) M9w M16e Masatsukasa (10-5) M10e M3e Futeno (3-12) M10w M8e Takamisakari (6-9) M11e M10e Tamanoshima (7-8) M11w M8w Dejima (6-9) M12e M14w Tochinoshin (8-7) M12w M15e Yoshikaze (8-7) M13e M12e Takekaze (7-8) M13w M12w Kimurayama (7-8) M14e J4e Kitataiki (11-4) M14w J1e Tamawashi (9-6) M15e M16w Chiyohakuho (8-7) M15w M10w Kokkai (5-10) M16e J2w Kasugao (9-6) M16w J8e Bushuyama (12-3) J1e M15w Kakizoe (7-8) J1w J3e Kitazakura (8-7) J2e M14e Tosanoumi (5-10) J2w J6e Shimotori (9-6) J3e J2e Wakakirin (7-8) J3w M11w Tamakasuga (3-12) J4e J6w Kasuganishiki (9-6) J4w J1w Toyozakura (6-9) J5e M13w Koryu (3-12) J5w J4w Hakurozan (7-8) J6e J9w Kyokunankai (9-6) J6w J3w Hoshihikari (6-9) J7e J5e Kotokasuga (6-8-1) J7w J14e Aran (10-5) J8e J12e Mokonami (9-6) J8w J11e Shirononami (8-7) J9e J11w Ryuo (8-7) J9w J13w Sagatsukasa (9-6) J10e J7w Ushiomaru (6-9) J10w J5w Hakuba (5-10) J11e J12w Ichihara (8-7) J11w J10e Otsukasa (7-8) J12e J14w Tosayutaka (9-6) J12w J8w Kirinowaka (6-9) J13e J7e Kaiho (5-10) J13w Ms1w Yamamotoyama (6-1) J14e Ms2w Asofuji (5-2) J14w Ms3w Wakatenro (4-3) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
higginbotham 0 Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) Everybody has his own wierd Banzuke (I am not worthy...) , here's mine: But no one can surpass the kyokai in terms of weirdness... Edited August 5, 2008 by Manekineko quote fix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
