Sumo Reference Updates

[Chiyotasuke 274]

The shikona given name changes for Haru 2022 are not updated. I assume it was set aside because of Kaiyuma's name mystery.

On 28/02/2022 at 06:54, Yubinhaad said:

Four rikishi make various alterations to their shikona given name. Roga triples his kanji, Kotodaigo changes one and the reading, Asatenmai switches a kanji back to that of his real given name, and Kaiyuma... well, see below for that one.

Ms12e Roga Chikara > Tokiyoshi (外喜義,  ときよし)
Ms29w Kotodaigo Akimasa > Koyu (晃有,  こうゆう)
Sd23w Asatenmai Seita (精多  >  晴多)
Sd83e Kaiyuma Keisuke (圭祐  >  圭?) - as Nikkan puts it: 示ヘンに右

Kaiyuma's change is one of those puzzling ones, where the new kanji is one that Nikkan can't display and the Kyokai site doesn't show any change at all. I'm happy to defer to the kanji experts to work that one out.

On 28/02/2022 at 08:23, Kamitsuumi said:

祐 is a traditional glyph vs modern standard glyph change. See http://en.glyphwiki.org/wiki/u7950 and http://en.glyphwiki.org/wiki/ufa4f

On 01/03/2022 at 02:07, Tsuchinoninjin said:

Just seems to be 圭祐, with the suke being an older? way to write it up. Due to han unification any attempt to search for it gets it auto-replaced with 祐. Seems like it is preferred to write 祐 in the Korean way of writing Kanji but that is so disused I doubt it has any real connection.

The mysterious kanji seems to be 祐 indeed.

EDIT: If the kanji doesn't work or you're not sure, can you at least update the other names?

Edited May 5, 2023 by Chiyotasuke

[Akinomaki 40,034]

Wrong reading for Tokihayate's home-town Kurihara http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12542

- Kurehara on his page

Same for Ohata http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12192

Edited April 18, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Faustonowaka 114]

On 08/01/2023 at 10:37, Faustonowaka said:

Terunofuji’s rank on his page should be Ye1YO instead of Ye1 for this basho

Third time’s a charm

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

On 12/04/2023 at 06:31, Chiyotasuke said:

The shikona given name changes for Haru 2022 are not updated. I assume it was set aside because of Kaiyuma's name mystery.

The mysterious kanji seems to be 祐 indeed.

EDIT: If the kanji doesn't work or you're not sure, can you at least update the other names?

It had nothing to do with this kanji, I just somehow missed it. The names are updated, but weirdly the new kanji displays the same as the old kanji on the SumoDB website - if you copy it and paste somewhere else it is visible as new kanji. Probably it is a matter of the font, but I'm not sure how to fix this.

Edit: I modified the website to use a different font-family if Japanese language is on and it displays correctly now. Not really happy with the result yet, but I will have another look later.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Doitsuyama
Solved the display problem

[Asashosakari 18,959]

IIRC, the Kyokai itself hasn't been consistent about this the few times it cropped up, but after Kitasatsuma was given two matches in the last three days in 2018.05, they listed his final record as 2-0-6, not 2-0-5 as the DB currently has it. That's semi-important because he was actually passed by a proper 2-5 score on the next banzuke, so right now the DB makes it look as though they created that banzuke wrong.

[Akinomaki 40,034]

Same as every msTD basho, Onosato is disrupting the display, makushita stops with the bout before.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Kaitetsu 277]

Wakamotoharu's day 9 loss in the November 2020 tournament is showing as a null day on his profile.

[Asashosakari 18,959]

8 hours ago, Kaitetsu said:

Wakamotoharu's day 9 loss in the November 2020 tournament is showing as a null day on his profile.

Earlier report about that issue, the other case mentioned there still needs to be fixed, too.

[Gurowake 4,011]

Gino-sho was not entered for Wakamotoharu as part of the Yusho and sansho update to the database after Natsu 2023.

[Golynohana 319]

8 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Gino-sho was not entered for Wakamotoharu as part of the Yusho and sansho update to the database after Natsu 2023.

Fixed by Doitsuyama

[mugatake 36]

11th yokozuna Shiranui's personal name is given as "Kotsuemon" in both the English and Japanese version of the page.

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

On 15/06/2023 at 21:43, mugatake said:

11th yokozuna Shiranui's personal name is given as "Kotsuemon" in both the English and Japanese version of the page.

I'm not sure what is wrong here?

[Seiyashi 4,072]

10 minutes ago, Doitsuyama said:

I'm not sure what is wrong here?

Isn't it supposed to be Kōemon?

[mugatake 36]

3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Isn't it supposed to be Kōemon?

This is what I meant, yes.

[Asashosakari 18,959]

Tokasan should have been "Tokazan" in last basho's shikona changes (it's correct on the jp side).

[Asashosakari 18,959]

On 05/05/2023 at 21:29, Faustonowaka said:

On 08/01/2023 at 10:37, Faustonowaka said:

Terunofuji’s rank on his page should be Ye1YO instead of Ye1 for this basho

Third time’s a charm

Bump, Natsu still needs the YO addition.

 

[Inside Sport Japan 762]

We're not sure if this has been mentioned before but Ulaanbaatar has been the spelling of Mongolia's capital in English for quite a few years.

Ulan-Bator is no longer used (or at least shouldn't be according to several style guides)

[Asashosakari 18,959]

Something appears to be very screwed up in the query's ability to summarize career-high ranks right now. Take this one: It shows 41 rikishi with a highest rank of M1, but it's actually true only for 15 of them, the others have (sometimes much) lower highest ranks. This only seems to affect those with a career high in the M ranks; rikishi who reached sanyaku or topped out in juryo are listed correctly. It's only bugged in the summary view, the expanded view of individual tournaments is correct for the affected rikishi.

Edit: Hmm, is it erroneously taking juryo ranks as maegashira ranks? Compare this to this - as soon as Hakuoho's juryo appearances as Ochiai are included in the data, his correct high rank of M17 gets changed to the bogus M8. He did have a tournament at J8 (as did Gonoyama at J1, so it fits his error as well). Specifically, it seems to involve only juryo tournaments from before the maegashira high rank was achieved: Kiyoseumi vs. Kiyoseumi-also-as-Ichihara. His J11 tournament before his makuuchi stint appears to affect the data, his later juryo appearances afterwards do not.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Yarimotsu 548]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Something appears to be very screwed up in the query's ability to summarize career-high ranks right now. Take this one: It shows 41 rikishi with a highest rank of M1, but it's actually true only for 15 of them, the others have (sometimes much) lower highest ranks. This only seems to affect those with a career high in the M ranks; rikishi who reached sanyaku or topped out in juryo are listed correctly. It's only bugged in the summary view, the expanded view of individual tournaments is correct for the affected rikishi.

Edit: Hmm, is it erroneously taking juryo ranks as maegashira ranks? Compare this to this - as soon as Hakuoho's juryo appearances as Ochiai are included in the data, his correct high rank of M17 gets changed to the bogus M8. He did have a tournament at J8 (as did Gonoyama at J1, so it fits his error as well). Specifically, it seems to involve only juryo tournaments from before the maegashira high rank was achieved: Kiyoseumi vs. Kiyoseumi-also-as-Ichihara. His J11 tournament before his makuuchi stint appears to affect the data, his later juryo appearances afterwards do not.

I think the Juryo ranks theory is correct. Looking at all the erroneous "highest rank M5" rikishi, they all have a J5 before their actual M debut and highest rank. Starting to analyze when exactly it occurs:

Having a highest-rank in low maegashira is almost impossible with this error - so why do some rikishi still correctly show up at these ranks? Dewaarashi shows up at M14 - he was J3w the tournament before but this doesn't seem to be incorrectly marking him as M3 highest rank. However, if we change the query to 1998 only, we see his highest rank is M3. So it was marked incorrectly but later corrected itself to M14. By scrolling through time with different queries, we can see that it only is correct where that final juryo basho before maegashira debut is excluded. (comparing this to this) and if we remove your stipulation of 2000-now from the original query, it is incorrectly showing M3 as his highest rank.

By performing any query like this, you can see (by scrolling to the bottom of the first page) that the only way to have a highest rank of M9 is to 'debut' at that rank (it's your only recorded rank ever; Ayasegawa, Onada) or to have a maegashira debut after being J9 (and never surpassing M9; as Terunoumi didn't). Similarly, by hitting next page we see an M18 highest rank is only achieved where a rikishi 'debuted' there, and M11 is only reached as a highest rank where J11 precedes the actual maegashira debut.

 

Having done that research I saw it wasn't occurring to Juryo ranks (the Ms high rank didn't bleed upwards like the J high rank did) and figured the problem might be that we are searching Makuuchi and Juryo in our query. By doing this query we can immediately see that is exactly the problem. Doing this query (including Makushita) allows us to cause the bleed from Ms to J - a random sample of "J1s" confirms this - and cases such as Yamamotoyama showing with high rank M1 confirm that the bleed crosses from Ms all the way to M - it's only the number that matters.

 

How easy it is to provide the functionality to fix this, I'm not sure - but until it is fixed, stick to searching one division at a time for highest ranks.

[Ripe 70]

There are currently two listings for Araiso (Wakashimazu and Kotoyuki), Kitajin (Kotoyuki and Tenkaiho) and Sanoyama (Tenkaiho and Chiyonokuni) in the database...

[Asashosakari 18,959]

The Natsu and Nagoya results require the usual kick to make 0-win/0-loss scores work properly in queries.

[Asashosakari 18,959]

Yokozuna Tochinoumi's profile is lacking his death date of January 29, 2021.

[Kaitetsu 277]

This page of Wikipedia on the third bullet point says this Mutsuryu's shikona given name is Takahisa (隆久). Maybe its worth adding it even if its not much of a source?

Edited August 25, 2023 by Kaitetsu

[Tigerboy1966 1,412]

7 hours ago, Kaitetsu said:

This page of Wikipedia on the third bullet point says this Mutsuryu's shikona given name is Takahisa (隆久). Maybe its worth adding it even if its not much of a source?

Probably not as the only reference is to the db. So we would be going round in circles.

[Seiyashi 4,072]

38 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Probably not as the only reference is to the db. So we would be going round in circles.

That's in respect of a different Mutsuryū, though (Mutsuryū Yasushi(?)). That said, there's no source for Mutsuryū Takahisa now, so I wouldn't update the DB on that basis alone, either.