marujama 0 Posted November 26, 2006 (edited) Ok, I'm too quite a new member of this forum, but I've read it for a bit longer time. Is it really possible or acceptable for a member to take himself a name of active rikishi (and I'm talking about the starter of this thread). As I know, in Estonian sumo-forum only one member can carry the name of active rikishi - and he is the rikishi himself. Just such thoughts just came to my mind after reading this thread. Edited November 26, 2006 by marujama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumofan 6 Posted November 27, 2006 or acceptable IMO it's not. Using someone else's name is not done. And to choose the name of one of the greatest yokozuna ever and then spewing newbie comments is really asking for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 390 Posted November 27, 2006 Marujama wrote: Ok, I'm too quite a new member of this forum, but I've read it for a bit longer time. Is it really possible or acceptable for a member to take himself a name of active rikishi (and I'm talking about the starter of this thread). As I know, in Estonian sumo-forum only one member can carry the name of active rikishi - and he is the rikishi himself. Just such thoughts just came to my mind after reading this thread. Itachi replies: To each his or her own. I prefer to see a bit of individuality and originaliy so I'd prefer not to see real rikishi names used as forum names but if someone feels differently, I don't care. I find myself wondering whether my own name is original. Was there ever an Itachi in Ozumo? Ok, not so likely but it is possible that some well chosen forum names may have coincidentaly been real shikona. Everyone should be aware of any active sekitori shikona and avoid using it IMO, but if someone wants to use an unused (and preferably non-Hall Of Fame) shikona then why not? Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,822 Posted November 27, 2006 I too would like to see real world shikona banned for a simple reason: it makes conversation difficult! With someone posting "asashoryu said " you would have to guess which "asashoryu" applies - even more problematic for casual readers not familiar with this forum's members. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 530 Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Ok ban using proper Shikonas but that begs 2 questions- How was Asashoryu here supposed to know that it was unnaceptable and if there was no way of knowing,why are people giving him a hard time? (A yokozuna...) Edit- Jakusotsu,I think Zuikakiyama is referring to the picture with Kotooshus leg over the Yokozunas shoulder. Edited November 27, 2006 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumofan 6 Posted November 27, 2006 Ok ban using proper Shikonas but that begs 2 questions-How was Asashoryu here supposed to know that it was unnaceptable and if there was no way of knowing,why are people giving him a hard time? (A yokozuna...) You are right in that this should be mentioned at registration time. An even better idea would be to simply disallow shikonas unless the person is the rikishi himself. But there is such a thing as common sense. You do not use someone else's name as a nick or shikona. That would be like registering on a K1 forum and using 'Peter aerts' or 'Ernesto Hoost' or registering on a free fight forum and using 'Bas Rutten'. Or like registering on a straight razor forum and calling yourself a hone meister without having ever sharpened a razor. The same goes for your member status or whatever that thing is. Sometime ago there was a newbie who changed that to 'Dai Yokozuna' before even his first post. The fact that you know enough to know what a dai yokozuna is should be enough to know that doing it is not going to make you popular, especially if you start by posting pointless 'me too, Asa is teh greatest' posts. Note that I did not give anyone a hard time. Just a mildly sarcastic response to the original post. If that came of as rude, it was not my intention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marujama 0 Posted November 27, 2006 Sorry for starting OT in thread about yokozunas possible score in previous basho. I should have started it a new thread and not in honbasho talk section. But as I now see, other forumers are troubled too about new member taking himself a not suitable name. PS, can moderators do something to put posts about user-names into their right place. Sry once more (A yokozuna...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,856 Posted November 27, 2006 How was Asashoryu here supposed to know that it was unnaceptable Because naming yourself the same as a popular artist/athlete/whatever is a pretty lame thing to do on any forum? Maybe that's just me though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shibouyama 1 Posted November 27, 2006 Because naming yourself the same as a popular artist/athlete/whatever is a pretty lame thing to do on any forum? I'm sorry. I didn't know. While it sounds Japanese, Shibouyama is actually the name of a famous Norwegian-American athlete from Beaver Lake, Minnesota in the 1940-50's. (He changed his original name from Swenson to Shibouyama to "sound more American".) Anyways, he held the record for fresh water clam skipping (across the surface of a body of water, if your not familiar with this sport) for 17 years. Many thought his record of skipping a clam 72 times would stand forever until teen phenom, Walter Haakinson broke it with a still standing record of 85 skips. Sadly, the sport of clam skipping lost popularity soon after and is little watched today. Although, the town of Mossy Pine, Minnesota on Three Rivers Lake does still celebrate the annual Clam Skipping Festival where contestants each receive a free t-shirt and the winner receives 200$ and a case of Leinenkugel's Classic. I'm sorry again. Yes, something at registration telling new members it's best not to pick the same name as a popular artist or athlete would be best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted November 27, 2006 I'm sorry. I didn't know. While it sounds Japanese, Shibouyama is actually the name of a famous Norwegian-American athlete from Beaver Lake, Minnesota in the 1940-50's. (He changed his original name from Swenson to Shibouyama to "sound more American".) Anyways, he held the record for fresh water clam skipping (across the surface of a body of water, if your not familiar with this sport) for 17 years. Many thought his record of skipping a clam 72 times would stand forever until teen phenom, Walter Haakinson broke it with a still standing record of 85 skips. Sadly, the sport of clam skipping lost popularity soon after and is little watched today. Although, the town of Mossy Pine, Minnesota on Three Rivers Lake does still celebrate the annual Clam Skipping Festival where contestants each receive a free t-shirt and the winner receives 200$ and a case of Leinenkugel's Classic. I'm sorry again. Yes, something at registration telling new members it's best not to pick the same name as a popular artist or athlete would be best. (Whistling...) (A yokozuna...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted November 27, 2006 Sometime ago there was a newbie who changed that to 'Dai Yokozuna' before even his first post. There was? I don't remember the number of posts needed to change your title but I suppose it was 50 (?). Has it been changed? Not that I'd be interested. Just wondering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumofan 6 Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Sometime ago there was a newbie who changed that to 'Dai Yokozuna' before even his first post. There was? I don't remember the number of posts needed to change your title but I suppose it was 50 (?). Has it been changed? Not that I'd be interested. Just wondering. I never gave it much attention. I think you can override the default scheme with your own title or something like that. Edited November 27, 2006 by sumofan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,428 Posted November 27, 2006 As someone who has been using a famous former Rikishi's shikona, this whole discussion comes as a shock. If I would have known, I certainly would have used another name. I have been using this shikona since the old ML days, and no one complained. Now, I'm in a bind here. This is the picture of my namesake, who died after hitting his head on the dohyo at the age of 33. He held the rank of "Joudan" at the prime of his career, which does not exist anymore- but is equal to Maegashira 3 east of today. Only one rikishi was allowed to hold that rank during that basho, as it was a transitional time between the Tokutome and Damare shogunates, which were famous for their constant bickering over who invented frontier barriers. He was also the first one to drink chikaramizu when it was introduced, but of course it was sake and not water then. He was also the first rikishi to "lend his chest" to the younger rikishi, but stopped after he never got it back. He also had a thick neck. Kintamayama Kangaemon (1784-1817): Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 530 Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Sumofan- Since Kotoseiya created the original rules he should no better than anyone and his point was that you could only overide the default names after you have 50 posts under you belt,so the guy your talking about could not have been a newbie. Edited November 27, 2006 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasanishiki 57 Posted November 27, 2006 This is the picture of my namesake, who died after hitting his head on the dohyo at the age of 33. He held the rank of "Joudan" at the prime of his career, which does not exist anymore- but is equal to Maegashira 3 east of today. (Annoyed...) I see what you did there. Vaguely plausible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koriyama 0 Posted November 27, 2006 I also would like to confess. I have nothing in common with some guy named Koriyama, currently sandanme 12, but not for long, since he went 1-6. When I picked my nickname, I had absolutely no idea of his egsistence. Anyway, I hope to be promoted to juryo in Sumo game and therefore I presume that the only correct thing would be to change shikona. So, could please somebody who is in Japan go to this bloke and tell him to change his fighting name to avoid further misunderstandings?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted November 27, 2006 He held the rank of "Joudan" at the prime of his career, which does not exist anymore- but is equal to Maegashira 3 east of today.Wait, Tokitenku wasn't a joke. It's more like M5e of today... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumofan 6 Posted November 27, 2006 Sumofan-Since Kotoseiya created the original rules he should no better than anyone and his point was that you could only overide the default names after you have 50 posts under you belt,so the guy your talking about could not have been a newbie. From which moment on do you get a second star? because I distinctly remember him having only 1 star, and I had never seen him before. I cannot remember more. Sorry. My grey matter must be detoriorating, what with me becoming 30 when the clock strikes 12 tonight. (Annoyed...) I tried a forum search, but of course you cannot search for member title, so that did not help much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Ok I was t rying to pretend I have never seen nor read this thread but I was forced into it when I learned even Kotoseiya dipped into it. My shikona is obviously the same as the current Sanyaku rank gyoji Jonosuke Kimura of Tatsunami beya. Like Kinta-dono, I did not know there was a gyoji with the name when I picked it back in the old ML days. But since the real gyoji Jonosuke is in the next line to be promoted to Inosuke Shikimori, there will be no more Jonosuke in the real world in a couple of years so I believe it should be all right. Just addiotional information about the well known Joudan ranked Kintamayama Kangaemon - I recall he died after drinking 9.9 litres of poisoned sake offered to him after winning the Kabuki-cho basho held in the honor of Oppai, the Natto fertility goddess. It's been alleged that the sake was poisoned by a group of irate husbands who found out their wife has been attending Kangaemon's dohyo-iri ceremony. Edited November 27, 2006 by Jonosuke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,428 Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) I recall he died after drinking 9.9 litres of poisoned sake offered to him after winning the Kabuki-cho basho held in the honor of Oppai, the Natto fertility goddess. One small correction-he did not die from the poisoned sake itself, but from the aftermath-he was so drunk and drugged the next day he fell and hit his head on the iron dohyo they used to use. And Sugei Oppai was also the Goddess of All Dairy Products at one point, IIRC, sister of Keiko Suruhougaii, Goddess of Sweat. Of course, sumo training (keiko) is named after her. Edited November 27, 2006 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumofan 6 Posted November 27, 2006 Just addiotional information about the well known Joudan ranked Kintamayama Kangaemon - I recall he died after drinking 9.9 litres of poisoned sake offered to him after winning the Kabuki-cho basho held in the honor of Oppai, the Natto fertility goddess. 9.9 liters of sake would kill me by intoxication. never mind the poison. (Annoyed...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 530 Posted November 27, 2006 I tried a forum search, but of course you cannot search for member title, so that did not help much. The only incident I can think of was 'QTTP' who used the E.Yokozuna status but even though he didn't qualify he was a regular poster and had over a thousand posts when he last posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rijicho 6 Posted November 28, 2006 There was? I don't remember the number of posts needed to change your title but I suppose it was 50 (?). Has it been changed? I changed it at some point. Seems to be 200 now. Yes at least sekitori's shikona as such shouldn't be used here. "asashoryu" must change his name but "Koriyama" doesn't have to. More detailed rules unnecessary. Common sense etc. This is minor detail only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites