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Latest kabu-babu changes

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On 21.4.2017 at 18:09, WAKATAKE said:

So I guess now the bets are on which one he gets?

Haven't seen anything specific yet, but guesses elsewhere have focused on Magaki (Tokitenku estate) and Oyama (same ichimon, mandatory retirement in October). The latter may be blocked by yet another re-employment though, given that Oyama has been a long-time fixture in the administrative ranks and seems to be well-regarded behind the scenes.

Outside of those the current choice of "open" kabu looks pretty bare - Onogawa (Kitanoumi estate) is unlikely to leave Dewanoumi-ichimon, and with the ill-fated Kasugayama and Kumagatani shares it's arguably not even clear who's holding the rights to sell them.

If Asasekiryu has some longer-term target it wouldn't be hard to arrange an interim loan. Takasago-ichimon is loaning out two shares at the moment, which would certainly get recalled if there's a need for one of their own. Potentially bad news for Hochiyama (in Okinoumi's Kimigahama) or Tosayutaka (in Chiyootori's Sanoyama).

If I had to bet, I'd go with Magaki. That kabu has been a hot potato in recent years anyway - if Asasekiryu takes it, it would be in its 5th ichimon since 2010 - and it's unlikely that the Tokitsukaze group will have much of a way of preventing another move.

 

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I could not find a seperate thread (intai announcement) for this, so I will post it here:

 

According to the NSK's website, Sadanofuji has decided to end his active career and is now known as Nakamura Oyakata (on loan from Yoshikaze).

 

And for completion: Asasekiryu is now Nishikijima Oyakata (on loan from Toyonoshima)

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Sadanofuji's intai was noted when it happened in the basho talk thread, but it's surely worth a mention here too.

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While we're at it, a link back to the thread on Asasekiyu's intai:

Mainly for the discussion of the surprising development that he's supposedly owning the Nishikijima kabu, not borrowing it.

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13 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

While we're at it, a link back to the thread on Asasekiyu's intai:

Mainly for the discussion of the surprising development that he's supposedly owning the Nishikijima kabu, not borrowing it.

Well that would explain why he was listed above  oyakata merely borrowing one. But what would posses Toyonoshima to give it up?

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3 hours ago, Rocks said:

But what would posses Toyonoshima to give it up?

My blind guess (if it has actually happened): He has come into possession of stablemate Tokitenku's Magaki kabu and prefers that one over Nishikijima.

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Ooshima Oyakata, ex-Kyokutenhou, will assume the Tomozuna name and will inherit the heya, as current Tomozuna Oyakata will be retiring soon, it was officially announced today. This will be the first time a Mongolian born rikishi will become an Oyakata, and the first time that a Mongolian born rikishi will inherit a name. "Till today's rijikai session, I really didn't fully comprehend the fact that I was inheriting a heya with a great tradition, but after it became official, I'm really nervous.." said the new heya owner. He joined sumo with Ooshima beya, but when it folded he moved to Tomozuna where he was a coach for the last two years after his retirement. So after only  two years , he now owns a heya. "I was in two heyas under two different Oyakatas. I'll take from them  what I see as the good things and  lead my deshi. I'd like there to be a friendly atmosphere at the keiko-ba and I'd like to have rikishi who people will support.." said ex-Kyokutenhou. He will be scouting for new recruits as well. "I'd like to get some advice from my elders and scour the land for prospects.." he summed.

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Does that mean the current Tomozuna will be leaving completely and not taking on the five-year "consultant" role? That will also free up the Oshima kabu, of course.

Edited by ryafuji
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Posted (edited)

The choice between reopening Oshima and staying with Tomozuna surely was a no-brainer. Taking the ex-Oshima rikishi out of Tomozuna would seriously affect everyone's training, and going to Oshima without them would necessitate a new start with newly scouted deshi, not to mention having to buy a suitable building (either the old Oshima building or a new one) and fitting it out again from scratch. 
Perhaps there are sentimental reasons to hesitate for a few seconds or so before making that decision, but this solution is infinitely better for everyone.

Go Tomozuna!!

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On 1.6.2017 at 16:23, ryafuji said:

Does that mean the current Tomozuna will be leaving completely and not taking on the five-year "consultant" role? That will also free up the Oshima kabu, of course.

The Kyokai has now announced that Tomozuna and Oshima will be switching their kabu effective June 11. I'm not sure if that's just a pro forma announcement to notify the public that ex-Kaiki will be the recognized owner of the Oshima share in his retirement, or if he's going to be using that name for re-employment purposes. The date is a bit odd, in any case, as it's ex-Kaiki's last day on the job so if he's retiring that should technically mean he'll be Oshima-oyakata for a single day.

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The news of Tomozuna's retirement conference mentioned that he'll chose to get reemployed.

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On 6/1/2017 at 10:06, Kintamayama said:

Ooshima Oyakata, ex-Kyokutenhou, will assume the Tomozuna name and will inherit the heya, as current Tomozuna Oyakata will be retiring soon, it was officially announced today. This will be the first time a Mongolian born rikishi will become an Oyakata, and the first time that a Mongolian born rikishi will inherit a name.

Would you please clarify this? If ex-Kyokutenhou was already Ooshima Oyakata, then how does his becoming Tomozuna Oyakata make it the first time a Mongolian born rikishi becomes an Oyakata? He was already an Oyakata, wasn't he?

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21 minutes ago, Fukurou said:

Would you please clarify this? If ex-Kyokutenhou was already Ooshima Oyakata, then how does his becoming Tomozuna Oyakata make it the first time a Mongolian born rikishi becomes an Oyakata? He was already an Oyakata, wasn't he?

He is the first mongolian oyakata to head a heya.

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4 hours ago, Benihana said:

He is the first mongolian oyakata to head a heya.

I never asked anything about heading a heya.  "This will be the first time a Mongolian born rikishi will become an Oyakata". He already was an Oyakata, so I asked for clarification of that point.

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1 hour ago, Fukurou said:

I never asked anything about heading a heya.  "This will be the first time a Mongolian born rikishi will become an Oyakata". He already was an Oyakata, so I asked for clarification of that point.

And Benihana provided you with that clarification..... Kinta wrote "first oyakata", but meant "first shisho".

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1 hour ago, Fukurou said:

I never asked anything about heading a heya.  "This will be the first time a Mongolian born rikishi will become an Oyakata". He already was an Oyakata, so I asked for clarification of that point.

My bad. First shisho. First head of a heya. Honest mistake.

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19 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

My bad. First shisho. First head of a heya. Honest mistake.

Yep, honest mistake. Thanks for the clarification and for all you do here

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wow, and Hakuho was planting rice paddies earlier in the day in Hokkaido. 

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1 hour ago, rhyen said:

wow, and Hakuho was planting rice paddies earlier in the day in Hokkaido. 

Both today's news, but the rice articles were about yesterday.

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On 25.10.2016 at 15:29, Akinomaki said:

So Aminishiki has no hope to really recover from that injury and needs the Ajigawa myoseki soon - and the newly wed gets some more time (assuming he still only has his kabu on loan).

I'm so glad, Aminishiki still didn't join the lizard people, but what are his plans when the inevitable happens?

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