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[WAKATAKE 2,631]

On 4/20/2018 at 19:36, Gurowake said:

 What's the youngest that a future oyakata has retired at?  

Ushiomaru comes to mind after he was hand picked by Takamiyama to succeed Azumazeki beya.

Tokitsuumi also had a premature retirement due to the Tokitsukaze hazing scandal.

[Raishu 207]

11 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Ushiomaru comes to mind after he was hand picked by Takamiyama to succeed Azumazeki beya.

Tokitsuumi also had a premature retirement due to the Tokitsukaze hazing scandal.

Both had already passed age 30 when they retired - but still pretty young.

I remember Kongo retired at the age of 28, but I'm not sure if he was the youngest ever.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=4072

Edited April 24, 2018 by Raishu

[ryafuji 807]

7 hours ago, Raishu said:

Both had already passed age 30 when they retired - but still pretty young.

I remember Kongo retired at the age of 28, but I'm not sure if he was the youngest ever.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=4072

Think he was 27 actually. Daiju (ex-Asahiyama Oyakata) was also 27 when he retired.

[Asashosakari 18,783]

Ripped from the DB in a not very elegant way, so I can't vouch for complete accuracy: Oyakata taking on their first kabu before age 30. Does not include double license periods (i.e. active rikishi executing kabu rights).

Since 1958 - rikishi marked * didn't make it to the contemporary eligibility standards:

26y  1m  1972  S   Fujinokawa
26y  7m  1969  S   Wakamiyama
26y  8m  1976  M2  Yoshioyama

27y  1m  1977  O   Daiju
27y  5m  1967  M9  Matsumaeyama*
27y  7m  1967  M3  Udagawa
27y  9m  1976  S   Kongo

28y  1m  1976  M7  Teruzakura
28y  1m  1978  M5  Chiyozakura
28y  3m  1974  M3  Tochifuji
28y  6m  1968  S   Kairyuyama
28y  6m  1985  O   Kotokaze
28y  6m  1989  K   Hananoumi

28y  8m  1966  Y   Tochinoumi
28y  9m  1991  Y   Onokuni
28y 10m  1972  M1  Tochioyama
28y 10m  1990  K   Maenoshin
28y 10m  1992  Y   Hokutoumi

29y  0m  1971  M1  Asasegawa
29y  0m  1974  O   Maenoyama
29y  0m  1990  S   Masurao
29y  1m  2000  Y   Wakanohana
29y  2m  1965  M11 Miyabashira
29y  3m  1996  M13 Owakamatsu*
29y  4m  1971  M5  Kaigo*
29y  4m  1995  M2  Daishoyama

29y  7m  1965  S   Hagurohana
29y  7m  1970  S   Kainoyama
29y  8m  1967  S   Wakamisugi
29y  8m  1968  S   Wakachichibu
29y  8m  1973  M12 Asaarashi
29y  8m  2000  M1  Ganyu
29y  9m  1983  Y   Wakanohana
29y 10m  1973  M1  Yoshinohana
29y 10m  1982  M11 Daigo
29y 10m  1990  M1  Fujinoshin*
29y 11m  1978  M2  Asanobori
29y 11m  2006  M8  Takanotsuru

Modern era before 1958 - most of these weren't anywhere near the contemporary standards, even accounting for them having fewer tournaments per year:

24y  6m  1950  J2  Senshuzan
25y 10m  1949  M21 Hakunozan
27y  0m  1941  M15 Genjiyama
27y  8m  1935  M12 Raizan
27y  8m  1942  M19 Wakanami [age at retirement; first kabu taken on one year later]
27y 10m  1942  M5  Kojimagawa
28y  5m  1931  M2  Hoshikabuto
28y  7m  1950  S   Kamikaze
28y 11m  1931  J9  Isenishiki
29y  0m  1952  M21 Asawaka
29y  0m  1953  J7  Yamatonishiki
29y  1m  1940  K   Tomoegata
29y  5m  1954  S   Fudoiwa

[Akinomaki 39,755]

On 4/5/2018 at 16:55, Yubinhaad said:

On 4/5/2018 at 01:06, Asashosakari said:

Furthermore, three of the eight re-employed oyakata have an expanded job description of "Lifestyle Guidance (in charge of etiquette education)" now, namely Dekiyama, Oshima and Oyama. I'm looking forward to finding out what that will entail specifically...

It was mentioned in a short article about a week ago, which mentioned they will be giving instruction on attire and greetings. Oyama served at the sumo school for a long time, while Oshima was director of it in the last few years of his regular oyakata service if I recall correctly. Dekiyama is apparently known for his strictness.

This etiquette trio started to work this basho. They are patrolling the kokugikan as a team and individually observe the attire and behavior of  rikishi and oyakata also in the area around the kokugikan and in the trains in which they arrive to work. Their duties are to give (gentle) reminders and call for attention.

Dekiyama: "We'll be watching over the proper manners on the dohyo up to the attitude in daily life. Everything from the point of view of the visitors", targeting conduct that causes discomfort or appears disagreeable.

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20180516/sum18051605000001-n1.html

Edited May 18, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Yubinhaad 11,541]

Chunichi reports that Endo became the new owner of the vacant Kitajin myoseki as of the 26th. (Not retiring though, before anyone asks)

[Asashosakari 18,783]

2 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Chunichi reports that Endo became the new owner of the vacant Kitajin myoseki as of the 26th. (Not retiring though, before anyone asks)

Interesting that the share has gone to another ichimon. Kind of surprising considering the heya of the previous holder has a rikishi (Shohozan) who may not be ages away from needing one.

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

15 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Interesting that the share has gone to another ichimon.

Is the whole ichimon structure even alive anymore, or is it turning into a hollow tradition?

[Asashosakari 18,783]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

Is the whole ichimon structure even alive anymore, or is it turning into a hollow tradition?

It certainly does feel sometimes that it just matters for ceremonial stuff, training sessions and the biennial elections now.

[Yubinhaad 11,541]

Tanigawa-oyakata (fomer Sekiwake Hokutoriki) has moved from Hakkaku-beya to Kokonoe-beya, Nikkan reports.

[Asashosakari 18,783]

Guess I might as well copy the apparent Ikioi-owning-Kasugayama news over here so the marriage thread doesn't get side-tracked:

 

[Asashosakari 18,783]

On 4/1/2018 at 21:12, Asashosakari said:

• New fuku-riji Hanakago and Izutsu have directly taken over the responsibilities in jungyo and security previously held by outgoing Tamanoi and Shibatayama (...)

And now the third fuku-riji Fujishima (ex-Musoyama) has also been made a deputy director of the security department (per June 28), for some reason.

[Raishu 207]

It has been reported that ex-Onishiki (Yamashina Oyakata) will not make use of the re-employment system and retires from the Kyokai altogether. LINK

He turned 65 on the 11th of September and vacates his post as special executive.

I think with that many eligible Rikishi within Dewanoumi-ichimon, we will hear from a new owner pretty soon.

 

[Washuyama 635]

10 hours ago, Raishu said:

x-Onishiki (Yamashina Oyakata) ...   retires from the Kyokai

One of the last few from the era when I started watching in the mid to late 70s.  I remember seeing him in the KK a few years ago and couldn't recall his kabu.  I smiled and greeted him as Onishiki-zeki.  He laughed as he continued walking.   

[Bumpkin 438]

Washuyama: Our "era" is over. Onishiki never lived up to the promise of his Makuuchi debut. At the age of 20, he went 11-4 J, won all 3 Sansho and was immediately promoted to Komusubi. After that, he spent the rest of his career as an elevator rikishi.

[Asojima 2,870]

51 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Washuyama: Our "era" is over. Onishiki never lived up to the promise of his Makuuchi debut. At the age of 20, he went 11-4 J, won all 3 Sansho and was immediately promoted to Komusubi. After that, he spent the rest of his career as an elevator rikishi.

During that Komusubi basho, he went off the dohyo backward landing with his back right on the edge of the dohyo.  The damage to his back never healed properly, and he started doing the yo-yo routine.  He also was hit hard later by diabetes.  A rikishi with a load of potential done in by injuries. He was part of my era too.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Asojima

[Kintamayama 44,346]

Tatsunami beya is moving to Dewanoumi Ichimon. The Ichimon will convene in the coming days to affirm this. Back in July, the Kyokai decided that the heyas that are currently unattached, should get attached. "We will discuss this with the other Ichimon Oyakatas that have their own  views and will make a final decision as an Ichimon," said Nakadachi Oyakata.

Edited September 19, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 44,346]

The Ounomatsu Group (ex-Takanohana Ichimon , the three Oyakatas from Ounomatsu beya, Chiganoura Oyakata, and Ootake Oyakata),  and unattached Shikoroyama Oyakata, Tatsutagawa Oyakata and Minato Oyakata will all be joining Nishonoseki Ichimon right after Aki basho, it has been reported today.  All this is not official yet, but should be soon.

Edited September 20, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Akinomaki 39,755]

Takanohana-beya is not remaining?

[Kintamayama 44,346]

Just now, Akinomaki said:

Takanohana-beya is not remaining?

No mention at all. Remaining for sure, but not being counted.

[Asashosakari 18,783]

For inter-linkage, some previous news on all this was in:

Might as well continue here in babu now, since these developments have moved it beyond just Takanohana-ichimon stuff.

My last post in there:

On 22/06/2018 at 14:59, Asashosakari said:

Let the bidding begin... Can't really imagine that "Onomatsu group" will still be around by the time of the next elections, it's five votes that can't really accomplish anything by themselves but could be valuable to every other ichimon, bar Dewanoumi perhaps. (Unless independents Minato and the Shikoroyama duo are joining the group soon - at 8 votes they'd be a significant enough faction on their own again.)

Tokiwayama will surely have to affiliate to another stable, no?

So it took even less time than I thought it would. I do still wonder what the heck is up with Tokiwayama though...the Nikkan article Kinta reported above again makes no mention of him as part of Chiganoura-beya.

And yeah, if there's now a mandate that all stables have to (re-)join one of the established five factions, surely Takanohana-beya will need to find a spot, too.

Edited September 20, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Kintamayama 44,346]

Nishonoseki Ichimon has accepted the following oyakata (and their heyas, if they own one) into its benevolent fold: Ounomatsu, Shikoroyama, Chiganoura, Ootake, Minato,and Tatsutagawa. The article says there are nine Oyakatas  joining but mentions only  six by name (I'm guessing the others are attached Oyakata Shiranui, Otowayama and Tokiwayama). Nishonoseki Ichimon now numbers close to 30 oyakata, closing in on Dewanoumi Ichimon.

Edited September 21, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Gurowake 3,915]

On 20/09/2018 at 01:32, Asashosakari said:

And yeah, if there's now a mandate that all stables have to (re-)join one of the established five factions, surely Takanohana-beya will need to find a spot, too.

If his heya is considered to have left the 6th ichimon that was established by Takanohana, then yeah, I suppose.  But if he says that he merely kicked everyone else out of that ichimon and that the ones kicked out had to join a different one since they were not recognized as an ichimon, I think Takanohana has a claim to remain in his own one stable ichimon, if that's what he wants.

[Asashosakari 18,783]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

If his heya is considered to have left the 6th ichimon that was established by Takanohana, then yeah, I suppose.  But if he says that he merely kicked everyone else out of that ichimon and that the ones kicked out had to join a different one since they were not recognized as an ichimon, I think Takanohana has a claim to remain in his own one stable ichimon, if that's what he wants.

At least the papers see it differently, and have included statements along the lines of "there are 5 ichimon making up the Kyokai, namely [insert names]" in the recent set of articles about this. Basically, the 6th ichimon ended when "Onomatsu group" came into existence after the election.

I suspect the brass are actually happy to let Takanohana-beya linger in some sort of pariah status here for a while, especially as it looks as though all the other stables haven't put up any fuss about this rejoin mandate, even Minato and Shikoroyama who seemed fairly independent-minded for a long time.

Takanohana as shimpan will be a bit of an oddity if it persists, since they're almost surely going to want to go back to splitting the 20 spots equally between the 5 groups. (That reminds me that there's a thread I've neglected...)

---

A lot of stables have moved to other groups since, but in total numbers we're almost back to the 2010 status from before Takanohana's rebellion, with Dewanoumi and Nishonoseki nearly at parity with around 30 oyakata each.

Edited September 22, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Kintamayama 44,346]

Takanohana is refusing to say what he intends to do, inviting some potential problems again. "I can't answer that," he said to the press when asked about his intentions regarding which Ichimon he will be joining. He needs to decide till September 27th when the rijikai will convene. If he doesn't he faces a possibility of the heya being taken from him, among other things.