Sumo Reference Updates

[Seiyashi 3,317]

4 hours ago, Doitsuyama said:

But I'm not sure if this would even be conceived as a positive change from the users of Sumo Reference

I know one forum user who would be very happy about it....  (not me) 

While we have your attention, could I rather shamelessly check what the second column on the simple style torikumi list is for? 

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/12746-sumo-reference-updates/?do=findComment&comment=471100

[Doitsuyama 1,150]

On 19/07/2022 at 00:25, Seiyashi said:

While we have your attention, could I rather shamelessly check what the second column on the simple style torikumi list is for? 

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/12746-sumo-reference-updates/?do=findComment&comment=471100

What second column? 

(It indeed used to be an order column over all bouts of the day, but it is bugged with the automated grabbing and I'm never using it anyway, so I removed it now)

[Yokozuna Hattorizakura 119]

The following fusen have circles instead of squares

• Hatsu 1984 - Fujigatake vs. Kinoarashi (Also seems to be the only playoff fusen)
• Kyushu 1991 - Kototakenoue vs. Komahokkai
• Kyushu 1991 - Amaike vs. Kotonakamura
• Natsu 1992 - Owakamatsu vs. Minatofuji
• Hatsu 1994 - Kiryu vs. Obamayama
• Hatsu 1994 - Shuho vs. Inago
• Nagoya 1994 - Kirinowaka vs. Hoshikakuo
• Aki 1994 - Kotohigashiyama vs. Osada
• Aki 1994 - Iida vs. Wakatakahashi
• Aki 1994 - Senshinryu vs. Araya
• Hatsu 1995 - Kyokukoyama vs. Maedaiko
• Nagoya 2022 - Hamadayama vs. Akatora

Edited August 6, 2022 by Yokozuna Hattorizakura

[Ryoshishokunin 208]

@Doitsuyama Is there any chance that the Japanese-language shikona could appear on the Rikishi / Kabu pages?  It's the one thing on the Japanese SR site that I find myself flipping into the Japanese version to look up not-infrequently.  

[Chiyotasuke 104]

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=193601#J

The J14 rank vanished and the supposed J14 pair Kamuiyama and Akinoumi are instead laid out on the HariDashi rank

Edited August 25, 2022 by Chiyotasuke
grammer

[Katooshu 2,334]

The head to head record between prospects Takahashi and Kazuto doesn't have the latter's win included in the tally.

Takahashi vs. Kazuto 0[+1]-0 (sumogames.de)

[Gurowake 3,434]

On 22/07/2022 at 14:17, Doitsuyama said:

It indeed used to be an order column over all bouts of the day, but it is bugged with the automated grabbing and I'm never using it anyway, so I removed it now

I'd just like you to know that I have to change my script that took the results off the database and compiled them into the form that I wanted to store them in, because it assumed that the format the results would be displayed in was static.  I don't think it's a huge problem to change it, but it had me scratching my head about what was wrong when it complained that there wasn't a hyperlink in the specified cell, and after digging through all the variables it was clear that the math to find the hyperlinked rikishi name was clearly off (getting the hyperlink is necessary to extract the rikishi ID, since I can't rely on names being unique).  Then I remembered the quoted change happening.  It's been so long since I wrote these scripts I hope I can figure out how they work and change them as appropriate. 

It just goes to show how the smallest change in anything computer related can totally throw off someone else's workflow that relied on things being very specifically formatted.  See https://xkcd.com/1172/

edit: Fixing only the hyperlink error ended up with entirely the wrong data being saved, so this is going to be a non-trivial problem.  Why would I ever write code with copious comments so that someone else would be able to understand it?  Future me cries.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 3,434]

It wasn't too hard to fix once I started stepping through the routine in debug mode to see what it was doing.  But I never thought I would need to change anything.

[Seiyashi 3,317]

Sounds like a column index error?

[Gurowake 3,434]

6 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Sounds like a column index error?

Yeah, I just had to find all the places where I was referencing columns, and change them appropriately.

[Doitsuyama 1,150]

15 hours ago, Gurowake said:

It wasn't too hard to fix once I started stepping through the routine in debug mode to see what it was doing.  But I never thought I would need to change anything.

If you are not happy with my site, feel free to grab from the official NSK site. But be warned, you have absolutely no idea how often I had to change my code to adapt to changes on the NSK site.

[Gurowake 3,434]

7 hours ago, Doitsuyama said:

If you are not happy with my site, feel free to grab from the official NSK site. But be warned, you have absolutely no idea how often I had to change my code to adapt to changes on the NSK site.

I'm well aware that you're probably much more stable than the NSK, and I thank you for it.

[Gurowake 3,434]

7 hours ago, Doitsuyama said:

If you are not happy with my site, feel free to grab from the official NSK site. But be warned, you have absolutely no idea how often I had to change my code to adapt to changes on the NSK site.

Just to be clear, I'm extremely grateful that you have a site with minimal frills for which this data is available.  My comments in this thread on this topic are mainly (1) being amused at how such a small change might throw someone's scripts off, and made me think of the XKCD comic linked and (2) me eternally having to weigh the advantages of fully commenting code vs. the time savings from not doing so since I assume I'll never need to change it.  I don't think I could possibly code in a production environment for that reason; I just absolutely hate commenting in code, preferring to get it right and leaving it.  I really shouldn't be doing that when I have to use outside sources, but I just can't get myself to take the time to do so.

[Akinomaki 34,218]

Hokuseiho on day 10 won because Chiyomaru "inadvertently" touched down first - tsukite. The DB doesn't have the kimarite yet - unknown - though there are plenty of tsukite in it http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results_text.aspx?b=202211&d=10

https://www.sumo.or.jp/ResultData/torikumi/2/10/

 

Edited November 23, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Yubinhaad 10,485]

At some point, brothers Daiyusho and Daihisho had their family name changed from Ishioka to Kajino (梶野), but only the younger brother has the new one in the database at the moment.

Kisenoumi's family name also changed from Shioya to Yamazaki (山崎), no timeframe for that either though.

I can also offer an explanation for Chiyotaiko's unexpected maezumo "shikona" of Machida - the Kokonoe-beya website gives that as his family name (screenshots). However, the Kyokai persists with Furukawa on his profile, so I don't know if Doitsuyama wants to make any change in this case.

 

Lastly, I need to correct my own correction from six months back - the Nagoya banzuke release saw Oshoma's given name reading reset back to Degi (でぎ) after all. Sorry about that.

On 02/06/2022 at 16:14, Yubinhaad said:

Oshoma's yusho saw his Kyokai profile get the given name update, and they have it as Deki (でき) rather than Degi

 

[Katooshu 2,334]

Toseiryu is a graduate of the Kyushu Institute of Information Sciences

[Faustonowaka 66]

Terunofuji’s rank on his page should be Ye1YO instead of Ye1 for this basho

[Koorifuu 438]

Probably a known issue since we've had the same when Kawazoe joined, but Ochiai is missing from the banzuke entirely at Ms15TD - and, just like with Kawazoe before, the Day 2 torikumi is broken for makushita. Only the bouts up to Ochiai vs Oki are showing - the upper bit was cut. I guess the script stops importing these matches from the kyokai website whenever it encounters a blockage - in this case, an unknown entity.

[Doitsuyama 1,150]

On 08/01/2023 at 09:31, Katooshu said:

Toseiryu is a graduate of the Kyushu Institute of Information Sciences

Ok, but do they have a sumo team and was he part of it? Being a graduate is no reason to include it in the DB, there were other graduates before where the university had no sumo team or the rikishi wasn't part of it. They do have a sumo team, so the question is if he was a member?

Edited January 9 by Doitsuyama

[Akinomaki 34,218]

29 minutes ago, Doitsuyama said:

Ok, but do they have a sumo team and was he part of it? Being a graduate is no reason to include it in the DB, there were other graduates before where the university had no sumo team or the rikishi wasn't part of it. They do have a sumo team, so the question is if he was a member?

Yes

On 27/12/2021 at 22:30, Akinomaki said:

Joining Tamanoi-beya is A Boy Named Daiki Sue? (末  大輝), a 4th-year student at Kyushu Institute of Information Sciences. He hails from Chikujo, Fukuoka prefecture, although originally he was from the town of Shiida, which merged with Tsuiki in 2006 to create Chikujo.

According to the article he is 184cm, 137kg and the sixth to join ozumo from the Kyushu Joho sumo club, among the others is Tamanoi's own Azumaryu. 

Edited January 9 by Akinomaki

[Rocks 1,722]

21 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

Probably a known issue since we've had the same when Kawazoe joined, but Ochiai is missing from the banzuke entirely at Ms15TD - and, just like with Kawazoe before, the Day 2 torikumi is broken for makushita. Only the bouts up to Ochiai vs Oki are showing - the upper bit was cut. I guess the script stops importing these matches from the kyokai website whenever it encounters a blockage - in this case, an unknown entity.

Hopefully this gets updated by end of basho? I believe that is effecting Juryo game results. 

[Akinomaki 34,218]

9 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Hopefully this gets updated by end of basho? I believe that is effecting Juryo game results. 

It effects my pics overview as well, the top makushita bouts get not sorted

[Akinomaki 34,218]

7 hours ago, Doitsuyama said:

Being a graduate is no reason to include it in the DB, there were other graduates before where the university had no sumo team or the rikishi wasn't part of it.

Is being no graduate no reason to exclude the rikishi (for now)? Asahifuji is not listed as from the Kindai sumo club, but Suyama, who has not graduated yet, from Todai.

[Doitsuyama 1,150]

15 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Is being no graduate no reason to exclude the rikishi (for now)? Asahifuji is not listed as from the Kindai sumo club, but Suyama, who has not graduated yet, from Todai.

Being a graduate is no requirement, just officially being in the sumo club of the university.

[Akinomaki 34,218]

30 minutes ago, Doitsuyama said:

Being a graduate is no requirement, just officially being in the sumo club of the university.

I forgot that Asahifuji even graduated  - he reentered Kindai while being active - he was officially in the sumo club there https://kindaipicks.com/article/002123

He was 20 when he joined ozumo and was close to two years member of the club, shouldn't that be enough then to have it on his page, like here: https://sumo-guide.com/kinki-university#i-24