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Asashosakari    10,435

As this stuff probably gets lost in the intai threads:

On 9/27/2017 at 03:09, Asashosakari said:

(Note for the DB: As both Wakanoshima and Rikishin retired as of Day 13, the official results don't have yasumi markers for them on Days 14 and 15.)

 

On 3/28/2018 at 09:08, Asashosakari said:

Kotomisen is listed as intai per Day 15, so no yasumi for that day.

 

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Ryoshishokunin    100

Is there a legend everywhere of all the possible rank notes for the DB?  If there isn't, could there be one? 

(Things like HD and OB and so on.. AFAICT they're not explained anywhere on the site.)

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Gurowake    1,565
On 3/26/2018 at 13:31, Asashosakari said:

On a completely different topic: There may well be a reason for it, but why is the 大阪府立体育会館 referred to as the Osaka Municipal Gymnasium on the DB? The  commonly accepted name is Prefectural, I think.

I would guess that it's kinda ambiguous what the best word to translate 府 is.  Yes, it's like a prefecture, but it's a different kind of prefecture than most, associated directly with being an urban area, or a city.  But there's a clear distinction between Osaka-fu and Osaka-shi (the former includes many other nearby cities), as can be seen in the name of the actually-Municipal Gymnasium linked, and using Municipal for both could be confusing.

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Atenzan    730
Posted (edited)
18 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

Is there a legend everywhere of all the possible rank notes for the DB?  If there isn't, could there be one? 

(Things like HD and OB and so on.. AFAICT they're not explained anywhere on the site.)

There is the sumoforum.net glossary. On mobile now so it's inconvenient to link, sorry, but for what it's worth:

TD=tsukedashi;

HD=haridashi; 

OB=off-banzuke=banzuke-gai;

BS=besseki

 

http://www.sumoforum.net/glossary.html

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Asashosakari    10,435

Some random finds while trawling through oyakata death dates:

Toyonohana has a full rikishi profile but no listed death date - his kabu profile does.

Same thing for Odate with his kabu data.

In addition, there's a discrepancy in the year of death for Shikishima (not the recent one), which is listed as 1958 as rikishi and 1957 as oyakata. It's 1957 according to ja.wiki which uses the now-defunct Takayama site as reference.


Also, two things spotted while going through the list of one-time toshiyori:

The no longer active kabu for gyoji Shikimori Inosuke should be annotated as "Tategyoji", not "Fukutategyoji".

And something that looks like it could be part of a much bigger issue with the DB data :-( - 13th yokozuna Kimenzan has a death date of July 23 as a rikishi, but September 7 for his short-lived time as oyakata. According to his ja.wiki article, it's September 7 indeed per the Gregorian calendar, while "July 23" (really: 23rd day of the 7th month) was the date according to the Chinese/lunar calendar (used in Japan until 1872). I haven't looked deeply into that as far as the DB goes, but it appears to be a general issue that pre-1872 dates aren't correctly converted between the Japanese and the English data. (Kimenzan's death really was on 明治4年7月23日 / Meiji 4 month 7 day 23 per the calendar then in use, so technically there's nothing wrong in the DB data, but that just doesn't equate to July 23, 1871.)

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Updates happing...?

Site is offline. Been trying to do some research all morning. It's 17:00 Pacific (UTC-8) in the early evening right now. Anyone else experiencing this or could it be my network?

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Bumpkin    342
9 minutes ago, Jesse Kahoaalohakūpaʻa said:

Updates happing...?

Site is offline. Been trying to do some research all morning. It's 17:00 Pacific (UTC-8) in the early evening right now. Anyone else experiencing this or could it be my network?

It's on for me.

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Yamanashi    177
1 hour ago, Jesse Kahoaalohakūpaʻa said:

Updates happing...?

Site is offline. Been trying to do some research all morning. It's 17:00 Pacific (UTC-8) in the early evening right now. Anyone else experiencing this or could it be my network?

Still getting a 404 error at 9:15 PM EDT.

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Asashosakari    10,435

While looking for something else, I ran into this, posted Day 2 of Natsu 2001. Shikishima's currently listed on the DB as 0-0-7 for that basho though. Indeed the Kyokai had him with a yasumi marker for Day 1, followed by intai:

五月場所星取表 (幕下 西41~60)
 
  力士名 かな読み 出身 部屋 五月場所星取表 成績
41 恵那司 えなつかさ 岐阜県 入間川 ●-○-●--○-●○-●-- 3勝4敗
42 新明 しんめい 千葉県 武蔵川 -○-○○--○○-●---● 5勝2敗
43 敷島 しきしま 千葉県 陸奥 -引退 -

(From the ex-ex-ex? version of the Kyokai site, back in the pre-DB days when I was still insane enough to archive some of their HTML pages...)

So definitely not 0-0-7, but I'm not sure if that should be 0-0 or 0-0-1 instead. The Kyokai's old rikishi profile for him is no help, as that data is clearly wrong. (Their absence counter of 30 is missing his other 0-0-7 from two months earlier, probably because they simply stopped tracking rikishi who fell below juryo, so it's useless as a guide to his final result.)


 

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ryafuji    257

If it’s any help, the July 2001 issue of Sumo World says he announced his retirement on Day 2, and his Japanese Wikipedia page gives 0-0-1. 

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Asashosakari    10,435
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An old bug is back(?): Clicking the > button on the Hatsu 2011 banzuke and torikumi pages jumps directly to Nagoya, bypassing the Natsu tournament. (Likewise for the < button on the Nagoya pages.)

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