Ruziklao 34 Posted March 20, 2008 C'mon, boys, henka or not henka... it depends on the definition of one. I didn't see an actual henka from wakanoho but it def was, as has been mentioned, kyokushuzan sumo, so following the kanji meaning it was henka! either way, he pulled exactly the same move vs Kokkai so prolly Kaiou is partly to blame. he did seem more upset at himself. Close to my view. What I have seen - and watched repeatedly - it was the movement of Wakanoho. He moved forward with all part of his body at the beginning. Hands obviously the most, but also torso and feet. Only after the first jump he stopped and pulled Kaio down. I wonder, what the opponent was doing or thinking of doing. Seems to me like Wakanoho started quicker and capitalized on Kaio's expectation of impact, quickly changing movement direction from forward to slightly backward. All in all, although it surely was not forward sumo from Wakanoho, I think it is more Kaio's fault as he was not able to respond to the change. Of course he is not among the youngest there anymore (Showing respect...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 530 Posted March 20, 2008 Nada was 0-6 but is now 6-6 so 6 in a row while Potsu injured his shoulder and has gone from 4-0 to 4-8 and goes back to juryo. Tochinonada and Miyabiyama are the comeback kings.... Didn't Tochinonada one time start a basho 0-5 but finish 10-5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted March 20, 2008 Didn't Tochinonada one time start a basho 0-5 but finish 10-5? even better .. from 0-4 to 11-4 and Jun-yusho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted March 20, 2008 I don't think Asa took a dive either. If you watch the previous day's match with Chiyotaikai he had almost as poor a tachiai but Taikai couldn't quite seal the deal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMqcI3pofME Baruto's chances and his sumo this basho?Yusho? Zero chance. Chance of remembering to take the kensho before leaving the dohyo? Much higher after todays embarrassing little slip. Thanks for mentioning this! I forgot! That was the funniest thing after he won he was about to get the chikaramizu when the gyoji motioned, "Forget something?" "Oh yeah, the dough!" Too funny! Added to a strange but wonderful night of sumo IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,783 Posted March 20, 2008 Picking up where Bealzbob and I left off a few days ago... So, my question is, if there were 6 viable demotees from makuuchi but not necessarily 6 viable promotees from juryo, would the NSK be more inclined to demote the 6 and over-promote or would they keep a lucky makuuchi up ? (snip) At any rate, I think it's too early to worry about a numbers disparity yet. Still plenty of time to schedule exchange bouts to hopefully create a clearer picture, one way or another. So much for that. (Showing respect...) Looks like nobody wants to be promoted from juryo this time, and even exchange bouts can't really fix it anymore...already four sure demotions, and Otsukasa looks bad enough that we can probably assume he won't go from 4-8 to 7-8, and will be #5. I'm guessing that Toyohibiki and Kakizoe may already be safe, and Yoshikaze and Wakakirin will need only one more win rather than the usual two. Still, I wonder who's going to fill those five slots... Well, I'm rooting for a Kobokasuga (TM Kaikitsune) makuuchi debut, if only because that makes next basho's UDH 6-pointer an easy decision. (Whistling...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted March 20, 2008 Kobokasuga (TM Kaikitsune) priceless ... describes perfectly the impact this rikishi's presence has on me .... none (Showing respect...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted March 20, 2008 All the dilly-dallying at the top of juryo bodes well for Tamanoshima's immediate re-promotion with 9-3 from J5e Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ogi 0 Posted March 20, 2008 It was a good show from NSK today (Showing respect...) . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
higginbotham 0 Posted March 20, 2008 Wakanoho doing a henka? nah .... that was just "Kyokushuzan-style" tachi-ai. Both arms stretched to receive the opponent and then pull-down. No henka involved. Kaio didn't go all out .... (Showing respect...) Therefore no one can ask the reason Wakanoho is annoying... Kisenosato and Miyabiyama gave a nice passionate battle. Many tsuppari (that favored Miya) and some yotsu at the end (should have favored Kise but actually didn't) and a finish with lots of huffs and puffs. Kisenosato's stamina is horrible. You just cannot lose mainly because you are out of breath against Miya (who is much older too). Kisenato's loss, the way it went on, was really surprising as a 21 year old rikishi by far is not expected to be out of breath, but don't underestimate Miyabiyama's physical conditions. Chiyotakai underlined the good stamina of both after their matchup on day 1. Sorry to disturb your argy-bargy, but what do you experts think about Baruto's chances and his sumo this basho? Who might be the last two opponents etc.Thank you! It has been very discussed on the Estonian forum along with everyday matchup discussions but here you can't await the same focus, although they are interesting matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted March 20, 2008 With the 2 yokozuna losing today I'm not so sure you can say so definitively that Baruto's yusho chances are zero anymore. Maybe I'm over-estimating him but to me he is a potential ozeki-standard rikishi (injury permitting) and no-one outside the 2 yokozuna can be too confident against a genki Baruto. With him now sharing joint 2nd place with Hakuho (and O3) if he was to win out and finish 13-2 it'd certainly make the Y-Y bout very interesting on senshuraku. Maybe we could rename the 'Hokutoriki yusho watch' thread (Showing respect...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bilu 0 Posted March 20, 2008 I have to say that the Asa-Giku bout looked a bit strange. It seems like Asa was 'lending his chest' - no effort whatsoever to shake Giku off, to stop his moving forward. He had a left grip, then lost it, then regained it - but he never used it. No apparent use of his right also. And yes, there was some 'effort' at the edge... Still, it looked more like he was acting then actually fighting... Asa looked very sharp this basho. Today's sumo was listless. Strange indeed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ogi 0 Posted March 20, 2008 See on info-sumo today's info page news. If you have the 2 Yokozuna's face can see, you know what I am talking about. So nervous and Hakuho sweat? Why? Normal he always sits quietly with eyes closed there. Maybe he was nervous because he 1.Mal since he Yokozuna, these dirty NSK show had to join. And Asa seemed so angry and sad because he knows that he has already lost before the fight. Kotoshogiku and what Chyotaiktai were so sure that what they knew. But this is just my conjecture, and therefore censored Yaoohooooooo?????? (Showing respect...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fay 1,677 Posted March 20, 2008 But Asashoryu made it a race again by losing as well, to sekiwake Kotoshogiku. Good choice of words. Absolutely no effort from Asashoryu today. Dive Would it have been Waka-nono instead of Kotoshogiku, I'm sure we would have read a completely different story (Showing respect...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted March 20, 2008 J12w Tosayutaka (5-7) tsukidashi Ms2w Wakatenro (3-4) thank you Gorilla-man ... (I am not worthy...) Why? Daiyubu getting the promotion independent of the 7th win? :-O :-O Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zingo 0 Posted March 20, 2008 Hmmm... my earlier comment was not so much on wether Baruto will yusho or not this time... Nor the probability of another Takatoriki.... Sorry if I'm vague here... What I wonder is the following:::: If we, for the forseeable future, have two dominant guys that rarely lets someone else be a real threat to yusho... and thereby no real need to, "prematurely" stop anyone coming from behind... allowing such guys to end up with perhaps 12-3 jy instead of perhaps 10-5 if they were regarded as serious threats..... If so.... i) any overall implications promotionwise for guys with lower ranking? - Given that it's not the same guy that "does it" many times in a row... since then he would be promoted rather quickly into the joi and thereby facing all the big guys... ii) easier to "run" up the ranks?.... and potentially higher volatility within the maegashira community?, ie if you're allowed to "score" you will get a high rank that you can't hold and thereby dropping more drastically the next basho than if you would have been nuked earlier on.. iii) any other implication at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted March 21, 2008 But Asashoryu made it a race again by losing as well, to sekiwake Kotoshogiku. Good choice of words. Absolutely no effort from Asashoryu today. Dive Another effortless dive from Asashoryu today obviously. He is so sure of the yusho that he can allow to give Kotomitsuki the important win towards kachi-koshi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 635 Posted March 21, 2008 But Asashoryu made it a race again by losing as well, to sekiwake Kotoshogiku. Good choice of words. Absolutely no effort from Asashoryu today. Dive Another effortless dive from Asashoryu today obviously. He is so sure of the yusho that he can allow to give Kotomitsuki the important win towards kachi-koshi. or Maybe Asashoryu has an entry in the "Guess the Kotomitsuki" game.. (I am not worthy...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted March 21, 2008 But Asashoryu made it a race again by losing as well, to sekiwake Kotoshogiku. Good choice of words. Absolutely no effort from Asashoryu today. Dive Would it have been Waka-nono instead of Kotoshogiku, I'm sure we would have read a completely different story ;-) Yes - no doubt we would be hearing about the valiant efforts of the Russian and his brilliant victory, not to mention of course his fantastic tachi-ai strategy. Oh bother I mentioned it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted March 21, 2008 it have been Waka-nono instead of Kotoshogiku, I'm sure we would have read a completely different storyYes - no doubt we would be hearing about the valiant efforts of the Russian and his brilliant victory, not to mention of course his fantastic tachi-ai strategy. Oh bother I mentioned it... Oh the bitter word. Put the handbags away ladies. Ye don't have such a grip on alternative realities as all that. I'll be happy to settle for my superior grip on the actual reality and leave you to worry about the alternative ones. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gusoyama 95 Posted March 21, 2008 I'd put my two cents in the "non-henka, but ugly sumo" camp for Wakanoho yesterday. Kaio's slowness did him in, plain and simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,783 Posted March 21, 2008 I'd put my two cents in the "non-henka, but ugly sumo" camp for Wakanoho yesterday. Kaio's slowness did him in, plain and simple. To me, it almost looked like he was faking a hasso-tobi... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kobayashi 0 Posted March 21, 2008 I have a question. When was the last time both/all yokozunas lost their boots at the same day without fusen? I didn't know how to squeeze this out from sumodb.sumogames. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madorosumaru 7 Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) I have a question. When was the last time both/all yokozunas lost their boots at the same day without fusen?I didn't know how to squeeze this out from sumodb.sumogames. Thanks. Day2 Kyushu 2003. Asashoryu lost to Tochinonada and Musashimaru to Kyokutenho, both by yorikiri. That was Musashimaru's last basho as he retired after dropping out on Day 8. Edited March 21, 2008 by madorosumaru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted March 23, 2008 Wakano-hop Is this part of your superior grip? (In a state of confusion...) Well, naturally. (Actually, I rather like the guy, other discussions notwithstanding.) :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
