Toyozakura and Magaki incidents

[Asashosakari 16,844]

(I'm guessing Nara)?

Yes, has to be him; the Hochi article said he won by hatakikomi on Day 10, and Nara's the only one who fits.

[Peterao 3]

The rikishi had continued normal life at heya after the January incident but now is kyujo evidently due to the broken bone in the neck.

Which means it's Iwanaga, as he's the only one who's kyujo at Michinoku-beya right now.

(I'm guessing Nara)?

Yes, has to be him; the Hochi article said he won by hatakikomi on Day 10, and Nara's the only one who fits.

So which one is it? Or are these two different events we're talking about?

[Kintamayama 40,725]

The rikishi had continued normal life at heya after the January incident but now is kyujo evidently due to the broken bone in the neck.

Which means it's Iwanaga, as he's the only one who's kyujo at Michinoku-beya right now.

(I'm guessing Nara)?

Yes, has to be him; the Hochi article said he won by hatakikomi on Day 10, and Nara's the only one who fits.

So which one is it? Or are these two different events we're talking about?

Two different events. Iwanaga was hit by Toyozakura, Nara was hit by his Oyakata Magaki.

There is talk that the Oyakata wants Nara to change his shikona to Onara as a gesture of apology, but I say that's a lot of gas.

[Kintamayama 40,725]

There is a good chance that Magaki Oyakata will be ousted from his post as riji. Many voices are calling for measures to be taken against him. The loudest belongs to Touno Takeo , ex-Nittaidai, member of the CREEP foundation against relapse.. "I saw him on TV saying it happens in every heya and that really pissed me off. We are trying to embark on a new journey after what happened at Tokitsukaze. If this guy doesn't understand the changes, he cannot remain a riji!! A stern reprimand ain't enough", he exclaimed. Some Oyakata are thinking along the same lines. "It makes you wonder what he thinks a riji's responsibility is..", said one. "I can't comment till I have all the details..", said Kitanoumi Rijicho. "I am entrusting everything to the rijikai", said the doomed Magaki Oyakata

The next rijikai will be held on May 29th.

Magaki Oyakata after aplologizing to the CREEP foundation:

Edited May 24, 2008 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 40,725]

The rumors are saying Magaki Oyakata will get a salary cut (no mention for how long) tomorrow at the rijikai following the butt-hitting incident. OTOH, he won't lose his riji job, say the kankeisha (the ones that are connected..). Same goes for Toyozakura and Kirishima oyakata. The general feeling is that owing to the atmosphere surrounding ill-treatment of rikishi lately, these three have to be punished in some visible way.

[That-Satsu-Guy 1]

30% pay cuts for three months for Toyozakura and Magaki oyakata

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080529-00000039-yom-spo

[ryafuji 760]

30% pay cuts for three months for Toyozakura and Magaki oyakata

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080529-00000039-yom-spo

no action against Michinoku oyakata?

[Jonosuke 28]

Initially Kitanoumi oyakata felt the matter was closed after he handed down a severe reprimand to the three guilty parties. But rather fierce public outcries made the other Kyokai directors uneasy and made them more reactionary. 30% pay cut fof three months may be enough for Toyozakura and Michinoku but Magaki may lose his seat in the board.

The directors are telling every oyakata and rikishi to smarten up considering the current climate and any who may step out of bounds may face a severe penalty from now on.

While the Kyokai appeared to stop the decline in popularity, it won't help when TV networks keep showing bruises suffered by young rikishi daily so they had to act decisively and show everyone that they are doing something about the problem.

[rhino 0]

I find it unbelievable that the Magaki oyakata is being punished potentially more harshly than Toyozakura and Michinoku. Hitting someone with a cane might be considered violent, but it is not in the same league as cutting someone's head open by beating them with heavy objects. If it was up to me (which, perhaps luckily, it isn't) I would put Toyozakura and his oyakata on enforced kyujo for a couple of tournaments at least. I understand that it's because Magaki is a riji, but it just seems wrong to me.

I'm not even sure that canes should be banned. I recall reading an interview on here where Kotonowaka and ex-Kotozakura actually waxed nostalgic about the "tough love" they were given on their way up the ranks. This is a legitimate part of sumo in my opinion.

[hidenohana 0]

I find it unbelievable that the Magaki oyakata is being punished potentially more harshly than Toyozakura and Michinoku. Hitting someone with a cane might be considered violent, but it is not in the same league as cutting someone's head open by beating them with heavy objects. If it was up to me (which, perhaps luckily, it isn't) I would put Toyozakura and his oyakata on enforced kyujo for a couple of tournaments at least. I understand that it's because Magaki is a riji, but it just seems wrong to me.

I'm not even sure that canes should be banned. I recall reading an interview on here where Kotonowaka and ex-Kotozakura actually waxed nostalgic about the "tough love" they were given on their way up the ranks. This is a legitimate part of sumo in my opinion.

http://archive.salon.com/people/feature/20...umo/index2.html

Quote:Wakanohana can't get sentimental; death cannot become a fear. "You often hear about trainees found floating in the bath after practice," he remarks deadpan. "Their hearts stop beating -- I have seen some bad stuff: Broken necks and protruding collarbones are common injuries."

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/caple/021115.html

Quote:"He told us about some of the hazing rituals they do which don't get talked about much," Fetters said. "It's like in football, but worse. He said one guy was doing pushups and a sumo put a knife under his throat and held it there while he was doing them.

We all know of course the 'tough love' Chiyonofuji famously gave Hokutenyu's little brother. (Sign of disapproval...)

It's all part and parcel of the sport,I guess! (Clapping wildly...)

[rhino 0]

http://archive.salon.com/people/feature/20...umo/index2.html

Quote:Wakanohana can't get sentimental; death cannot become a fear. "You often hear about trainees found floating in the bath after practice," he remarks deadpan. "Their hearts stop beating -- I have seen some bad stuff: Broken necks and protruding collarbones are common injuries."

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/caple/021115.html

Quote:"He told us about some of the hazing rituals they do which don't get talked about much," Fetters said. "It's like in football, but worse. He said one guy was doing pushups and a sumo put a knife under his throat and held it there while he was doing them.

We all know of course the 'tough love' Chiyonofuji famously gave Hokutenyu's little brother. (Sign of disapproval...)

It's all part and parcel of the sport,I guess! (Clapping wildly...)

Wow, I had no idea. Shows how much I know!

Anyway clearly there has to be a line. It should be clear enough that if I'm shocked by Toyozakura battering a deshi with a pan, I am also shocked by this kind of stuff and would hope not to be interpreted as endorsing it.

I am not so shocked by Shikoroyama or Magaki oyakata dispensing whacks to rikishi's backsides at keiko. Maybe that makes me some sort of maniac but I doubt I'm the only one who thinks there's a difference.

Edit: maybe you interpreted me as being in favour of abuse of junior rikishi. Short answer: I'm not.

Edited May 29, 2008 by rhino

[ilovesumo 12]

Same infos, other paper (I dunno...)

http://mainichi.jp/enta/sports/general/new...050065000c.html Japanese

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/sports/news/2008053...0sp006000c.html English

"Michinoku, who heads the stable to which Toyozakura belongs, was also reprimanded over the incident."

Edited May 30, 2008 by ilovesumo

[Kintamayama 40,725]

Magaki Oyakata leaving the meeting:

[Jonosuke 28]

It's rather interesting to see Takanohana greeting him at the door with stern face. As a child I am sure Koji had a fond memory of the former Yokozuna Wakanohana as well as a relation a long ago.

[Kintamayama 40,725]

It's rather interesting to see Takanohana greeting him at the door with stern face. As a child I am sure Koji had a fond memory of the former Yokozuna Wakanohana as well as a relation a long ago.

I actually thought it was uncharacteristically compassionate, and that it was no coincidence that Takanohana of all the rijis was the one to see him off at the door.

Edited May 30, 2008 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari 16,844]

... and that it was no coincidence that Takanohana of all the rijis was the one to see him off at the door.

Except that Takanohana isn't a...you know.

[Kintamayama 40,725]

... and that it was no coincidence that Takanohana of all the rijis was the one to see him off at the door.

Except that Takanohana isn't a...you know.

Isn't he? I was sure he is-wasn't he the youngest ever or something? Or did you mean a bouncer??

[Jonosuke 28]

I think Takanohana is an equivalent officer but not Riji or Kanji who is elected. He is appointed for the fact is he is the associate director of Juding. That qualifies him to attend the Rij meeting as the member.

[Kintamayama 40,725]

I think Takanohana is an equivalent officer but not Riji or Kanji who is elected. He is appointed for the fact is he is the associate director of Juding. That qualifies him to attend the Rij meeting as the member.

I stand corrected. He still looks compassionate, notwithstanding..

[Umigame 82]

It was reported in several sources that the police filed papers on Toyozakura to the public prosecutor's office yesterday. Toyozakura was quoted in Sports Hochi saying, "I can only say I'm sorry. I am full of remorse."

Isenoumi oyakata said, "The Kyokai is dealing with this and he (Toyozakura) is reflecting on his deeds. We want him to be careful from now on."

I don't imagine this case will actually go to court, so I guess this is the extent of the punishment for Toyozakura? A 30% pay cut for 3 months, a mark on his police record, and the associated public shame.