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12 minutes ago, Benihana said:

I have a question regarding the mandatory retirement age. I thought it was 65 years, but when i checked the list of sumo elders i found 1 exception.

Why does beloved Furiwake have to retire at 59?

Wrong date in the database? Special rule for robots? Nerd-bashing?

It was simply an error I made when writing the article. Thanks for letting me know. (You can also use the "talk page" of the article itself.)

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1 minute ago, ryafuji said:

It was simply an error I made when writing the article. Thanks for letting me know. (You can also use the "talk page" of the article itself.)

You're welcome and thanks for the quick update. :-)

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Takashima Oyakata (ex-Sekiwake Koubouyama) has left Oitekaze beya and moved to Miyagino beya, it has been established today. He belonged to the now defunct Kasugayama beya and moved with anyone else that didn't retire to Oitekaze beya before the last basho. It is now increasingly looking like Kasugayama beya will not be resurrected soon.

Now watch it happen tomorrow.

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Still waters run deep. I don't know what is going on here but seems like some sumo politics going on. 

 

Also, Isegahama now becomes the smallest ichimon with only 4 stables. Despite that they have 3 Y/Os and other makuuchi along with Aminishiki. is Iseganama getting frozen out or are they making room for the new Hakuho and Harumafuji stables when they retire?

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Maybe there are not enough kabus within the Isegahama Ichimon to go around for the potential numbers of future oyakatas?

or maybe it is a fight over money? Does the NSK give every ichimon some sort of budget to divvy up among themselves? 

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Maybe Oitekaze wants to be elected to the board and sees a much better chance of that happening as the #2 nomination behind Kagamiyama than as the #2 behind Isegahama. The newly expanded Tokitsukaze-ichimon has 20 votes at the moment (which would be enough to secure two spots on the board), quite a bit more than the Isegahama group could muster.

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expanded for clarity

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Looking a bit further at the linked Nikkan article, the move is being blamed by unnamed insiders on "differences of opinion with the Isegahama-ichimon", coupled with some nebulous justification about how both Tokitsukaze founding father Futabayama and Oitekaze-oyakata originally hailed from the same Tatsunami-beya.

Incidentally, the article also says that Kasugayama-oyakata isn't part of this move - it might not matter much since he could well lose his oyakata status altogether in a few days, but that's still a very awkward situation for the moment as he's essentially orphaned now without any stable affiliation.

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41 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Incidentally, the article also says that Kasugayama-oyakata isn't part of this move - it might not matter much since he could well lose his oyakata status altogether in a few days, but that's still a very awkward situation for the moment as he's essentially orphaned now without any stable affiliation.

I know there isn't actually a Kasugayama heya at the moment but is that heya moving to Tokitsukaze ichimon? Does it have to because Oitekaze is?

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50 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

coupled with some nebulous justification about how both Tokitsukaze founding father Futabayama and Oitekaze-oyakata originally hailed from the same Tatsunami-beya.

Maybe we can construe something in connection with Tatsunami-beya also being no longer in the (former Tatsunami-)ichimon - with the difficulty that it went to Takanohana and not Tokitsukaze.

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14 hours ago, Rocks said:

Still waters run deep. I don't know what is going on here but seems like some sumo politics going on. 

 

Also, Isegahama now becomes the smallest ichimon with only 4 stables. Despite that they have 3 Y/Os and other makuuchi along with Aminishiki. is Iseganama getting frozen out or are they making room for the new Hakuho and Harumafuji stables when they retire?

Is the newly reopened Asahiyama heya not part of this ichimon?

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19 minutes ago, rhyen said:

Is the newly reopened Asahiyama heya not part of this ichimon?

I forgot about that.

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59 minutes ago, rhyen said:

Is the newly reopened Asahiyama heya not part of this ichimon?

No, that one has nothing to do with the old Asahiyama so it's just part of its new shisho's ichimon (Nishonoseki).

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17 hours ago, rhyen said:

perhaps this will shed a bit more light?

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20161225-00000011-nkgendai-spo

The usual rambling tabloid stuff - I think what it claims is this (and I could be misunderstanding it completely):

- Isegahama-oyakata was supporting Takanohana against Hakkaku's rijicho candidacy earlier this year, but has recently shifted his allegiance to the Hakkaku administration in order to curry favour, also putting himself more in line with most of his ichimon (Tomozuna is noted as a vocal anti-Takanohana guy).

- Oitekaze wasn't in favour of that realignment and decided to bolt, but rather than outright moving himself to Takanohana's camp, he has opted to go to Tokitsukaze-ichimon which is well known to be supporting Takanohana's cause under the radar.

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On 12/22/2016 at 15:06, Asashosakari said:

Looking a bit further at the linked Nikkan article, the move is being blamed by unnamed insiders on "differences of opinion with the Isegahama-ichimon",

On 12/26/2016 at 10:26, Asashosakari said:

- Isegahama-oyakata was supporting Takanohana against Hakkaku's rijicho candidacy earlier this year, but has recently shifted his allegiance to the Hakkaku administration in order to curry favour, also putting himself more in line with most of his ichimon (Tomozuna is noted as a vocal anti-Takanohana guy).

I just *knew* there would be some way to blame Takanohana and his power grabs for at least part of this.

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Asahiyama beya (under former Kotonishiki) will move out of the Nishonoseki Ichimon to Isegahama.  The article cites the friendship of the two oyakata as a reason.  Isegahama Ichimon recently lost Oitekaze beya to the Tokistukaze Ichimon.  

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20170112/sum17011222340012-n1.html

 

 

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Curiouser and curiouser...

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One might wonder if the reason he managed to get such a prestigious kabu from another ichimon in the first place was that he was committed/required to bring it back home eventually.

Well done by all concerned to make my comment just six posts ago look totally stupid, too. B-)

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9 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

The End: Kasugayama leaves the NSK, he couldn't agree on a pay-/settlement with the former - NHK just reported it.

I wonder if the NSK can now (or later) repossess Kasugayama's kabu certificate or if they can reissue it.

Just now, Akinomaki said:

The retirement has been accepted by the NSK http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK1H6GS0K1HUTQP01N.html

The side of the now former-former hadn't agreed on less money for the certificate and announced: "We want to see how the NSK and Kasugayama-oyakata decide from now on." http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20170116/sum17011613540008-n1.html

 

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A couple of changes to the shimpan group were announced earlier. Yamashina-oyakata (former Komusubi Onishiki) comes on board as a deputy chief, eventually to replace Tomozuna-oyakata (former Sekiwake Kaiki) who will reach the mandatory retirement age in June. However, Tomozuna will still serve as a deputy chief in the Haru basho, so there will be three deputies instead of the usual two. I just read that Yamashina served as a shimpan for a dozen basho in the mid-1990s, perhaps the last time he had any kind of public role? He will turn 65 himself in September 2018 so this is a rather stop-gap appointment.

Chiganoura-oyakata (former Komusubi Takamisugi) joins as a regular shimpan for the first time.

I can't find anything official about who is leaving the group, but Takenawa-oyakata (former Sekiwake Tochinonada) and Hanaregoma-oyakata (former Sekiwake Tamanoshima) have both joined the newly-created social contribution group (more on that later), so it could be them.


Chiganoura (left) and Yamashina at the press conference announcing their appointment.

Shimpan_2017_01.jpg

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21 minutes ago, Muhomatsu said:

Nakagawa Oyakata is going solo with the ex-Kasugayama-beya wrestlers. We will have a new stable in 2017 - Nakagawa-beya.

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1770554.html

 

 

Except that as mentioned over on the Kasugayama scandal thread ex-Asahisato with only four mauuchi basho doesn't come anywhere near the criteria for opening a "new" heya which are: be a yokozuna or ozeki, or have 20 tournaments in sanyaku, or have 60 basho in makuuchi. So it will have to be regarded as the takeover of an existing (albeit temporarily vanished!) heya.

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