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Late 19th-century ozeki Oikari, subsequent to his Tokyo tenure, became the last ozeki of the moribund Kyoto sumo organization. In the 1910s he took the remnants of that org on an international sumo tour to Europe, and later continued on to South America. While the other wrestlers were largely known to have returned to Japan (or were perhaps not important enough for anyone to wonder about...), Oikari's later whereabouts including his death were unclear. According to his ja.wiki profile, researchers recently turned up an obituary in a Japanese-language newspaper published in Brazil, which gave January 27, 1930 as his date of death. The information is referenced to BBM's Sumo magazine, July 2022 edition, page 46, perhaps somebody here has that laying around and can confirm.

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Ayasegawa has totally different birth and death dates elsewhere. The DB's data (born 1881, died 1952) seems to be from Yubiquitoyama's old spreadsheet? Or a place that he also used. Other sources have it as 明治 9年10月4日 (October 4, 1876) and 昭和18年 5月23日 (May 23, 1943). That includes Takayama, ja.wiki (although that's referenced to Takayama...) and the old printed makuuchi rikishi reference book that's been collecting dust on my bookshelf for the last 15 years.

In addition, his sole top division appearance in Tokyo was as M5wOB, not M9wOB. That's something everyone agrees on, including Yubi's list (has a high rank of M5, which must be from that sole tournament) and Gans.


Edit: Taking a closer look at the Yubi spreadsheet, there's a comment attached to the death date:

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ORM: 1952.01.10
Takayama: 1952.01.20

I'm guessing ORM = Ozumo Rikishi Meikan, which I presume was an even older edition of the book I also consulted (mine's from 2007). Anyway, Yubi chose to list January 20 in the file itself, while the DB has January 10, so maybe a book edition was also the DB source? If so, the reference books were apparently corrected to the 1876 / 1943 dates later on...

(That aside I'm rather confused by his Takayama 1952 mention, because the oldest Takayama snapshot on archive.org is from 2001 and that already showed 1943, and the spreadsheet isn't that much older...)

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Posted (edited)

Randomly checking another Yubi entry that carries a comment note:

Sakahoko (not the recent one) has

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ORM: 1946.05.05
Takayama: 1947.05.05

for his date of death. The DB currently has 1946, my Meikan edition has 1947.

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Kyushu 2023 0-win/0-loss rikishi are requesting the usual fix to their data.

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It is quite annoying that the DB still has the Isegahama-ichimon as Tatsunami-ichimon, while Tatsunami-beya is part of Dewanoumi-ichimon now

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And (at least yesterday) the total wins in Hatsu 2024 did not equal total losses.  Thus, there is an error somewhere in the records of rikishi in the current basho.  The error was +2.  So, it is likely a  victory was given to both rikishi in a bout. 

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1 hour ago, Muhomatsu said:

And (at least yesterday) the total wins in Hatsu 2024 did not equal total losses.  Thus, there is an error somewhere in the records of rikishi in the current basho.  The error was +2.  So, it is likely a  victory was given to both rikishi in a bout. 

The Day 4 result of Daihisho vs Daiseiryu was recorded the wrong way around by the DB (was probably wrong at the Kyokai site originally and their fix didn't propagate). Daiseiryu won; their overall results correctly reflect that now after another result has come in for each of them, but the bout itself is still incorrect. What you observed after Day 5 was likely the result of Daiseiryu's record going from (wrong) 0-2 to (correct) 2-1, while Daihisho's was still wrong until Day 6.

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The items folks find on this thread is AMAZING.  Hail you all.

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This guy was ranked at the bottom of jonokuchi for 2009.05 and he shouldn't have an absence listed on his W-L's up to his fusenpai.

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Something extremely minor that nobody would really care about, but the Win/Loss Matricies don't account for brothers in different stables when showing valid opponents. Checked for Tobizaru/Hidenoumi and Roho/Hakurozan and both show as valid matchups when obviously they aren't.

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A funny find:  Kirishima is listed as opponent in the list for Kotonowaka http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_opp.aspx?r=12270#12231

- he has 3 of 13 bouts against him under this name, but for Terunofuji it's still Kiribayama - he never had a bout with him yet under the new name http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_opp.aspx?r=11927#12231

That list should vanish/change for day 15

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Not sure if this is a bug or I misunderstand the DB?

Terunofuji > show all bouts by Kimarite > yorikiri 214 (41.80 %, overall rate is 25.03 %) - Does this mean out of all Ozumo matches Yorikiri is the Kimarite 25.03% of the time?

If so...

Kirishima > show all bouts by Kimarite > yorikiri 95 (27.38 %, overall rate is 24.81 %) - Why the slight difference? 

If not, what does the bolded refer to?

It seems slightly different for each Rikishi, across all(?) techniques. As a control, I checked all Rikishi who started at the same time (Mz in Kyushu 23, Jonokuchi debut Hatsu 24), and amongst those 4 rikishi, the overall rates are consistent. Indicating perhaps something to do with time?

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13 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Not sure if this is a bug or I misunderstand the DB?

Terunofuji > show all bouts by Kimarite > yorikiri 214 (41.80 %, overall rate is 25.03 %) - Does this mean out of all Ozumo matches Yorikiri is the Kimarite 25.03% of the time?

If so...

Kirishima > show all bouts by Kimarite > yorikiri 95 (27.38 %, overall rate is 24.81 %) - Why the slight difference? 

If not, what does the bolded refer to?

It seems slightly different for each Rikishi, across all(?) techniques. As a control, I checked all Rikishi who started at the same time (Mz in Kyushu 23, Jonokuchi debut Hatsu 24), and amongst those 4 rikishi, the overall rates are consistent. Indicating perhaps something to do with time?

My guess is the overall rate counts only the period when the given rikishi was active.

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I've hundreds of Rikishi pictures for uploading ... who can upload them?!

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Takanofuji's result for his final basho on the banzuke should be 0-0, not 0-0-7; his official profile shows only 28 career absences. There was some confusion around his less-than-voluntary departure, with the Kyokai originally only acknowledging it after the tournament, even though his intai notice had been submitted before; they later corrected that, and cancelled his basho score accordingly.

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I was catching up on yusho portrait gathering, and found four old ones that aren't on their respective banzuke pages. Also here is a colour and watermark-less version of Takanohana from 1975.03, it's up to Doitsuyama if he wants to replace the black-and-white one that is there now.

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1967.01, Taiho

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1972.07, Takamiyama

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1974.11, Kaiketsu

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1975.03, Takanohana

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1977.07, Wajima

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And here are the portraits for 2022 and 2023. I couldn't find one without that annoying specimen text for 2022 Haru.

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2022.01, Mitakeumi

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2022.03, Wakatakakage

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2022.05, Terunofuji

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2022.07, Ichinojo

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2022.09, Tamawashi

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2022.11, Abi

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2023.01, Takakeisho

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2023.03, Kiribayama

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2023.05, Terunofuji

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2023.07, Hoshoryu

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2023.09, Takakeisho

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2023.11, Kirishima

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The Day 2 torikumi is missing makushita and sandanme.

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18 minutes ago, Reonito said:

The Day 2 torikumi is missing makushita and sandanme.

I guess Matsui vs. Nishida is to blame.

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29 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

I guess Matsui vs. Nishida is to blame.

Not only that, presumably also Tokitenran - Mihamaumi in sandanme.

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With the tsukedashi at the bottom, it means their entire divisions are cut. Unlike the ms15 days, where we'd still have all makushita matchups up until theirs.

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The previous Oshima-beya was closed in April 2012, but the DB has its wrestlers still as a part of it for May even though they already competed out of Tomozuna. (Probably because the closure came after the banzuke release, so when the basho data was exported from the Kyokai site it still showed Oshima.)

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