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[Rocks 1,807]

On 01/12/2022 at 02:50, Kintamayama said:

Double post for the future.. 

Ex Aminishiki has left Isegahama beya and opened Ajigawa beya in Tokyo today. Temporary residence, will move to permanent premises in July. First deshi, 17 year old Sakuraba, his nephew, entering Jonokuchi in January, did maezumo in Kyushu. 

I always figured Aminishiki would branch out. 

[Akinomaki 39,784]

13 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

16 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

The question is, does that mean Shimanoumi is imminently retiring? Not surprising if the former, since Shimanoumi has had almost entirely a year of MKs and might be feeling near the end of his rope.

It only may mean he's thinking about it - I guess Toyonoshima just saw no chance to get a kabu of his own and wanted to start his 2nd career before he turns 40. Interesting that Sponichi mentions the Izutsu myoseki WAS owned by the family of the late Sakahoko - so apparently Shimanoumi is in possession now. 

Toyonoshima said that he decided to leave after the Kyushu basho and "I turn 40. I thought that if there's something to change, now is the time." o

That may be the main reason, or it is like Zakzak looks at it o: he had no option for another kabu on loan, Shimanoumi is in danger of dropping to makushita next basho and wanted to have the kabu back. They mention that toshiyori kabu are traded now (again, though not allowed) for presumably over 100 million yen - the total income for 10 years of a plain oyakata.

[Akinomaki 39,784]

Okinoumi retired as of Jan. 14th and takes on the toshiyori name Kimigahama https://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaKyokaiInformation/detail?id=585

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Irumagawa-beya will be renamed Ikazuchi-beya sometime next month, as former Komusubi Kakizoe takes the reins ahead of the mandatory retirement of the present shisho (former Sekiwake Tochitsukasa) in April. That's according to Hideki Makihara, member of the House of Representatives for Chuo Ward in Saitama city, where the heya is located.

It's almost exactly 30 years since Irumagawa-beya was established, branching out from Kasugano-beya.

[Koorifuu 886]

22 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

Irumagawa-beya will be renamed Ikazuchi-beya sometime next month, as former Komusubi Kakizoe takes the reins ahead of the mandatory retirement of the present shisho (former Sekiwake Tochitsukasa) in April. That's according to Hideki Makihara, member of the House of Representatives for Chuo Ward in Saitama city, where the heya is located.

It's almost exactly 30 years since Irumagawa-beya was established, branching out from Kasugano-beya.

I'm curious to hear whether there's any reason why they won't do the usual kabu swaparoo when it's time to pass the baton.

[ryafuji 807]

I assume Irumagawa isn't actually that much more prestigious than Ikazuchi? 

[Asashosakari 18,786]

2 hours ago, ryafuji said:

I assume Irumagawa isn't actually that much more prestigious than Ikazuchi? 

Ikazuchi was a big name at one time as far as I know, to the point that the ja.wiki article about the former stables of the name refers to an "Ikazuchi-ichimon" (this predates the official recognition of ichimon as Kyokai power groups), but we're talking 100 years ago there. If I had to venture a guess - maybe it's because ex-Kakizoe isn't actually an Irumagawa product and so he's essentially just taking over the stable's assets here, not continuing a lineage he's part of?

Edit: That's from the "no knowledge is ever completely useless" department - my first run-in with Ikazuchi having major history and Ikazuchi-ichimon as a thing was a whopping 15 years ago, and it looks like I've only had one other opportunity to sort of mention it since ("powerhouse Ikazuchi-beya")...

Edited January 25, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

On 23/01/2023 at 16:07, Yubinhaad said:

Irumagawa-beya will be renamed Ikazuchi-beya sometime next month, as former Komusubi Kakizoe takes the reins ahead of the mandatory retirement of the present shisho (former Sekiwake Tochitsukasa) in April. That's according to Hideki Makihara, member of the House of Representatives for Chuo Ward in Saitama city, where the heya is located.

It's almost exactly 30 years since Irumagawa-beya was established, branching out from Kasugano-beya.

This will be effective from February 1st, it was announced earlier. At the same time, Wakafuji-oyakata (former Maegashira Otsukasa) will move from there to Kise-beya, something that had been rumoured for a while.

Elsewhere, as of today Otowayama-oyakata (former Maegashira Tenkaiho) has switched to the vacant Sanoyama myoseki, still as a borrower.

[Kintamayama 44,353]

Asakayama Oyakata (ex- KaioU) is now the deputy director of the judging department. Ajigawa oyakata (ex- Aminishiki) has joined the judging department. Takekuma (Goueidou), Hidenoyama (Kotoshougiku), Kakuryuu and Miyagino (Hakuhou) are now iin. Kiyomigata (Tochiouzan ) is now shunin. A reminder of the grades:

Rijicho

Riji

Fuku-riji

Yakuin-taiguu iin

iin

shunin

iin taiguu toshiyori

Toshiyori

Sanyo (if you have a radio)

Edited January 26, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Kaitetsu 277]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Asakayama Oyakata (ex- KaioU) is now the deputy director of the judging department. Ajigawa oyakata (ex- Aminishiki) has joined the judging department. Takekuma (Goueidou), Hidenoyama (Kotoshougiku), Kakuryuu and Miyagino (Hakuhou) are now iin. Kiyomigata (Tochiouzan ) is now shunin. A reminder of the grades:

Rijicho

Riji

Fuku-riji

Yakuin-taiguu iin

iin

shunin

iin taiguu toshiyori

Toshiyori

Sanyo (if you have a radio)

Where was the oyakata new rankings announced?

[Kintamayama 44,353]

4 hours ago, Kaitetsu said:

Where was the oyakata new rankings announced?

I dreamt them, but also Nikkan.

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202301260001130.html

[code_number3 694]

On 26/01/2023 at 20:14, Kintamayama said:

Sanyo (if you have a radio)

That's my water jet pump

Spoiler

 

[Kintamayama 44,353]

On 23/01/2023 at 18:07, Yubinhaad said:

Irumagawa-beya will be renamed Ikazuchi-beya sometime next month, as former Komusubi Kakizoe takes the reins ahead of the mandatory retirement of the present shisho (former Sekiwake Tochitsukasa) in April. That's according to Hideki Makihara, member of the House of Representatives for Chuo Ward in Saitama city, where the heya is located.

It's almost exactly 30 years since Irumagawa-beya was established, branching out from Kasugano-beya.

Official from today. 7 rikishi (including Shishi  the Ukranian), a gyoji, tokoyama and sewanin. 62 years since the last Ikazuchi beya folded.

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Yarimotsu 522]

Ok, I've done the math. Two messy Google Sheets tabs, at least 5 hours of database trawling, and some results where the actual happenings correlate very loosely with the expected values. 

By expected values alone, a 50% uptake of sanyo status should reduce the percentage of makuuchi retirees with 30+ sekitori basho who can become a longstanding oyakata from roughly 76% to 68%. I was forced to make assumptions to suit my own biases, so do not treat this as some kind of scientific conclusion. In practice the expected number of career oyakata retiring in any given year fluctuates massively from the mean and any situational implications of my research here are null. What I've calculated is a long-term trendline.

Another way to put it is that there will be 5-6 kabu per decade fewer coming to retirement so long as there remains 105 in total - if we extend the average non-sanyo career by 5 years. If we assume 50% uptake or an increase of 2.5 years to the average oyakata career, then we see roughly 3 kabu fewer coming up for use every decade. (Btw: I removed sanyo years from the already retired sanyo oyakata careers so we could see the 2010s without that option).

The major factor that both undermines and underpins my calculations is the exclusion of short-term kabu holders. Only those who were oyakata for at least a decade, or died trying, were included. This means we can get a sense of those who actually gave it a shot rather than just passing around kabu for a bit and giving up. In turn, that means my calculation of an average oyakata career comes to 27.2 years (retirees since 1970) - much higher than that average would be otherwise. This calculation determines the expected turnover of kabu - which will be higher in reality as some kabu acquisitions do not lead to an oyakata career. However I have decided to do it this way and treat that exclusion as a natural fact of the business - some will buy in with no real plan and be forced out by money, some will have other complications - but there will always be some number of kabu that are 'wasted' at any point in time. I could go more into depth why I think this exclusion is actually sound logic despite it being flawed statistics, but I won't bore you with that unless you ask.

 

If anyone wants to mess around with my messing around, or dig into my data to tell me it's all meaningless, here's a copy:

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IVTxKJ5lLB4B1BOo2gmkuIeDin4V7jLgSTo0Ue61--Y/edit?usp=sharing

 

PS: thanks to those over in the terunofuji interview thread for inspiring my late-night interest in finally calculating this mess. 

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

7 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

On 23/01/2023 at 16:07, Yubinhaad said:

Irumagawa-beya will be renamed Ikazuchi-beya sometime next month, as former Komusubi Kakizoe takes the reins ahead of the mandatory retirement of the present shisho (former Sekiwake Tochitsukasa) in April. That's according to Hideki Makihara, member of the House of Representatives for Chuo Ward in Saitama city, where the heya is located.

It's almost exactly 30 years since Irumagawa-beya was established, branching out from Kasugano-beya.

Official from today. 7 rikishi (including Shishi  the Ukranian), a gyoji, tokoyama and sewanin. 62 years since the last Ikazuchi beya folded.

I didn't remember Irumagawa having a sewanin so I checked - Aranonami has transferred from Fujishima-beya. It wasn't in the earlier announcement of the changeover, so I assume today is the date of transfer.

Okamisan Emi also has some sumo experience, having been part of Nichidai's women's sumo club. She hopes to use her own experience of injury, treatment and recovery to help the rikishi. Meanwhile, their eldest son Haruku will start at Saitama Sakae High School in the spring and intends to join the sumo club, surprisingly having no sumo experience before. Maybe we'll see him joining ozumo down the line.

The new signboard was written by sanyaku gyoji Kimura Shotaro.

Joined by son Haruku.

[Kintamayama 44,353]

The last time I was in Japan in April of 2019 I visited Musashigawa beya and Ikazuchi was the attached coach there. Nice turnaround. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Akinomaki 39,784]

pics variations

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and 2 not covered in my overviews yet:

http://www.sankei.com/article/20230201-5WYV7PGEUNKTBEZJACMFZYDYV4/

http://www.sanspo.com/article/20230201-4ETSMM7LGZJXTBULL4JHDJRVIE/

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Kagamiyama-oyakata (former Sekiwake Tagaryu) celebrates his 65th birthday and will stay on as sanyo.

[Muhomatsu 224]

I hear words from Ganaa himself that:

1) He will inherit Isegahama-beya and

2) He has heard directly of the plight of international sumo fans - knows of the recent YouTube takedowns -  and is willing to work to increase the popularity of sumo among the international community.　

無法松

[Kaitetsu 277]

2 hours ago, Muhomatsu said:

I hear words from Ganaa himself that:

1) He will inherit Isegahama-beya and

2) He has heard directly of the plight of international sumo fans - knows of the recent YouTube takedowns -  and is willing to work to increase the popularity of sumo among the international community.　

無法松

Wait, Ganaa being Big Teru? Thats interesting to hear directly from the man

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Irumagawa-oyakata (former Sekiwake Tochitsukasa) is 65 today, and is now listed as sanyo on the Kyokai site.

[Muhomatsu 224]

I recall reading somewhere that the retired Toshiyori have three ears to sell/dispose/etc. of their kabu post-retirement.  Any help with the reference is appreciated. If kabu have to be "sold" or "assigned" within three years (or they just revert to NSK ownership), then the Dekiyama and Kiriyama shares will be "up" next year.  I wonder if some of the current holders will become official owners, or if there are others waiting in line who have already "purchased" the shares.

Of course, all shares are "owned" by the Kyokai - but the ex-kabu holders still have a lot of sway in determining the next owner. It is so silly to put these items in quotes.  Sure, there is no official buying/selling of shares going on - only because the NSK just won't call these transactions as such.  

Edited May 22, 2023 by Muhomatsu
Error on my part - I recall reading "three years", not "two". So the shares will be up. Not "are up" already.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

52 minutes ago, Muhomatsu said:

I recall reading somewhere that the retired Toshiyori have two-years to sell/dispose/etc. of their kabu post-retirement.  Any help with the reference is appreciated. If kabu have to be "sold" or "assigned" within two years (or they just revert to NSK ownership), then the Dekiyama and Kiriyama shares are "up" and the Nishikijima share will come "up" next month.  I wonder if some of the current holders will become official owners, or if there are others waiting in line who have already "purchased" the shares.

Of course, all shares are "owned" by the Kyokai - but the ex-kabu holders still have a lot of sway in determining the next owner. It is so silly to put these items in quotes.  Sure, there is no official buying/selling of shares going on - only because the NSK just won't call these transactions as such.  

According to Chapter 9, Article 47 of the Articles of Incorporation, a retired oyakata can recommend a successor to their myoseki within five years of their retirement. It doesn't mention anything about the heirs of a deceased oyakata, although I think it's reasonable to assume it also applies in those cases.
 

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退職する年寄は、この法人に年寄名跡を襲名する者を推薦することができる。ただし、退職後５年以内を限度として推薦するものとする。

 

[Muhomatsu 224]

3 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

According to Chapter 9, Article 47 of the Articles of Incorporation, a retired oyakata can recommend a successor to their myoseki within five years of their retirement. It doesn't mention anything about the heirs of a deceased oyakata, although I think it's reasonable to assume it also applies in those cases.
 

 

Does that count for Sanyo positions as well?

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

5 minutes ago, Muhomatsu said:

Does that count for Sanyo positions as well?

No way to know for sure but personally I doubt it, more likely the five year recommendation period starts at 65 and runs concurrently with the sanyo's consultancy contract. (It would be absurd to have them still having a say up to the age of 75!)