Sumo Reference Updates

[Asashosakari 19,094]

I found a tiny tiny issue in SumoReference: A number of bouts indicated as yasumi by Kimarite have the symbol for Hikiwake although there is even a symbol hoshi_yasumi.gif for this purpose.

here for instance

That's not limited to bouts with kimarite listed (starting in 1927), but also before, e.g. here. The problem is that there's a difference between the entries typically marked by hoshi_yasumi.gif (no bout scheduled at all) and these entries (scheduled bout cancelled for both rikishi due to absence by one or both).

That scoring was superseded by the fusen system in 1927 (the rare mutual absence would be a loss for both now, everything else is fusensho/fusenpai), although it looks like there were some ambiguous situations at first, see overlap in 1927.10 and 1928.01 between yasumi and fusen.

That said, the timelines already show the dash mask instead of the wake triangle for these "yasumi matches", so they should probably be standardized one way or the other...

Edited June 6, 2012 by Asashosakari

[Fukurou 534]

A possible glitch in Sumo Reference, starring Jonokuchi 13 West Morimune. He has had 2 matches this basho, the first on day 3, the 2nd on day 5. He won both. NSK website shows him as having a 2-0 record. Sumo Reference, which has not updated for day 5 as I type this, says he's 1-0-1. Why is Sumo Reference showing him as having been absent one day, when none of the other rikishi waiting for their records to update from day 5 are shown that way. Could it have something to do with his first match being on day 3?

[Doitsuyama 1,178]

A possible glitch in Sumo Reference, starring Jonokuchi 13 West Morimune. He has had 2 matches this basho, the first on day 3, the 2nd on day 5. He won both. NSK website shows him as having a 2-0 record. Sumo Reference, which has not updated for day 5 as I type this, says he's 1-0-1. Why is Sumo Reference showing him as having been absent one day, when none of the other rikishi waiting for their records to update from day 5 are shown that way. Could it have something to do with his first match being on day 3?

Well, how do you know that he wasn't absent for his first bout? Except looking it up on the NSK website, which isn't always error free, mind you.

[Fukurou 534]

A possible glitch in Sumo Reference, starring Jonokuchi 13 West Morimune. He has had 2 matches this basho, the first on day 3, the 2nd on day 5. He won both. NSK website shows him as having a 2-0 record. Sumo Reference, which has not updated for day 5 as I type this, says he's 1-0-1. Why is Sumo Reference showing him as having been absent one day, when none of the other rikishi waiting for their records to update from day 5 are shown that way. Could it have something to do with his first match being on day 3?

Well, how do you know that he wasn't absent for his first bout? Except looking it up on the NSK website, which isn't always error free, mind you.

That's why I wrote "a possible glitch".

[Naganoyama 5,884]

Kyokai has:

Day 3 : Morimune beat Shikinokawa by oshidashi

Day 5 : Morimune beat Ogata by sukuinage

[shumitto 418]

Does anyone have any idea why Kitaharima is listed on the kyokai website as 北はり磨, while the sumo db has him as 北磻磨 ?

Thank you in advance.

[Asameshimae 220]

My guess is that it is a rare kanji and will only register as something squiggly for many browsers and when the kyokai site webmaster noticed this he just changed it o hiragana to be on the safe side.

[shumitto 418]

Now that you've mentioned it, I think it is a very good guess. The 磻 kanji is quite uncommon indeed.

[Akinomaki 40,222]

On the NSK Twitter a rakugo program is announced, featuring 7^th yokozuna Inazuma in a thumb-wrestling story. When I looked in sumoreference, in the list only two ozeki are listed – the 2^nd being that yokozuna. Why isn't his highest rank shown as yokozuna in the list, like in his individual page ?

[Jakusotsu 5,892]

Even the indiviual page has Ozeki as highest rank. Was it an honorary title bestowed post-intai?

Edit: If you look here, the first 15 yokozuna have no active basho at that rank:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_stat.aspx?kaku=1

Looks like "yokozuna" wasn't a proper rank at that time.

Edited July 31, 2013 by Jakusotsu

[Akinomaki 40,222]

The yokozuna rank was first on the banzuke in 1890, but the individual pages of the yokozuna before that have on the top of the page under “Highest Rank” “Yokozuna”, the first 3 (those without records), e.g. Akashi, are also listed with that rank in the rikishi name search page – it should be possible to have that for the others, too.

[ronnie 221]

Wikipedia makes reference to a disputed Yokozuna license from the Osaka faction and then goes on to say that his rank was confirmed.

However, the graph of his career shows no higher than Ozeki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inazuma_Raigor%C5%8D

[Akinomaki 40,222]

I tried to find the ms tsukedashi who went makekoshi in their debut, so they had their first banzuke appearance as sandanme. This is as close as I could get.

I thought I would get it with basho 1 makushita debut and basho 2 sandanme debut, but that won't work, why ?

And TD in the rank constraint gets an error.

For the ms15TD MK is was easier, but they don't drop that far.

Edited July 31, 2013 by Akinomaki

[Asashosakari 19,094]

I thought I would get it with basho 1 makushita debut and basho 2 sandanme debut, but that won't work, why ?

For the same reason you can't have a "komusubi debut" if your first sanyaku appearance was at sekiwake, or a "first-time Maegashira 2" appearance if you already got promoted from M3 to M1 previously...it just makes no sense to talk about "achieving" a given rank if you were already ranked better than that.

And yes, TD/tsukedashi and other explanatory rank extensions like OB/off-banzuke or YO/yokozuna-ozeki can't be searched for, I assume they're stored separately from the actual banzuke rank.

BTW, why only sandanme? ;-)

[Akinomaki 40,222]

At last one I was looking for, tsukedashi position as his highest ever rank: Nishonoumi.

Unfortunately the TD isn't listed in “Highest Rank”

Finding that is tedious: I wanted to see the highest rank of the rikishi displayed, but the option apparently only lists the highest rank up to basho 1 – that is not what I call highest rank of a rikishi as an option alongside intai and first dohyo.

Edited July 31, 2013 by Akinomaki

[Asashosakari 19,094]

Finding that is tedious: I wanted to see the highest rank of the rikishi displayed, but the option apparently only lists the highest rank up to basho 1 – that is not what I call highest rank of a rikishi as an option alongside intai and first dohyo.

You're misinterpreting the purpose of that section in the query form. Heya, shusshin, height and weight also apply to the actual basho displayed in the results, not the whole career.

Does the rikishi listing of makushita starters not deliver what you're looking for?

Edited July 31, 2013 by Asashosakari

[Akinomaki 40,222]

you can't have a "komusubi debut" if your first sanyaku appearance was at sekiwake, or a "first-time Maegashira 2" appearance if you already got promoted from M3 to M1 previously...it just makes no sense to talk about "achieving" a given rank if you were already ranked better than that.

You're misinterpreting the purpose of that section in the query form. Heya, shusshin, height and weight also apply to the actual basho displayed in the results, not the whole career.

Does the rikishi listing of makushita starters not deliver what you're looking for?

That list is interesting, thanks, I didn't notice that this feature also exists. Unfortunately it doesn't list the entry tsukedashi rank, but those at the end are mostly what I'm looking for.

As to sanyaku debut as sekiwake: I can only get a list of direct promotion from maegashira to sekiwake and ignore all those who are listed with komusubi as highest rank (there I see the usefulness of the relative highest rank). If I restrain it to the maegashira as rank debut, several are missing who had reached a higher maegashira rank before than that of the jump to sekiwake.

But I think I once read about a shin-komusubi who had been sekiwake before - how do I find those basho - again only by looking at each individual page ?

Edited August 1, 2013 by Akinomaki

[Mark.Buckton 68]

found the Natsu Basho 1900 torikumi up to and including Day 7. Day by day scores (that far).

Released on a Waseda University paper.

Link won't 'link' but should add to the SR which is currently blank on day by days for that era if admin can find it.

[Muhomatsu 224]

You may have noticed the kanji for Kise-beya's Tsurubayashi is written in hiragana on the Kyokai's site. I note that the Sumo Reference Database uses the traditional Tsuru character in absence of having the proper one. I was unsure what the proper character was until I saw it on the NHK broadcast of the upper makushita division results on either day 14 or 15. It is "靏". A rain crane! Or should it be crain? I see why my wife says I have no good sense of humor.

Is that something that can be amended in the database?

[Koukai 4]

NSK site officially chanched Oshu's name to Karoyan Ando

http://www.sumo.or.jp/en/sumo_data/rikishi/profile?id=2510

[Fukurou 534]

Was Sumo Reference supposed to auto-update with the new banzuke? If so, it hasn't yet.

[Naganoyama 5,884]

Jonidan division goes down to #101 to include Sakai and Higohikari. At the moment the DB goes down to only #100 and those two rikishi are banzuke gai.

[Doitsuyama 1,178]

Jonidan division goes down to #101 to include Sakai and Higohikari. At the moment the DB goes down to only #100 and those two rikishi are banzuke gai.

Yes, must be a bug in my grabber when a banzuke page has only one row I guess. I corrected those two manually now.

[Asashosakari 19,094]

Your grabber probably just couldn't believe there are more than 100 ranks again. ;)

[Yamasanzan 93]

Tagonoura is not on the current kabu list.