Sumo Reference Updates

[Chiyotasuke 300]

The latest Ryogoku's change to 梶之助 Kajinosuke of given name kanji is missing in kanji form. Source https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/両国梶之助#改名歴

And misspellings on the English side: Hanaoseto -> Hananoseto correct

Mururaniwa -> Muroraniwa correct

Yariryuu -> Yariryu correct

[yorikiried by fate 2,029]

Maybe it's a known thing/featureoid etc. but today I noticed that in the rikishi win lists (English version) the shikona of some dudes (who had name changes at one or more points) are not the most current ones. See Kotozakura for instance, who is listed as Kotonowaka. Just the heads up, if this behaviour is not intended.

[specialweek 2 136]

on the fritz again.

[Chiyotasuke 300]

On the Haru 1913 banzuke, Umegatani should be the haridashi-yokozuna not Tachiyama, they're switched in the DB (seems like it was hositori's mistake originally). Due to this, it seems that their shikona given names swapped for that basho too (This is what made me investigate).

I found the real banzuke on this site https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e1159595558

[Asashosakari 19,543]

3 hours ago, Chiyotasuke said:

On the Haru 1913 banzuke, Umegatani should be the haridashi-yokozuna not Tachiyama, they're switched in the DB (seems like it was hositori's mistake originally). Due to this, it seems that their shikona given names swapped for that basho too (This is what made me investigate).

I found the real banzuke on this site https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e1159595558

Yeah, also supported by other older online sources (banzuke.com, Tachiyama and Umegatani at Takayama).

 

[specialweek 2 136]

Down again

[Heiyu 1]

Still down

[Doitsuyama 1,192]

I fixed a few bugs, so it should happen less often now that the website is down.

[Jakusotsu 6,017]

There's no kimarite yet for Sadanoumi-Tochitaikai on day 13 Hatsu 2025.

[Oskanohana 284]

3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

There's no kimarite yet for Sadanoumi-Tochitaikai on day 13 Hatsu 2025. 

Maybe they're debating if it's a verónica or a chicuelina. They really should adopt bullfighting names for the kimarite on some of these dodges. The word hikkake doesn't have that much flair.

[Asashosakari 19,543]

On 24/01/2025 at 14:06, Jakusotsu said:

There's no kimarite yet for Sadanoumi-Tochitaikai on day 13 Hatsu 2025.

BTW, it's probably almost irrelevant, but the fix didn't propagate from the DB proper to the games.

https://chaingang.sumogames.de/Bout.aspx?B=113571

[Ryoshishokunin 310]

For reasons unclear, the branchout of Hidenoyama-beya isn't noted on the kabu history for Hidenoyama (or for moto-Kotoshogiku).  I'm not sure if other events are also missing from the kabu portion of the db.

[Tamanaogijima 762]

6 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

For reasons unclear, Because of a lazy datakeeper, the branchout of Hidenoyama-beya isn't noted on the kabu history for Hidenoyama (or for moto-Kotoshogiku).  I'm not sure if other events are also missing from the kabu portion of the db.

Fixed that for you

I missed some of the Q4 developments in kabu land and just need to finally catch up. Thanks for reminding me...

Edit: After a quick look into it it seems that everything from Hidenoyama branchout on is missing. The last change before that was Aoiyama->Iwatomo, which is in the list.

Edited January 26 by Tamanaogijima

[Chiyotasuke 300]

Inami beat Michihaya in 2024.01 maezumo but but their hoshitori shows the opposite happening. Because of this, a query shows Michihaya as the only rikishi with 4 wins in maezumo.

On 20/01/2024 at 06:59, Asashosakari said:

Day 5

Results:

Mz4   Akiyama (0-3)           Mz10  Kato (1-2)
Mz1   Takeuchi (1-3)          Mz5   Kyokutairyu (2-1)
Mz3   Fujihara (1-2)          Mz6   Kyokutendo (2-1)
Mz9   Inami (3-0)             Mz2   Michihaya (2-1)
Mz13  Ayanofuji (2-1)         Mz7   Onozawa (3-0)
Mz12  Suzunofuji (2-1)        Mz11  Shibuya (0-3)

...

 

[rokudenashi 324]

A couple of given names for foreign rikishi to add. If I spot any more I'll append to this post.

• Ikazuchidō - 根利 (ねり, Neri)
• Gōseizan - 穣 (みのる, Minoru)

General errata...

• Kotokonno's real surname on his English profile is listed as Kotokonno - should just be Konno

Edited February 5 by rokudenashi

[Asashosakari 19,543]

Wakanoyama retired in August 2005 according to our kabu data for him, and therefore should not be listed as 0-0-7 for the September tournament.

Additional proof from an archived results page copy from the old sumo.goo.ne.jp site:

[Akinomaki 40,687]

I guess there are several foreign born Japanese with typical Japanese names now, who don't have the change listed yet - Ichinojo is one of them

11 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

actor Ichi has his film debut (no longer  Ichinnorow, as Japanese since Sep. 2021, Takashi Miura is his real name now - the DB needs an update http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12107)

 

[Chiyotasuke 300]

I could find 3 other Mongolian rikishi who've changed their names: Hakuho (using his shikona), Terunofuji (Suginomori Seizan 杉野森 正山) and Tamawashi (shikona).

Sources:

 

[Yubinhaad 11,736]

Hokutomaru's appearance in the yusho arasoi in the Kyushu basho saw his given name added - Akira / 明 / あきら

[Chiyotasuke 300]

23 hours ago, Chiyotasuke said:

I could find 3 other Mongolian rikishi who've changed their names: Hakuho (using his shikona), Terunofuji (Suginomori Seizan 杉野森 正山) and Tamawashi (shikona).

Thanks for taking the time to add the names, Mr Doitsuyama. I see that you forgot to add Tamawashi's on the English side

[Ripe 72]

Just noticed that default "List of Ozeki" still list Hoshoryu as Ozeki... while corresponding "List of Yokozuna" already list him as 74th Yokozuna.

[Gurowake 4,092]

47 minutes ago, Ripe said:

Just noticed that default "List of Ozeki" still list Hoshoryu as Ozeki... while corresponding "List of Yokozuna" already list him as 74th Yokozuna.

While I haven't noticed this before on previous Yokozuna promotions, it certainly has something to do with the fact that he's not a Yokozuna on any banzuke yet, but he is a Yokozuna.  I suspect it will be fixed when the banzuke comes out. 

[Asashosakari 19,543]

Over on Reddit a name discrepancy was brought up for 1950s komusubi Otachi today, stating it should actually be Odachi. Sure enough that's what ja.wiki has in the article introduction, along with a somewhat cryptic remark later on that "it was meant to be read Otachi, but he ended up going by Odachi". (That comment has been part of the article since the time it was created almost 20 years ago, so at minimum it was never questioned by anybody.) There's also a shikona change history section in the article, and that says Otachi (...sigh...), but it's of much more recent provenience than the Odachi claims elsewhere, and may very well have been added based on Sumo Reference data so we're got to be mindful to not end up going in circles here.

FWIW, my very old (2007) edition of the all-time makuuchi rikishi directory also furiganas his shikona as おおだち Odachi, but it might be good to get verification from somebody with a more recent edition, just to make sure it wasn't revised as an error eventually.

(We do have two ancient mentions of him as Odachi on the forum, Doreen Simmons in 2009 and Akinomaki in 2013.)

Edit: Takayama had settled on the Otachi reading, but also included a version of the "it was this but also this" story in his profile. Clear as mud.

Edited February 14 by Asashosakari

[Ryoshishokunin 310]

... which brings up another db discrepancy.  

Tsuruokanishiki is listed as being a member of Sakaigawa stable while O(t/d)achi was dead (and still owning the kabu) and there was no such stable.  I assume this is a relatively trivial data-entry error, but no idea where this chap actually lived.

Edited February 14 by Ryoshishokunin

[Asashosakari 19,543]

Right, we had a whole thread about that a few years ago, without resolution yet.