What is the rule for Hakuho's Yokozuna promotion?

[Tikozan 4]

(A yokozuna...) What is the rule for a yokozuna promotion? (A yokozuna...)

Can Hakuho be promoted after this basho?

Hakuho wins the basho...

...with a 15-0: Yes! (Applauding...)

...with 14-1 and a win over Asashoryu, I would say yes. (Applauding...)

...with 14-1 and a loss against Asashoryu and than a win in play-off, I would say yes. (Clapping wildly...)

...with 13-2 and a loss against Asashoryu and than a win in play-off, I don't know. (Showing respect...)

Am I right? Or how is the rule for promotion? (Laughing...)

[Gusoyama 98]

Here's how I see it:

13,14,15 wins with Yusho - Promotion

12 wins with Yusho, Possible promotion

14 wins without Yusho - Promotion

13 wins without Yusho - Possible promotion

12 without Yusho - no promotion.

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

(A yokozuna...) What is the rule for a yokozuna promotion? (A yokozuna...)

Can Hakuho be promoted after this basho?

Hakuho wins the basho...

...with a 15-0: Yes! (Applauding...)

...with 14-1 and a win over Asashoryu, I would say yes. (Applauding...)

...with 14-1 and a loss against Asashoryu and than a win in play-off, I would say yes. (Clapping wildly...)

...with 13-2 and a loss against Asashoryu and than a win in play-off, I don't know. (Showing respect...)

Am I right? Or how is the rule for promotion? (Laughing...)

You are way to harsh. The "rule" is two consecutive yusho or yusho-equivalent (which is clearly the case with any 14-1, debatable with 13-2). Your last scenario gives Hakuho still two consecutive yusho, which would result in a promotion, no questions asked.

[Tikozan 4]

Thanks, then my idea was right.

[YukataNinja 0]

I'm still new to sumo, but I heard Yokozuna promotion as looked at the record over the previous three bashos with 38/45 being a minimum. Hakuho went 10-5 and 13-2 (+playoff) the last two, meaning he would need a perfect 15-0, or do the 2 consecutive bashos trump this?

[Andreas 0]

3 consecutive basho(and win numbers) only matter for ozeki promotions, for yokozuna promotions its just 2 bashos, which have to be yusho or yusho equivalent, so the only case that is unclear would be a 13-2 jun-yusho if asa goes 14-1. 12 or less wins jun-yusho would not be enough for promotion I guess, but that seems pretty unlikely at the moment.

13-2 or 14-1 kettei-sen loss would probably do the job, as any yusho, of course.

Edited May 23, 2007 by Andreas

[Faustonowaka 114]

I'm still new to sumo, but I heard Yokozuna promotion as looked at the record over the previous three bashos with 38/45 being a minimum. Hakuho went 10-5 and 13-2 (+playoff) the last two, meaning he would need a perfect 15-0, or do the 2 consecutive bashos trump this?

The criteria for Yokozuna promotion promotion are: 2 consecutive Yusho (Blushing...) or an "equivalent" as an Ozeki.

This equivalent generally means at least 13 wins, but over the last 15-or-so years only Ozeki with 2 consecutive Yusho have been promoted. Takanohana II and Hakuho for example both had a Yusho followed by a 13-2 in the next tournament, but weren't granted the promotion.

Furthermore, te 3-basho-rule is only taken into account if the Ozeki's second tsunatori basho wasn't good enough. In this case, minimum 12 wins (and a jun-Yusho) will allow him to "carry over" his chances for promotion to the next tournament. KaioU and Tochiazuma were in this situation but never got the good result in their third tournament :-P . And even a Yusho in the third tournament doesn't guarantee promotion, ask Konishiki!!

So for Hakuho any Yusho means promotion, with no Yusho he needs at least 13, possibly 14 wins and Rijicho in a good mood.

[Marcomisakari 0]

No.

Ozeki promotion guideline is 33 wins over 3 basho, all in sanyaku, (and inofficially a good final basho of this 3 basho run)

Yokozuna Promotion guideline is 2 Yusho (or equivalent, like ketteisen-loss or 14-1 behind a 15-0) in a row as Ozeki.

The rules are not definite, the NSK may be a bit more strict or generous given the circumstances, but 2 yusho in a row are a safe deal.

[Afrozuna 8]

I'm still new to sumo, but I heard Yokozuna promotion as looked at the record over the previous three bashos with 38/45 being a minimum. Hakuho went 10-5 and 13-2 (+playoff) the last two, meaning he would need a perfect 15-0, or do the 2 consecutive bashos trump this?

no expert myself but i think that because he has already won a yusho b4 the one that started his tsunatori run it will count in his favour. 2 consecutive wins will definately seal it

[sashimaru 10]

I read the yusho-equivalent as:

In the yusho-hunt on day 15

With this in mind, a loss early in the basho may deny the promotion to yokozuna. On the other hand, if the loss is on the last day one may be promotet to yokozuna although the record is the same.

I think Hakuho needs a yusho-equivalent and at least 13 wins.

[Tikozan 4]

Ozeki promotion guideline is 33 wins over 3 basho, all in sanyaku, (and inofficially a good final basho of this 3 basho run)

...but Miyabiyama was not promoted to Ozeki in 2006 with 34 wins in ... (Haru 10-5, Natsu 14-1, Nagoya 10-5) (Blushing...)

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

Ozeki promotion guideline is 33 wins over 3 basho, all in sanyaku, (and inofficially a good final basho of this 3 basho run)

...but Miyabiyama was not promoted to Ozeki in 2006 with 34 wins in ... (Haru 10-5, Natsu 14-1, Nagoya 10-5) (Blushing...)

Perhaps You should again pay more attention to the answers You get, especially the parts highlighted above. Additionally, Miabiyama carried the burden of having already fallen from Ozeki before without ever winning a yusho.

(sorry if this sounds flippant, but that's reflecting my mood right now...)

[Kintamayama 44,646]

Additionally, Miabiyama carried the burden of having already fallen from Ozeki before without ever winning a yusho.

Yusho? He never had a double digit basho as an Ozeki. But...

HE"LL BE BACK!!

[Tikozan 4]

Ozeki promotion guideline is 33 wins over 3 basho, all in sanyaku, (and inofficially a good final basho of this 3 basho run)

...but Miyabiyama was not promoted to Ozeki in 2006 with 34 wins in ... (Haru 10-5, Natsu 14-1, Nagoya 10-5) (Blushing...)

Perhaps You should again pay more attention to the answers You get, especially the parts highlighted above. Additionally, Miabiyama carried the burden of having already fallen from Ozeki before without ever winning a yusho.

(sorry if this sounds flippant, but that's reflecting my mood right now...)

o.k. 10-5 is not a good final basho for Ozeki promotion...

[Gusoyama 98]

Additionally, Miabiyama carried the burden of having already fallen from Ozeki before without ever winning a yusho.

Yusho? He never had a double digit basho as an Ozeki. But...

HE"LL BE BACK!!

If Miyabiyama becomes Ozeki again, I will personally buy you $50 worth of (kosher) steak, and ship it to you.

[Kintamayama 44,646]

If Miyabiyama becomes Ozeki again, I will personally buy you $50 worth of (kosher) steak, and ship it to you.

OK, but it doesn't have to be kosher. I'll settle for Kobe.

[Gusoyama 98]

Don't know if I can afford Kobe. Kobe meatloaf, maybe? (I am not worthy...)