Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted January 22, 2008 Sekiwake Ama catched Hakuho on a wrong foot as he was able to twist the yokozuna out and down to force the first loss on the yusho arasoi leader. Asashoryu had no troubles with Wakanosato to pull even with Hakuho. Kyokutenho also joined the yusho lead at 9-1 with a win over young Tochiozan. From tomorrow the veteran Mongolian's opponents will be tougher, albeit slowly starting with 7-3 Asasekiryu who easily lost to Kotooshu today. Kyokutenho actually is leading the career head-to-head 6-4 against the fellow Mongolian. Kaio also had a strong bout, dominating Aminishiki on his way to his seventh win. The third ozeki also won quickly as Kotomitsuki beat Roho to level his score at 5-5. Kisenosato also is 7-3, showing more strength than Toyonoshima with the other lead maegashira Tokitenku at 5-5 with a quick ketaguri win, sending komusubi Dejima to make-koshi. Kakuryu and Futeno are kachi-koshi already with wins and even involved in the yusho race, just one win behind the three Mongolian leaders. Hoshihikari brought the juryo leader Kitataiki down with an uwatenage win, joining the lead along with Kitazakura who beat shin-juryo Tamawashi in a bout between two pursuers. Sakaizawa and Tochinoshin won to stay one behind at 7-3. Hoshihikari started 8-2 last basho as well, but finished only 9-6. In fact, he had a bad last third in all of his three sekitori basho, compiling a meager 4-11 from days 11 to 15, so it is on him to prove he can turn it up in the yusho race. Ushiomaru, Satoyama and Kirinowaka are make-koshi already, the last two dangerously close to makushita already. Katayama avoided make-koshi again and is 3-7 after a 0-7 start. Day 10 Juryo Ms1e Kyokunankai (4-2) hatakikomi J13e Kirinowaka (2-8) J10e Masatsukasa (5-5) shitatedashinage J14e Wakakoyu (5-5) J10w Asofuji (3-7) oshidashi J11w Kimurayama (4-6) J9w Shirononami (6-4) yorikiri J14w Tochinohana (3-7) J8e Kitazakura (8-2) yorikiri J13w Tamawashi (7-3) J12w Tochinoshin (7-3) yorikiri J7e Mokonami (5-5) J7w Shunketsu (3-7) oshidashi J12e Satoyama (2-8) J9e Katayama (3-7) yoritaoshi J6e Ushiomaru (2-8) J5e Hochiyama (5-5) oshidashi J8w Hakuba (6-4) J5w Hoshihikari (8-2) uwatenage J11e Kitataiki (8-2) J4w Otsukasa (5-5) yorikiri J2e Chiyohakuho (3-7) J3e Sakaizawa (7-3) yorikiri J2w Ryuo (5-5) J3w Hakurozan (5-5) uwatenage J1e Kasuganishiki (3-7) J6w Toyozakura (5-5) yoritaoshi J1w Koryu (5-5) Makuuchi M15w Yoshikaze (4-6) yoritaoshi M14e Takamisakari (4-6) J4e Kotokasuga (6-4) yorikiri M13w Tamanoshima (2-8) M13e Iwakiyama (7-3) yorikiri M12w Tosanoumi (2-8) M11w Kasugao (6-4) kotenage M16e Ichihara (5-5) M10e Wakanoho (7-3) uwatenage M16w Kaiho (5-5) M10w Kyokutenho (9-1) hikiotoshi M15e Tochiozan (6-4) M12e Futeno (8-2) yorikiri M9e Kokkai (6-4) M8e Kakuryu (8-2) yorikiri M7e Takekaze (7-3) M8w Toyohibiki (3-7) tsukiotoshi M7w Homasho (3-7) M11e Kakizoe (2-8) hikiotoshi M6w Hokutoriki (5-5) M9w Wakakirin (3-7) tsukidashi M5w Tamakasuga (3-7) M3w Tochinonada (3-7) shitatehineri M6e Baruto (4-6) M3e Goeido (3-7) hatakikomi M2w Miyabiyama (4-6) M1e Kisenosato (7-3) yorikiri M2e Toyonoshima (4-6) M1w Tokitenku (5-5) ketaguri K1w Dejima (2-8) O1w Kotomitsuki (5-5) uwatedashinage M5e Roho (3-7) O2w Kotooshu (7-3) oshidashi M4w Asasekiryu (7-3) O2e Kaio (7-3) oshidashi S1e Aminishiki (5-5) S1w Ama (6-4) uwatenage Y1e Hakuho (9-1) Y1w Asashoryu (9-1) yorikiri M4e Wakanosato (3-7) Day 11 Juryo Ms2e Sagatsukasa (3-2) J14w Tochinohana (3-7) J14e Wakakoyu (5-5) Ms3e Wakatenro (3-2) J13e Kirinowaka (2-8) Ms1w Tochisakae (2-3) J11e Kitataiki (8-2) J13w Tamawashi (7-3) J9e Katayama (3-7) J11w Kimurayama (4-6) J12e Satoyama (2-8) J8w Hakuba (6-4) J8e Kitazakura (8-2) J9w Shirononami (6-4) J7e Mokonami (5-5) J10e Masatsukasa (5-5) J12w Tochinoshin (7-3) J6w Toyozakura (5-5) J6e Ushiomaru (2-8) J10w Asofuji (3-7) J5e Hochiyama (5-5) J4w Otsukasa (5-5) J7w Shunketsu (3-7) J3w Hakurozan (5-5) J3e Sakaizawa (7-3) J5w Hoshihikari (8-2) J4e Kotokasuga (6-4) J2w Ryuo (5-5) Makuuchi M16w Kaiho (5-5) M15w Yoshikaze (4-6) M14e Takamisakari (4-6) J1e Kasuganishiki (3-7) J2e Chiyohakuho (3-7) M13w Tamanoshima (2-8) J1w Koryu (5-5) M12w Tosanoumi (2-8) M16e Ichihara (5-5) M9w Wakakirin (3-7) M9e Kokkai (6-4) M13e Iwakiyama (7-3) M11e Kakizoe (2-8) M8w Toyohibiki (3-7) M8e Kakuryu (8-2) M15e Tochiozan (6-4) M7e Takekaze (7-3) M12e Futeno (8-2) M10e Wakanoho (7-3) M6w Hokutoriki (5-5) M11w Kasugao (6-4) M5w Tamakasuga (3-7) M5e Roho (3-7) M6e Baruto (4-6) M10w Kyokutenho (9-1) M4w Asasekiryu (7-3) M7w Homasho (3-7) M3w Tochinonada (3-7) M2e Toyonoshima (4-6) M2w Miyabiyama (4-6) M3e Goeido (3-7) K1w Dejima (2-8) M1w Tokitenku (5-5) S1w Ama (6-4) O2e Kaio (7-3) M1e Kisenosato (7-3) M4e Wakanosato (3-7) O1w Kotomitsuki (5-5) O2w Kotooshu (7-3) Y1w Asashoryu (9-1) Y1e Hakuho (9-1) S1e Aminishiki (5-5) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilovesumo 12 Posted January 22, 2008 On Hoshihikari True. But don't you think it could be tactic to end up with a small KK in Juryo all the time? He's not ready yet for Makuuchi so it might be better not to reach it and bounce down, getting injured... Only my theory but he is a smart guy, that for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted January 22, 2008 On HoshihikariTrue. But don't you think it could be tactic to end up with a small KK in Juryo all the time? He's not ready yet for Makuuchi so it might be better not to reach it and bounce down, getting injured... Only my theory but he is a smart guy, that for sure. Certainly not all the time. In the first basho he finished 1-4, struggling to get the eighth win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted January 22, 2008 WOOOHOOO. Go Ama !! Game on. Now what are ya made of Hakuho :-) Day 15 is going to be AWESOME :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 635 Posted January 22, 2008 I'm kinda curious how days 12-14 are going to be for the Yokozuna. Kaio and Osh are looking good and I have to believe Mickey will have his intensity up for the Yokozuna. Wouldn't be too surprised at another 12-3 yusho.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 22, 2008 WOOOHOOO. Go Ama !! Game on. Now what are ya made of Hakuho :-) Day 15 is going to be AWESOME :-D Another basho, another steak. The yusho will be decided on day 14. Day 15 will be moot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted January 22, 2008 Humbug !! Let me hope :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted January 22, 2008 Humbug !! Let me hope :-D Apologies.. sometimes I get carried away. And sometimes by men in white coats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
messi19 0 Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) A third straight shukun-sho for Ama? I guess they'll be handing out two this time (Kisenosato and Ama) unless one of them fails to achieve his KK. edit: It would be too funny if Aminishiki actually upset Asashoryu for the 3rd time in a row. Each of the yokozuna would have their different Isegahama nemesis now while they seem to totally control the other one (Hakuho hasn't come close to losing to Aminishiki for a while now) Edited January 22, 2008 by messi19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bealzbob 0 Posted January 22, 2008 *?%&$ Ama and his henka's! A little harsh ;-) Twas hardly worthy of being framed and put on Roho's wall of fame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted January 22, 2008 no comments yet on Kokkai's "manly" display of sumo? ;-) nice tachi-ai man .... Baruto lost for a second day in a row to an utchari-looking kimarite. Has he forgotten the basics again? Or is his knee so stiff that he cannot bend it down at the tawara? Kaiho messed about during the shikiri and his tachi-ai was dreadful. I hope Yoshikaze's slapfest tomorrow will put some fire in him again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 203 Posted January 22, 2008 Sure ain't easy for yokozuna. Kotooshu looks very good now and could well force Shoryu into yotsu and win. Hakuho doesn't have easy foe either as Aminishiki has good chance. Also Kotomitsuki most likely gets hotter on second half causing problems to Hakuho at least and then there is U who looks surprisingly good now and can force yokozuna to hidariyotsu. Tough days ahead. Great basho. Nice to see Futeno genki. He has won 8 and lost one "by accident". Tenho is a total free rider having had two rather lucky wins in a row now and will get destroyed if matched against the yokozuna. Nevertheless, despite Shogun's medial collateral tear (can't be lateral if you see the image, classic medial collateral damage posture) and Taikai's misery, this has been awesome basho with super duper sumoU. Hoshihikari vs Sakaizawa is fun. Sakaizawa is the strongest lazy rikishi alive while Hoshihikari is the best moulding jelly of the universe and has the impact reception center the most accurate in the land of Japan. Will be interesting bout. Both are very welcome to makuuchi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,815 Posted January 22, 2008 Nasty ketaguri by Tokitenku. Why do they keep picking on poor Dejima? ;-) And Yoshikaze dealt Sakari a nice dose of his own medicine - well done! ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 22, 2008 Quick attempt at a torikumi preview for the top rankers for the remaining days: Day 11: Hakuho-Aminishiki Asashoryu-Kotooshu Day 12: Hakuho-Kotooshu Asashoryu-Aminishiki Day 13: Hakuho-Kaio Asashoryu-Kotomitsuki Day 14: Hakuho-Kotomitsuki Asashoryu-Kaio Day 15: Hakuho-Asashoryu Kaio-Kotooshu Kotomitsuki-Aminishiki Kaio has an open date for Day 12, so perhaps he'll get Kyokutenho there. Ama is another possibility...he already has faced all sanyaku and only has the four M1 and M2 rikishi remaining, one of which could easily be swapped for Tenho at any point. And of course Aminishiki, but he'll have his hands full with both yokozuna and an ozeki already; using him as the maegashira stopper might be a bit cruel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted January 22, 2008 Another basho, another steak. Is that his secret? All this time I thought he was eating chanko... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaiguma 0 Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) *?%&$ Ama and his henka's! Since you have used an unexplained double posessive, and you are an English language teacher, I must assume that you have left out a word from that sentence. I will attempt to correct: "Praise Ama and his henka's absence!" Did I win the prize? (Sign of approval...) edit: not a henka. This time looking like a henka due to Hakuho's powerful harite. Edited January 23, 2008 by kaiguma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaiguma 0 Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) no comments yet on Kokkai's "manly" display of sumo? :-Pnice tachi-ai man .... Big props to Futeno for staying alive and wasting the wasted waster. Nasty ketaguri by Tokitenku. Why do they keep picking on poor Dejima? (Clapping wildly...) I wondered and wondered why Dejima kept holding his knees after that bout, since it appeared to be hatakikomi and Dejima rolled on the shoulder. Nevertheless, having a trailing leg kicked out from you when you have the huge momentum and mass of Dejima, that puts loads of undue stress on both knees. Dejima obviously has bad knees to begin with so I consider it cruel and maybe even intentional harm to the aite. These things should be taken into consideration with ketaguri - I believe there are provisions for taking away someone's win in such a case. (Sign of approval...) Edited January 23, 2008 by kaiguma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted January 23, 2008 A third straight shukun-sho for Ama? I guess they'll be handing out two this time (Kisenosato and Ama) unless one of them fails to achieve his KK. I thought that they only give out shukun-sho for beating the yusho winner? This time there's someone to catch Hakuho when he falters... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaiguma 0 Posted January 23, 2008 A third straight shukun-sho for Ama? I guess they'll be handing out two this time (Kisenosato and Ama) unless one of them fails to achieve his KK. I thought that they only give out shukun-sho for beating the yusho winner? This time there's someone to catch Hakuho when he falters... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's available (though not guaranteed) to anyone who can defeat a Yokozuna and still get KK. I seriously doubt it is for beating the yusho-winner, since the vote is held sometimes before yusho has been decided... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 23, 2008 No prize. What was missing was "Ama and his henka's ability to make ozumo's traditional keiko methods look ridiculous by handing someone who sat in their flat like a spoilt teen eating only soup before fecking off to Mongolia for a few months holiday the chance to take the yusho from rikishi who were doing keiko all the while. Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted January 23, 2008 A third straight shukun-sho for Ama? I guess they'll be handing out two this time (Kisenosato and Ama) unless one of them fails to achieve his KK. I thought that they only give out shukun-sho for beating the yusho winner? This time there's someone to catch Hakuho when he falters... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's available (though not guaranteed) to anyone who can defeat a Yokozuna and still get KK. I seriously doubt it is for beating the yusho-winner, since the vote is held sometimes before yusho has been decided... Many times a reward is conditional, such as for a rikishi winning his final match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaiguma 0 Posted January 23, 2008 A third straight shukun-sho for Ama? I guess they'll be handing out two this time (Kisenosato and Ama) unless one of them fails to achieve his KK. I thought that they only give out shukun-sho for beating the yusho winner? This time there's someone to catch Hakuho when he falters... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's available (though not guaranteed) to anyone who can defeat a Yokozuna and still get KK. I seriously doubt it is for beating the yusho-winner, since the vote is held sometimes before yusho has been decided... Many times a reward is conditional, such as for a rikishi winning his final match. Yes, but never conditional as in: "Ama will win the shukunsho as long as Hakuho wins the yusho tomorrow." Always seems to be conditional solely on the prospective award winner's performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaiguma 0 Posted January 23, 2008 *?%&$ Ama and his henka's! Since you have used an unexplained double posessive, and you are an English language teacher, I must assume that you have left out a word from that sentence. I will attempt to correct: "Praise Ama and his henka's absence!" Did I win the prize? (I am not worthy...) No prize. What was missing was "Ama and his henka's ability to make ozumo's traditional keiko methods look ridiculous by handing someone who sat in their flat like a spoilt teen eating only soup before fecking off to Thailand for some coke, ladyboys, boa constrictors, and elephantsa the chance to take the yusho from rikishi who were doing keiko all the while. Besides being hilarious, it's all rubbish. It wasn't a henka, or even the recently christened "henka in spirit." Tachi-ai was head on. Ama was slapped silly. He made every effort to recenter himself but Hakuho was quickly latched on his belt before Ama could get into a good position. Despite doing plenty of keiko, Hakuho is still a young buck and his nerves got the better of him. Not bad for only once in 10 days. As it were his attack had a huge hole in it and Ama exploited this, coincidentally being able to do so by having done even more keiko than Hakuho. Ama is king of keiko and will still do it until he pukes because he so badly wants to better himself. Let's not trivialize someone's genuine efforts and admirable results... So if John Gunning runs off with the yusho as a result of this match, Hakuho has only himself to blame, not Ama's [not-even-close-to-a]henka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted January 23, 2008 A third straight shukun-sho for Ama? I guess they'll be handing out two this time (Kisenosato and Ama) unless one of them fails to achieve his KK. I thought that they only give out shukun-sho for beating the yusho winner? This time there's someone to catch Hakuho when he falters... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's available (though not guaranteed) to anyone who can defeat a Yokozuna and still get KK. I seriously doubt it is for beating the yusho-winner, since the vote is held sometimes before yusho has been decided... Many times a reward is conditional, such as for a rikishi winning his final match. Yes, but never conditional as in: "Ama will win the shukunsho as long as Hakuho wins the yusho tomorrow." Always seems to be conditional solely on the prospective award winner's performance. The Japanese Wikipedia entry for Shukunsho is: 優勝争いに貢献し、あるいは自身も優勝の栄に達した場合に与えられる。優勝争いに絡むということは、横綱や大関に勝つということになることが多い。もし14勝で優勝した力士が生まれた場合は、唯一、土を付けた力士ということで、評価されて授賞対象となることもある。 Roughly, this means "The award is given to the rikishi who wins the yusho, or is in the 'yusho arasoi' until the end. In practice, it is often the case that the rikishi in the "yusho arasoi" has defeated ozekis and yokozunas. It is also often given in the case where the rikishi hands the eventual yusho winner his only defeat." So in general, the three cases the shukunsho are awarded are: 1. Rikishi wins the yusho 2. Rikishi is in the "yusho arasoi" 3. Rikishi hands the yusho winner his only defeat. Defeating a yokozuna alone is not enough. Several examples of this can be cited by people who aren't as lazy as I am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) Defeating a yokozuna alone is not enough. Perhaps not, but it doesn't take much more if the sansho committee is feeling generous. Aminishiki received the shukun-sho last May going 9-6 at M4e; he handed Asashoryu one of his five losses (while still-ozeki Hakuho went zensho), and the only other thing that might have qualified him for the prize was going 2-1 in his three ozeki bouts (which didn't include Hakuho). Pretty clearly none of the three aforementioned guidelines applied here. Edited January 23, 2008 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
