my confession

[tominishiki 0]

Lets not go there Yoavo that subject is a no go area-

I hate REM.

Are you the famous dubya?

[Doitsuyama 1,156]

Are you the famous dubya?

No, he isn't. Fujisan just changed the signature in memoriam of the departed Nortpole Ichimon member.

[Zenjimoto 39]

Fot the nitpickers,

You called? (I am not worthy...)

I am not 100% sure World Games was already made in 1987 but if it wasn't, keep the information to yourself  (I am not worthy...)

World Games was released in 1986, so yes, it was. :-P I used to play Winter Games, which was a similar joystick-wrecker. Those were the days... (Blushing...)

Welcome to the forum, young master. (Applauding...)

Those WERE the days!! The C64... the greatest machine ever built... Epyx was a legend, too bad they went under. Summer Games was essentially the first nice game I had for the C64 (Skeet Shoot and Platform Diving being my faves)... Summer Games II was perhaps the most anticipated game ever for me (true brilliance with the controls for cycling and rowing - rythm, not just brute speed!) Winter Games was great fun, specially Ski Jumping, Biathlon and Bobsledding (I just wish they hadn't done that stupid Figure Skating!). World Games was next, also a nice game (although I could never figure out why "Barrell Jumping" was a sport from Germany - from what I know, Barrell Jumping isn't really widely practised there :-D. The Footbag was part of California Games, wihch was maybe the weakest of them all, but still worth many hours on the C64...

One of the best things about it was the anthems... some of these melodies still haunt my memory... and Epyx had it's own flag and anthem, too! ;-) I was just always thrilled that Austria was one of the available countries :-D

Those WERE the days!

Cheers

Zenjimoto

[Zenjimoto 39]

Every time I see this thread ("my confession") I get the REM "Losing My Religion" song in my head (I am not worthy...)

Great, thanks... now I can't get "It's the End of the World as we Know it" out of my mind... good thing at least I like that song... (I am not worthy...)

Cheers

Z.

[tominishiki 0]

Hallo Alexander wie geht es dir?hope you allright this is a few words from Usagis germen words did I write it wright?

Edited October 9, 2003 by tominishiki

[Yoavoshimaru 0]

Dubya is a departed north pole ichimon member? Why departed?

[tominishiki 0]

Dubya is Tochinowaka I am thinking so who is Tochinowaka? B-)

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Tochinowaka? He's a former sekiwake who became Kasugano Oyakata some time ago.

[Kintamayama 41,309]

Dubya is a departed north pole ichimon member? Why departed?

Because he retired after being asked to stop his deriding of President Bush. Some (including him and Fujisan) thought his comments were funny, others (including me) didn't see the funny side.

Life is full of emptiness, yet is empty of fulfillment at times. B-)

[Feginowaka 53]

Dubya is Tochinowaka I am thinking so who is Tochinowaka? B-)

Dubya is/was the incarnation of the retired (after Kyushu 2002) Taconowaka (former BS-Sekiwake).

[Fujisan 500]

My signature is as has been said is in memory of my fellow north poler Dubya who was driven out of bench sumo by a bunch of idiots(No names you know who you are) without any real cause-I have sworn to continue signing my messages "Dubya," until his return in one form or another and if anyone has a problem with that-TOUGH!

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

My signature is as has been said is in memory of my fellow north poler Dubya who was driven out of bench sumo by a bunch of idiots(No names you know who you are) without any real cause-I have sworn to continue signing my messages "Dubya," until his return in one form or another and if anyone has a problem with that-TOUGH!

He did choose to quit after the discussion on the Bench Sumo Mailing list. That is, he made a choice based on opinions of members who had no authority to throw him out. And also started with an incorrect assumption of Dubya being someone with a double Bench Sumo incarnation, which was later found out he was not.

As far as I recall you had no understanding whatsoever when I chose to (at the time, although of course I came back soon afterwards) quit this forum based on discussions here. But so be it. I had more understanding of your position in that case than I have of your position in the case of Dubya. Dubya has all rights to return, change shikona or whatever and no one is stopping him, so calm down. Other Bench Sumo members should have their right to opinions the same way members on this forum have right to opinions.

(Being mellow...)

[Fujisan 500]

Thats fine with me Yubi I have no problem with the anti Dubya brigade expressing their opinions and Im just expressing mine in reply.

Is there a raspberry blowing emoticon?

[Asashosakari 16,987]

Other Bench Sumo members should have their right to opinions the same way members on this forum have right to opinions. (Being mellow...)

I agree, and as an outsider looking in (I'm not playing BS, and just happened to read up on the whole mess earlier today out of boredom), I'd just like to remark that free speech crusaders tend to have an annoying habit of throwing temper tantrums when other people choose to exercise their right of free speech in the form of criticism, and a temper tantrum is pretty much what Dubya's last posts looked like to me. But what do I know. (Whistling...)

Edit: Lest I violate my own policy of equal opportunity bashing, I'll also say that I found Monika's obnoxious rantings to be even worse. (Being mellow...)

Edited October 14, 2003 by Asashosakari

[Fujisan 500]

Criticism is one thing but direct opposition to a persons chosen shikona and comments,saying they shouldnt be allowed in bench sumo is not an just stating an opinion its victimisation.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Other Bench Sumo members should have their right to opinions the same way members on this forum have right to opinions. (Being mellow...)

I agree, and as an outsider looking in (I'm not playing BS, and just happened to read up on the whole mess earlier today out of boredom), I'd just like to remark that free speech crusaders tend to have an annoying habit of throwing temper tantrums when other people choose to exercise their right of free speech in the form of criticism, and a temper tantrum is pretty much what Dubya's last posts looked like to me. But what do I know. (Whistling...)

Edit: Lest I violate my own policy of equal opportunity bashing, I'll also say that I found Monika's obnoxious rantings to be even worse. (Being mellow...)

I agree completely.

In my opinion it was really only Monika and Dubya himself who went out of line in the discussion. And in the case of Monika it was no surprise. She has not really made one post on the SumoML, the Bench Sumo mailing list or the German Sumo Forum (at least that I know of), all of which she has been on, that hasn't been inflammatory in one way or the other. She has written several personal emails to me telling me how useless, stupid or naive in general I am because of opinions I had shared on the SumoML, so whenever she started the debate, it was no wonder it went completely awry.

Edited October 14, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Criticism is one thing but direct opposition to a persons chosen shikona and comments,saying they shouldnt be allowed in bench sumo is not an just stating an opinion its victimisation.

I'd just like to note that the whole debate didn't stem from someone having a problem with the shikona. They stemmed from people believing the shikona was a double incarnation (which is not allowed in bench sumo), and from people thinking Dubya's constant political comments as part of his bench sumo entries, demeaning George W Bush, were out-of-line and offensive to some members on the Bench Sumo list. I have no difficulty seeing how they could be seen as offensive, since there are a lot of Americans playing Bench Sumo, certainly some of them Republicans. Some of the comments were definitely of the kind that could offend me if they were made about some politician I respected. If I can realize this, so can Dubya. He is certainly also perfectly aware of the fact that politics is a sensitive subject, and demeaning politicians in one way or another invariably will stir emotions eventually.

Edited October 14, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama

[Anjoboshi 2]

Those WERE the days!!  The C64... the greatest machine ever built...  Epyx was a legend, too bad they went under.  Summer Games was essentially the first nice game I had for the C64 (Skeet Shoot and Platform Diving being my faves)... Summer Games II was perhaps the most anticipated game ever for me (true brilliance with the controls for cycling and rowing - rythm, not just brute speed!)  Winter Games was great fun, specially Ski Jumping, Biathlon and Bobsledding (I just wish they hadn't done that stupid Figure Skating!).  World Games was next, also a nice game (although I could never figure out why "Barrell Jumping" was a sport from Germany - from what I know, Barrell Jumping isn't really widely practised there (Whistling...).  The Footbag was part of California Games, wihch was maybe the weakest of them all, but still worth many hours on the C64...

[...]

Those WERE the days!

(Slightly Offtopic)

Yeah, that were those days! ^^

Compared with todays computer games you can see how great those games of the past were. Yes, indeed: simple graphic but pure fun (while todays' games are pure graphic with a pinch of fun...).

I remember those days when we (~ 3-4 people) sat in front of an Amiga / C64 and played games like Winter/Summer/California Games. I don't want to know how many joysticks were ruined (and repaired) while trying to break the other ones world record (and to hear the anthems) ;).

Think of other great games, like Monkey Island 1, Monkey Island 2, Populous, Zak MacKracken, Sam & Max, Pirates!, Civilization, Arkanoid, Indiana Jones, Elite, Leisure Larry, Dune, etc. (and a lot of other games which should be written here ;) ). Hrm...somehow i really would like to play one of those games now again ;)

Anjoboshi "Thinking back of good old days ;)"

P.S.: btw. Zenjimoto is right, "Footbag" was part of California Games.

[tominishiki 0]

Dubya is a departed north pole ichimon member?  Why departed?

Because he retired after being asked to stop his deriding of President Bush. Some (including him and Fujisan) thought his comments were funny, others (including me) didn't see the funny side.

Life is full of emptiness, yet is empty of fulfillment at times. (Whistling...)

He wrote in the Bench sumo furom that he didnt quit so he doesnt quit

[Fujisan 500]

Im surprised you left me off the list of those out of line Yubi or is that playing safe because Im here to reply.

I do admit I got a little carried away at times especially my flame with Monica and I dont see how you can say Dubya(The original) was out of line,I personally feel he took it on the chin when frankly I feel he had a right to stick up for himself much more than he did.

Hi Anjoboshi-I never had a C64,in fact until I bought my Playstation I never really had an up to date console but I do remember Return to monkey island which I loved-My favourite all time game was the four player arcade "Gauntlet," which I consider myself one of the best payers in the country-

My high score was 6.900.000 which took me 10 1/2 hours on one 10p.

My favourite console game is Metal gear solid on the PS which I finished 7 times.

Now I would be lost without my PS2.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Dubya is a departed north pole ichimon member?  Why departed?

Because he retired after being asked to stop his deriding of President Bush. Some (including him and Fujisan) thought his comments were funny, others (including me) didn't see the funny side.

Life is full of emptiness, yet is empty of fulfillment at times. (Whistling...)

He wrote in the Bench sumo furom that he didnt quit so he doesnt quit

No, that was Fujisan.

However, Fujisan-zeki, although you can call yourself Dubya however much you'd like, you WON'T acquire Dubya's banzuke position in Bench_sumo, and I would be very surprised if Jejima would let you change your shikona to Dubya. The reason for that has nothing with oppression to do but is simply not to make the bench sumo automation go haywire.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Im surprised you left me off the list of those out of line Yubi or is that playing safe because Im here to reply.

I do admit I got a little carried away at times especially my flame with Monica and I dont see how you can say Dubya(The original) was out of line,I personally feel he took it on the chin when frankly I feel he had a right to stick up for himself much more than he did.

Well, I didn't think you were out of line until the couple of messages you wrote today that were simply uncalled for this long after the debate was dead.

Dubya was out of line in sending 30 messages with strange content in anticipation of his retirement. He also spoke about what was okay in comments in a way I think was rather uncalled for. He should know that politics is a dangerous subject and likely to go off at one time or another. Fine, do political comments, but be prepared to take the heat if someone think its offensive.

Edited October 14, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama

[Fujisan 500]

Dubya is a departed north pole ichimon member?

[tominishiki 0]

Dubya is a departed north pole ichimon member?

Edited October 14, 2003 by tominishiki

[Fujisan 500]

I sent those messages for two reasons Yubi-

1/I have been off line for nearly a week so I didnt get chance before.

2/People might think or want this debate to be over but they've got another think coming,this will go on till Dubya returns even if it is under a different Shikona-The next two bashos will be fun.

As for taking over Dubyas position-I wont say the idea didnt cross my mind but I know it would never happen and anyway I like my own shikona and position even if it is 5 places lower-I got there on my own merits.

It wont stop me signing my comments Dubya at the next basho though.