Asashosakari 18,783 Posted January 17, 2007 Fair enough. So Kaio is the only Ozeki with 5 yusho that never became Yokozuna. Who is next? I'd say there must have been more than one ozeki with 4. Chiyo and Tochi have three. No, three is the most outside of Kaio. Konishiki and Shimizugawa were the other three-yusho winners besides the two current Ozeki you mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,783 Posted January 17, 2007 The 'conceptual Yusho' [i.e. not formally recognized ceremonially or in print I take it?] also was not linked directly to Yokozuna promotion, so Doits probably means more precisely that Kaio holds the record for most Yusho without Yokozuna promotion in an era where yusho are awarded and/or definitively determine promotion prospects. Seems like more of a semantic difference than anything else. I don't think it's just a semantic difference. Perhaps a modern-day analogy to the pre-1909 system would be a player voted MVP in a championship game/series. That doesn't make him the sole "champion" of the sport either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted January 17, 2007 It really wasn't just conceptual. How else do you explain wildly different number of bouts per rikishi, and rikishi not meeting other "yusho" contenders at all. Taking "yusho" seriously before 1909 is quite questionable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,783 Posted January 17, 2007 BTW, everyone's invited to spend a few minutes with Yubiquitoyama's list of pre-1909 top tournament records and check out how many times the "yusho" wasn't won by the guy with the most wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
