shumitto 418 Posted November 21, 2013 Since no one has mentioned it yet: mid-November was the date for a big bunch of mandatory retirements. No less than four oyakata were to turn 65 during November 12th and November 18th. Which leave us with 8 vacant kabu as of now. We'll soon see what will happen to those after the new are have been enacted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamanaogijima 761 Posted November 22, 2013 Even 11. Or in other words: every tenth (!) of the 105 regular kabu is free today. Who would have guessed that in mid-2000, the time of the big kabu scarcity when borrowers had to excel in the discipline of kabu-hopping? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Before the deadline on the 20th for handing over all myoseki certificates, the NSK started an enquiry on the 16th among the oyakata who don't own their toshiyori kabu. On that day they called Shikihide-oyakata. After the interview he didn't give any statement. According to concerned parties, there are differences in opinion about managing the heya between him and the former Shikihide (former komusubi Oshio), who is said to still have the kabu in his possession. Kasugayama-oyakata still doesn't have his, he and other oyakata with kabu on loan will be called later. How to deal with those who fail to hand over their myoseki certificate will be discussed at the riji-kai on the 20th. http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131216-OHT1T00167.htm Edited December 17, 2013 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 17, 2013 Yoshikaze (31) acquired the Nakamura kabu. He went with Oguruma-oyakata to the NSK on the 16th to register it. He wants to go on till 40, still has not reached sanyaku and has no kinboshi. http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131216-OHT1T00165.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 17, 2013 The NSK announced on the 17th that Iwatomo-oyakata (Kinkaiyama) has changed his myoseki to Mihogaseki. http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013121700816 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 18, 2013 5 oyakata haven't yet handed over their myoseki certificate, among them Naruto-oyakata. Since the sudden death of the former Naruto, his wife has it in possession. The dialogue between the two sides is going on without success yet. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131218/sum13121822040001-n1.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) From the remaining 2 of the 5 oyakata without a myoseki certificate only the ichimon is known. After Shikihide from Dewanoumi, Kasugayama from Isegahama (former Tatsunami) and Naruto from Nishonoseki the other 2 are also from Isegahama. Apart from Kasugayama, 3 haven't provided the former holder or family with sufficient financial guarantees and didn't get the certificate from them. In the case of the remaining one the myoseki has been transferred to an active rikishi and the certificate is no longer in the hand of the oyakata. http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASF0TKY201312180508.html Edited December 19, 2013 by Akinomaki 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 20, 2013 Magaki-oyakata has handed in the papers to retire from the kyokai yesterday. He is the one to have given the myoseki to an active rikishi, the 2 have not come to an agreement about how to handle the myoseki exchange. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131220-OYT1T01000.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Sandanme yusho Hochiyama retired and took on the oyakata-name Kimigahama. Edited December 20, 2013 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pikenoyama 27 Posted December 20, 2013 Yoshikaze (31) acquired the Nakamura kabu. He went with Oguruma-oyakata to the NSK on the 16th to register it. He wants to go on till 40, still has not reached sanyaku and has no kinboshi. http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131216-OHT1T00165.htm Well right after Oguruma beya own Shiranui retired, Yoshikaze obtains Nakamura kabu? I love sumo as it never stops suprising me.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,513 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Magaki-oyakata has handed in the papers to retire from the kyokai yesterday. And accepted by the board as of today. The identity of that 5th oyakata was a real head-scratcher to me yesterday; can't say I'd have expected Magaki at all, and with his only recent move to Isegahama-ichimon I guess this doesn't even have to mean it's an active rikishi from that same ichimon... Now, for the identity of #4...Miyagino? Nakagawa (ex-Asahisato)? They're the only ones I can think of who could conceivably have prior-owner troubles. Edit: Or maybe Kumagatani (ex-Kanechika)...hard to tell which, if any, kabu the ex-Miyagino's widow may be holding the rights to now after that convoluted situation with the two shisho changes. Well right after Oguruma beya own Shiranui retired, Yoshikaze obtains Nakamura kabu? I love sumo as it never stops suprising me.... Somebody elsewhere made the amusing observation that Nakamura's objection to collegiate rikishi apparently doesn't go so far that he wasn't willing to pass his kabu to one of them. Edited December 20, 2013 by Asashosakari 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,513 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) I'll respond here since I'm not really talking about Hochiyama's intai: Former makuuchi Hochiyama (31) retired and became Kimigahama-oyakata in Sakaigawa-beya. At the riji-kai in November the requirement for becoming oyakata was lowered to 28 basho as sekitori, if the former holder of the myoseki and the shisho as guarantors hand in a written application and the riji-kai (was today) approves. (I missed that this new rule was established). Usually the requirement is 30 basho, Hochiyama has 29. http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013122000938 That makes even less sense than the Yoshikaze-Nakamura move...whatever happened to Okinoumi acquiring the Kimigahama share just two months ago? And while I'm happy for Hochiyama, this is such a transparent bending of the rules it's not even funny. At least Hamanishiki only took advantage of a long-standing exception... Edited December 20, 2013 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,513 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Now, for the identity of #4...Miyagino? Nakagawa (ex-Asahisato)? They're the only ones I can think of who could conceivably have prior-owner troubles. Edit: Or maybe Kumagatani (ex-Kanechika)...hard to tell which, if any, kabu the ex-Miyagino's widow may be holding the rights to now after that convoluted situation with the two shisho changes. Ah, Sports Hochi has already confirmed that it's Kumagatani. More Hochi: Shikihide (ex-Kitazakura) is no longer in hot water as he somehow managed to produce the certificate at today's board session. For the other three the deadline has been extended to January 12, the first day of the Hatsu tournament. All three explained their situation at an all-oyakata (except directors) meeting today, and according to somebody in attendance it's what's already been surmised - talks between them and the respective holders of the deeds have broken down over various things. The crisis committee in charge of dealing with the matter has told the three oyakata that sanctions all the way up to outright dismissal may await them if they cannot produce the documents by January 12. For his part, Kitanoumi-rijicho commented, "This is a major issue for the overall Association to contend with, it's not just a problem of each individual oyakata. We'll be dealing with it strictly." Edit: Incidentally, Magaki has officially resigned for the ever-popular "health reasons". Sad career end for such a once-famous and highly successful rikishi. Edited December 20, 2013 by Asashosakari 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pikenoyama 27 Posted December 20, 2013 Sandanme yusho Hochiyama retired and took on the oyakata-name Kimigahama. ...while becoming the youngest active oyakata, if I am not mistaken (the former youngest one being Futeno). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,513 Posted December 20, 2013 Sandanme yusho Hochiyama retired and took on the oyakata-name Kimigahama. After all just on loan from Okinoumi, says Mainichi, so at least that's settled. Should be making him the last rikishi to secure a borrowed share unless somebody else whose career is going the wrong way blinks before the end of the year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 20, 2013 Magaki-oyakata has handed in the papers to retire from the kyokai yesterday. And accepted by the board as of today. The identity of that 5th oyakata was a real head-scratcher to me yesterday; can't say I'd have expected Magaki at all, and with his only recent move to Isegahama-ichimon I guess this doesn't even have to mean it's an active rikishi from that same ichimon... Magaki-oyakata has given the certificate to a Tokitsukaze-ichimon rikishi. http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASF0TKY201312200388.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) The crisis committee in charge of dealing with the matter has told the three oyakata that sanctions all the way up to outright dismissal may await them if they cannot produce the documents by January 12. For his part, Kitanoumi-rijicho commented, "This is a major issue for the overall Association to contend with, it's not just a problem of each individual oyakata. We'll be dealing with it strictly." For the change to the new corporate status to have it take place in January has become difficult. The kyokai bundled control of the myoseki being delayed is one reason. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131220/sum13122022040007-n1.html Kitanoumi-rijicho has apparently for that reason declared that the 3 may be dealt with harshly if they fail to produce their myoseki certificates. If Naruto-oyakata gets dismissed, that surely would influence Kisenosato's yokozuna run. Kumagatani-oyakata failed to comply with the enquiry, but names the situation in the family as reason for not having the certificate. Kasugayama-oyakata will battle it out in court with the former K. - first oral proceedings were today. The former K. admitted to have used the certificate as security for a loan and still claims it to be legitimate – though forbidden by kyokai rules. http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013122001028 http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131220/sum13122020330006-n1.html http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131220-OYT1T01186.htm http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/f-sp-tp3-20131220-1233980.html http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131220/sum13122016140001-n1.html Edited December 20, 2013 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toonoryu 1 Posted December 20, 2013 Magaki-oyakata has handed in the papers to retire from the kyokai yesterday. And accepted by the board as of today. The identity of that 5th oyakata was a real head-scratcher to me yesterday; can't say I'd have expected Magaki at all, and with his only recent move to Isegahama-ichimon I guess this doesn't even have to mean it's an active rikishi from that same ichimon... Magaki-oyakata has given the certificate to a Tokitsukaze-ichimon rikishi. http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASF0TKY201312200388.html Homasho or Ikioi ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muhomatsu 245 Posted December 20, 2013 Probably Homasho - that was my guess. Sad day for me with Hochiyama retiring. However, he does get to stay around - so that makes me happy. Better really obtain a share, though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 21, 2013 Former Magaki-oyakata now is no longer members of the NSK, and for former holders (and their family) there is no obligation to present the myoseki certificate they have in their possession: http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131220-OHT1T00195.htm The kyokai thus has problems to collect all certificates even if the 3 culprit oyakata can present theirs till Jan. 12th. I don't know what keeps them from just declaring all old certificates invalid, as they are to issue new ones anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,513 Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) I don't know what keeps them from just declaring all old certificates invalid, as they are to issue new ones anyway.Could be in conflict with their current "former members and heirs are allowed to keep the kabu for up to three years" rule, though that's just a guess on my part. I do think the Kyokai doesn't have the same quasi-legal power over those people that it does over its actual members, but it's hard to say what that means in practice. Incidentally, Sports Hochi also says that according to its sources ex-Takanotsuru is looking for a new kabu to use and present (from among the currently vacant ones, of course). That's an...interesting...idea for a heya-owning oyakata. It would get him clear with the Kyokai, I presume, but he'd still be running a stable that's subject to interference by the former shisho's widow. Unless Wakanosato retires and takes over both the Naruto name and heya, or something... And it's confirmed that ex-Kanechika's issues are with the family of the late Miyagino[9] whose daughter he married back in 2004, which allowed him to become oyakata to begin with - first as Miyagino, then as Chikubayama after his "I claimed to my mistress that I tried to buy a yusho and yokozuna promotion for Hakuho" scandal caused him to be deposed from the heya leadership. The papers are coy about it (for privacy reasons, I presume), but - is that marriage actually still on? Edited December 21, 2013 by Asashosakari 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,501 Posted December 21, 2013 I love all this intrigue! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 25, 2013 Naruto-oyakata changed his myoseki and heya name to Tagonoura, announced today by the NSK. Naruto-beya disappears, Kisenosato will have his yokozuna run as a Tagonoura-beya rikishi. The Tagonoura myoseki was in the possession of the family of the last T., former Kushimaumi, who died in February last year. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/12/25/kiji/K20131225007269150.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 25, 2013 (On loan from Toyonoshima) Nishikijima-oyakata, former Zaounishiki (61) has acquired the Takekuma myoseki, the name change was announced today. http://mainichi.jp/sports/news/20131226k0000m050077000c.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,670 Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) Naruto-oyakata changed his myoseki and heya name to Tagonoura, announced today by the NSK. Tagonoura is in Dewanoumi-ichimon, Naruto was Nishonoseki – it is not fixed yet if he'll change the ichimon as well. http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNSSXKD0892_V21C13A2000000/ He may also have to change the premises of the heya, the widow of the former Naruto may not consent to have a Tagonoura-beya there: “The rikishi come first. I want to quickly arrange for a place to train and to sleep.” http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/news/131225/mrt13122522490001-n1.htm http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/news/131225/mrt13122522540002-n1.htm Edited December 25, 2013 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites