Wakanoho-Tochinonada

[Hakuyobaku 33]

It looked like Tochinonada wasn't nice to the Russian. After a longish bout, after tremendous resistance on the edge from Nada, Waka was finally able to push him out. In the process, Waka's sagari ended up in Nada's hands. The Ossetian stretched his hand asking for it, and Nada just threw the sagari to the dohyo on Waka's side. Wasn't nice. Wahanoho gave him a long look. All this might be a stream effect/my imagination.

[Asojima 2,874]

It looked like Tochinonada wasn't nice to the Russian. After a longish bout, after tremendous resistance on the edge from Nada, Waka was finally able to push him out. In the process, Waka's sagari ended up in Nada's hands. The Ossetian stretched his hand asking for it, and Nada just threw the sagari to the dohyo on Waka's side. Wasn't nice. Wahanoho gave him a long look. All this might be a stream effect/my imagination.

Looked to me like simple confusion over whose sagari it was. I didn't detect any apparent hostility.

[Kintamayama 45,345]

Total hostility. Wakanohou gave him an extra shove of frustration, Nada blatantly threw Waka's sagari onto the dohyo-Waka gave him a prolonged dirty look, to which the crowd reacted. It was a spirited match with Nada surviving excellently on the edge twice.

No doubt about it-incident which will be mentioned in the papers.

[sekihiryu 51]

I noticed something but wasnt paying much attention, dont know if Wakas shove was anything to write home about, but he did seem pretty peeved about the sagari.

Will watch it again on Sumo digest tonight if they show it.

Edited March 23, 2008 by sekihiryu

[Asojima 2,874]

Replayed my captured fuzzy vision several times. Noho pushed Nada out and then fell out after him. No malicious push. Noho handed Nada his sagari. Nada dropped Noho's on the floor. Noho looked a little surprised/distressed. A yobidashi picked up Noho's sagari and handed it to him.

[Kintamayama 45,345]

Replayed my captured fuzzy vision several times. Noho pushed Nada out and then fell out after him. No malicious push. Noho handed Nada his sagari. Nada dropped Noho's on the floor. Noho looked a little surprised/distressed. A yobidashi picked up Noho's sagari and handed it to him.

Nada obviously felt it was malicious.. But we shall wait and see.. It is fuzzy and you have the benefit of a replay, but the cameraman really focused on their faces, something he usually does not do if there is no reason..

And, I have been known to be dead wrong about stuff like this in the past. Still..

[Mikiro 0]

I replayed my fuzzy wuzzy like Asojima and he has it exactly right, Wakanoho being the gentleman and Tochinonada being rude. Wakanoho did a double take as he was definitely surprised.

[Kintamayama 45,345]

I replayed my fuzzy wuzzy like Asojima and he has it exactly right, Wakanoho being the gentleman and Tochinonada being rude. Wakanoho did a double take as he was definitely surprised.

Asojima thinks nothing happened and no one was rude, just a simple misunderstanding, to which I disagree, not putting the blame on either rikishi-there just seemed to be a more than usual kerfuffle after the match to me.

[Kotobaru 0]

Replayed my captured fuzzy vision several times. Noho pushed Nada out and then fell out after him. No malicious push. Noho handed Nada his sagari. Nada dropped Noho's on the floor. Noho looked a little surprised/distressed. A yobidashi picked up Noho's sagari and handed it to him.

Yes everything was so but Nada didn't drop Noho's sagari, he threw it on to floor. He was really pissed. Then Noho stared at him with amazement. It was a small incident, compare the behavior of this two - Noho handing over opponent's sagari and Nada throwing it into the dirt! (In a state of confusion...)

Edited March 23, 2008 by Kotobaru

[Harry 67]

Yes, in the exchange both men ended up with each others' sagari's in their hands. Waka handed his to Nada who threw Waka's! But in a moment a gyoji gave Waka his sagari and it seemed to be over. We'll have to see if he still remembers it in May.

[Zuikakuyama 1]

I didn't really see much, even in this replay.

Wakanoho - Tochinonada

[madorosumaru 7]

After Wakanoho forced Tochinonada out of the ring, he gave the older rikishi an extra shove at dohyo-side.

Takanohana Oyakata warned the young Russian afterwards, "I told him he had to be very careful. He should never do anything that might injure a spectator."

The kid apparently realized the error of his way, "I got too spirited. The next time I see [Tochi], I will apologize to him. I was wrong."

Edited March 23, 2008 by madorosumaru

[Ossetian Yokozuna 1]

It is obviously TAKANOHANA is bull shiting at this moment.

What is he saying about other rikishis who are flying to the 2-d or 3-d rank of spectators?

Is he ever hearing about inertia?

THERE WAS NO EXTRA PULL.

First of all he should point out to TOCHINONADAs bad manners.

( TOCHINONADA will pay for this in time. )

( THINKING befor SPEACKING. )

[Asashosakari 19,500]

( TOCHINONADA will pay for this in time. )

Yaocho?

[Ossetian Yokozuna 1]

Asashosakari -

What does it mean - Yaocho?

[marujama 0]

What does it mean - Yaocho?

For the meaning you have to look here!

[Ossetian Yokozuna 1]

marujama -

Thanks.

Asashosakari -

It is difficalt to imagine what may be connecting YAOCHO and SAGARI THROWING.

SAGARI THROWING is insulting.

WAKANOHO will make TOCHINONADA to pay for this insulting.

[Kintamayama 45,345]

WAKANOHO will make TOCHINONADA to pay for this insulting.

Take it easy. This isn't K-1 or some other wrestling nonsense. Nobody makes anyone PAY for anything. This is Sumo. It's about time you understood this, OY. If Tochinonada needs some one to talk to him about his rudeness, someone will talk to him, be sure of that. Wakanohou did the right thing by not being provoked. Or did you want him to get thrown out of the next basho like Rohou? What good did it do to Rohou?

Good thing he can't listen to your advice.

[Asashosakari 19,500]

Nobody makes anyone PAY for anything.

Except for, well, you know. Which was the basis for my joke above, but as usual OY's machismo-by-proxy attitude was just too impenetrable...

[Kintamayama 45,345]

Nobody makes anyone PAY for anything.

Except for, well, you know. Which was the basis for my joke above, but as usual OY's machismo-by-proxy attitude was just too impenetrable...

Yes, I know, but I was alluding to the physical payment connotation which is usually..yeah, well.

[Harry 67]

WAKANOHO will make TOCHINONADA to pay for this insulting.

Take it easy. This isn't K-1 or some other wrestling nonsense....

Hmm, since when was K-1 kickboxing or Heroes wrestling? I suppose in knockout sports it is easier to make someone 'pay' but K-1 isn't 'worked' or 'shoot' wrestling AFAIK.

[Kintamayama 45,345]

Hmm, since when was K-1 kickboxing or Heroes wrestling? I suppose in knockout sports it is easier to make someone 'pay' but K-1 isn't 'worked' or 'shoot' wrestling AFAIK.

I meant from the "violence aspect", not the "staged" aspect. The aspect of the violent language and violent vocabulary used which has no place in a sumo forum!!!

[kame 0]

ha. good thread. it was a really good fight by both and they put everything they had left in it. it all comes down to, as Asia would say, the heat of the moment. the way i saw it, Wakanoho gave that extra push outside the dohyo to slow himself down so he wouldn't run into spectators. oh, the irony. no ill will there. of course, Tochinonada didn't know that.

Tochi's reaction woulda been different if he was fighting a senpai. i want to think he'd have reacted the same way if it was one of the up and coming Japanese guys.

[kaiguma 0]

I didn't really see much, even in this replay.

Wakanoho - Tochinonada

Noho certainly did not give any extra push. It was just his own momentum, as suggested by OY.

And while OY's payback comment is funny to me and moderately offensive maybe to others, it is just as funny to say there is "no payback" in Ozumo. Maybe not for 2 basho in 2007, but as long as Asashoryu is around there certainly is. He is known to deliver the payback in degeiko and on the dohyo the coming basho to anyone who has beaten him previously.

And above all, violence is bad.

The real reason I chime in so late, is to call attention to Noho doing The Twist at 1:04. Not to be missed!!!

[Kintamayama 45,345]

Noho certainly did not give any extra push.

To quote Madoru-san's post:

"After Wakanoho forced Tochinonada out of the ring, he gave the older rikishi an extra shove at dohyo-side.

Takanohana Oyakata warned the young Russian afterwards, "I told him he had to be very careful. He should never do anything that might injure a spectator."

The kid apparently realized the error of his way, "I got too spirited. The next time I see [Tochi], I will apologize to him. I was wrong."

Wakanohou himself admitted it, Takanohana warned him, and it's still not a duck??