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Doitsuyama    958
On 15.9.2017 at 23:22, Asashosakari said:

I ran into the same thing again (I think that's the only remaining case): Haru 1974 has Masudayama beating himself and Nomura missing a loss on Day 11.

Correct, it's the only bout with both sides the same rikishi... fixed.

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Doitsuyama    958
On 1.8.2017 at 16:55, Asashosakari said:

And another jun-yusho question:

1922.05 - isn't Tochigiyama also in a jun-yusho position here? He's got the same W-L differential as Asogatake. Compare 1910.01 which also has two jun-yusho rikishi listed with the same W-L but different draws and absences.

Right, that is not going by the same rules here. Since jun-yusho isn't official and pretty much made up from me I can make my own rules... I feel someone with same win differential, but more draws should be ahead, so I did remove the jun-yusho for Komagatake in 1910.01. It's just 1 win for wins, 0.5 wins for draws, 0 for losses and absences in my mind, as sumo generally isn't very kind to absences.

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Asashosakari    8,618
1 hour ago, Doitsuyama said:

Right, that is not going by the same rules here. Since jun-yusho isn't official and pretty much made up from me I can make my own rules... I feel someone with same win differential, but more draws should be ahead, so I did remove the jun-yusho for Komagatake in 1910.01. It's just 1 win for wins, 0.5 wins for draws, 0 for losses and absences in my mind, as sumo generally isn't very kind to absences.

I'm not sure that's right, because in those days it was possible to get an absent day without being at fault (opponent goes kyujo -> yasumi for both) . I could swear I saw one yusho result that was decided on the same issue, but I'll have to take a look again because I don't remember the details at the moment.

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Gurowake    1,409

The Sandanme playoff bout for Aki 2017 is in the database as being a Jonidan bout.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=201709&d=16

Heading says "Jonidan"

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=201709&d=16&simple=on

16 1 9 1 Sd18w Enho 0-0 W oshitaoshi L Sd82e Matsuda 0-0
16 2 6 1 J11w Abi 0-0 W hatakikomi L J6w Homarefuji 0-0
16 3 6 2 J3w Kotoyuki 0-0 W tsukidashi L J2e Aminishiki 0-0
16 4 6 3 J11w Abi 0-0 W hikiotoshi L J3w Kotoyuki 0-0
16 3 5 1 Y1w Harumafuji 0-0 W yorikiri L O1w Goeido 0-0

 

Third column, 6 = Juryo, 7 = Makushita, 8 = Sandanme, 9 = Jonidan

 

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Asashosakari    8,618

12 jonokuchi rikishi are missing their result marker for Day 9. Oddly, only 8 of them are from actual bout pairings, the other 4 are affected while their respective opponents are not.

Ayaminato vs Matsuzawa
Momochizakura vs Koreyasu
Chiyotaiko vs Teraowaka
Kotoimagawa vs Sekizukayama

Fukuazuma
Kotourasaki
Hayasaka
Wakanoguchi
 

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Senkoho    429
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I hope it's just me:

have all the videos and video-related features disappeared from the DB?

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dada78641    112
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18 minutes ago, Senkoho said:

I hope it's just me:

have all the videos and video-related features disappeared from the DB?

Still appearing just fine for me.

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Where did they disappear for you?

edit: Of course a lot of the videos are unavailable, but that's just Youtube...

If I had access to the sumodb code I would investigate running a script that reuploads videos under a hidden account to keep them safe. Would take some work, but it's doable...

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Senkoho    429

This is kind of weird but I'm glad it's only me!

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dada78641    112

That is very strange. I still see the "videos only" option. I can't fathom why it would not show up for you.

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Senkoho    429

Checked it in another browser - same effect. Any ideas?

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Akinomaki    14,128
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1 hour ago, Senkoho said:

Checked it in another browser - same effect. Any ideas?

The videos links are not visible when you are in Japan (maybe also other countries?) - to view them a  country option is needed after the page URL. Anything not "=j" should do the trick.

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Senkoho    429
1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

The videos links are not visible when you are in Japan (maybe also other countries?) - to view them a  country option is needed after the page URL. Anything not "=j" should do the trick.

Thanks! I think my VPN might have connected me to a Japanese server. It works fine now that I switched to a different country. Thanks!

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Akinomaki    14,128

I think I might post the differences between articles I read and videos about rikishi mainly of the past and the database contents to this thread.

The latest is about Meiji period rikishi Tatsutano - the real name is 高畑七右ェ門 , Takah/bata(ke) Shichiemon, with Takahata the most likely, since no reading is given. http://webun.jp/item/7405881

 

On 1/20/2017 at 18:43, Akinomaki said:
On 1/20/2017 at 15:51, Akinomaki said:
On 1/20/2017 at 07:48, sesom said:

Ura did Tasukizori ...

the last time it was performed in Makuuchi or Juryo was 1951!

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&m=on&j=on&kimarite=47

It was the first time ever to get officially published as kimarite by the NSK for a sekitori bout: the NSK started that for 1955.

Ura is officially the first to show this kimarite as sekitori, older data are unofficial - kimarite data before Natsu 1955 in the database thus can't be trusted.

Articles also name not 1951 but Jan. 1952 (Haru) as a former occurrence: Tsunenoyama vs. Ouchiyama: that is a tsutaezori in the database.

 

On 3/12/2017 at 16:04, Akinomaki said:

Last new recruit from Taketomi (but -island) was 64 years ago a Mr. Ryoumoto, post-war, the first rikishi from Okinawa, but not in the database

竹富町からの相撲部屋入門は戦後の1953年に県出身者で初めて力士になった嶺本真功さん(82)=竹富島=以来64年ぶり

https://ryukyushimpo.jp/news/entry-459456.html

 

On 4/15/2016 at 19:37, Akinomaki said:

article on Kaizen for his sumo debut.
He is from university sumo, so that should be added to database: from the Asahi university sumo club, like Tokushinho, and graduated in March from the law department.

Unfortunately the article with the pic is already gone from the net: http://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/gifu/20160313/CK2016031302000019.html

Article on Kaizen

Spoiler

大相撲浅香山部屋に入門した朝日大相撲部の前田拓海さん(22)が十二日、法学部を卒業した。しこ名は魁禅(かいぜん)拓海。十三日に始まる春場所に、序ノ口として臨む。「一場所でも早く、(十両以上の)関取になりたい」と意気込んだ。

 瑞穂市の朝日大キャンパスであった卒業式では、角界入りで大学の名誉を高めたとして、学長賞が贈られた。相撲部の仲間に胴上げされ、「親方(元大関・魁皇)みたいな豪快な相撲を取れるよう頑張りたい」と話した。

 鹿児島県徳之島出身。小学生の時、地元の相撲クラブで本格的にけいこを始めた。地元の樟南高校を卒業後、朝日大相撲部へ。全国学生相撲選手権大会では一昨年までの団体戦Bクラス二連覇に貢献した。

 三年生の夏、浅香山親方に誘われたが、不安もあって、返事を保留していた。しかし、三連覇がかかった昨年の選手権大会団体戦で準々決勝で敗れ、「悔しくて、強くなって見返したい」と角界入りを決意した。朝日大相撲部の岸本大輔コーチ(35)は「強い相手を前にしても物おじしないのが良い」と評価した。

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On 11/1/2013 at 14:41, Akinomaki said:

longest bout after WWII: 1951 Odachi-Futaseyama 32min. - sumo reference only has a Otachi, they met twice that year

 

On 4/15/2015 at 17:43, Akinomaki said:

Former ms19 Omusashi, from the old Musashigawa-beya, since 2007 only Norihito (not read Kinji like in his shikona and on sumo-reference) Kimura

元武蔵川部屋の力士「巨武蔵(おおむさし)」の木村謹仁(のりひと) https://nakano.keizai.biz/headline/686/

 

On 7/1/2016 at 17:53, Akinomaki said:

3rd time to juryo Kotoeko prepares to surpass his granddad's Matsueyama total of 15 wins in juryo.
http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20160701-OHT1T50115.html


A note for Sumo Reference: likely Matsueyama had the same reading for his real name as Kotoeko, Kashiwadani instead of Kashiwaya, even if that was his first shikona.

 

On 8/20/2016 at 16:57, Akinomaki said:
On 12/5/2015 at 16:25, Akinomaki said:

Former makushita 5 Kotoasaki (50) lost his girlfriend in the 1985 Japan Airlines jumbo plane crash

Several things may need update in Sumo Reference: His real name is given in the old Hochi article (still there) as Kakuta (also on the National Diet Library page for his book), not Tsunoda, wikipedia gives his first shikona also as Kakuta and Kotokakuta, not Kadota and then Kotokadota - Sadogatake-beya standard for the first shikona is Koto- with the real name. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/琴旭基太造

That real name is different now anyway - he took on the name of his rich wife, Yokose 横瀬

 

On 8/4/2017 at 17:03, Akinomaki said:

An Ishiura of the past, Tamanoura, senior deshi of Taiho.

The makushita yusho ketteisen Natsu 1958 saw a tournament of 6, Naya (Taiho) lost in the first round, but he went on to the tomoesen and won 2 in a row to get the yusho. The given 1st round kimarite differs from sumo reference: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=195805&d=16: oshitaoshi instead of sukuinage.

His year of birth differs from sumo reference: 1929, not 1932 - apparently the rules for new recruits were quite different then. His record is given as 192wins-128losses and 2 itamiwake - database: 189-128-8-2d - the 3 wins more are likely maezumo, the 8 absent are likely also counted as out of kyokai.

injury prevented him from doing the keiko he needed to sustain his "body of steal", as junior deshi Tamamuroto (Nishonseki-beya missing from the entry) calls it

After intai he was coach at Kinki university. He died in 2016, shortly after his 2nd older sister - his death was nowhere listed on the net, wikipedia has just the other day added the year (by someone who read the article): https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/玉乃浦友喜

http://www.kochinews.co.jp/article/114711/

 

On 3/30/2016 at 14:29, Akinomaki said:

In 1779 Washigatani 鷲ケ谷 (not in the database) made his sumo debut as an Edo-kakae (employed by a feudal lord etc.) rikishi, was there for 2 years=4 basho and retired.
Then he became a rikishi employed by the Morioka domain and started anew as Yukinoura Matsunosuke. The book is written by 3 present Yukinoura (the authors' names, I guess father and 2 sons) the paper speaks about 3 generations of Yukinoura as Morioka rikishi, maybe they mixed that up with the authors, no others are in the database. The one in question is named as the 1st Yukinoura, he must have been allowed to take on that name as a family name.
The info about Morioka domain rikishi: http://www2.pref.iwate.jp/~hp0910/tayori/110p4.pdf
though names another Yukinoura Matsunosuke (1792-1855) from Morioka-city, Nishonoseki-beya, who made it to sandanme, what now corresponds to (lower) makushita (so the old saying means this 3rd division - the then nidanme is also said to correspond to makushita) - and his kesho-mawashi (at that time also for makushita!) is shown.
Yukinoura I made it to maegashira 4 (Sumo Reference has him only as juryo) and was active till age 39. Said to be born in what is now Kitakami-city, Iwate, but not mentioned when or at what age he started in Edo or what year he finally retired, he died in 1820.
http://www.iwate-np.co.jp/cgi-bin/topnews.cgi?20160329_10

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Spoiler

盛岡市高松1丁目の不動産貸付業雪ノ浦久雄さん(64)は、盛岡藩の力士として3代にわたり活躍した先祖について「南部盛岡藩お抱え力士『雪ノ浦』」にまとめ、今月出版した。全国から集めた資料をひもとき、初代「雪ノ浦」の浮世絵も発見。「苦労したが、ご先祖様の足跡に触れることができてうれしい」と達成感をにじませる。 

初代雪ノ浦松之助は現在の北上市鬼柳町に生まれたとされ、1779(安永8)年、江戸抱力士「鷲ケ谷(わしがたに)」の名で初土俵を踏んだ。2年間、4場所の取組後に引退したが、後に「雪ノ浦」を名乗り、盛岡藩抱力士として復帰した。

 前頭4枚目まで番付を上げ、将軍臨席の上覧相撲でも勝利を挙げるなど、39歳まで活躍。引退後は錦木塚右衛門(つかえもん)と共に藩の相撲小頭(こがしら)を命じられ、1820(文政3)年に亡くなるまで土俵への情熱を燃やし続けたという。

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