nirumaruyama 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Hi everyone, this is my first post on any kind of forum so I hope I know what I'm doing. Anyway, after 3 years of playing online sumogames (and nearly 6 years of following sumo) I still find myself ranked lowly in most of them. I've had 8 (or maybe 9) consecutive KK's in Sumo Oracle (and still in makushita) and I reached Maegashira in Fantasy Sumo last basho but games like UDH and GTB (best is 4 -11) still get the best of me. With Nishinoshima now intai it seems it is left to me to wave the Irish flag in online sumo and I'm not doing a very good job of it. Can any of the greats of online sumo pass on some of their tips or methods for success, please?? Thank you very much! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted September 19, 2006 copy my picks and reverse them (this should help you in Seki-toto very much). study Doitsuyama's power rankings. stay off Kasuganishiki in pre-basho games. Asashoryu wins all the time. . . . . that's about it ..... (Nodding yes...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,185 Posted September 19, 2006 Hmm, maybe you should try a more "German" approach then, whatever this amounts to. (Nodding yes...) As for me, for the pre-basho games you are mentioning I'm just making up a table with the likely matchups for the next basho and mathemagically drawing some conclusions which may or may not help in making the picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) Its different from game to game but I often think its like betting on the horses,you have to study the records for each rikishi carefully and dont just pick your favourites. If you dont play Sekitori toto,you should do it has all the information you need on all the bouts in the top 2 divisions-I make all my picks from the information on that site. Oh and dont pick Asasekiryu if you want him to win because he wont. Edit-Welcome to the forum by the way,take some time to do an intro on the intros sub-forum when you have time. Edited September 19, 2006 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,344 Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) I don't think there's really much of a secret to pre-basho games...all I do is look over each rikishi's recent records and try to figure out if their current banzuke rank makes them more likely to have a good or bad basho (and how good/bad), taking into account whether their area of the banzuke is particularly strong or weak in that basho. (So, basically the same as Doitsuyama's, just without doing any calculations.) Pre-basho games are tricky beasts anyway, since it often takes only one or two rikishi to really tank to hose one's game results. As for GTB, I'll say what I always say when this question comes up: Take an old banzuke (i.e. one for which you already know what the next one looked one), then go rank-by-rank figuring out which rikishi could go into each spot, and compare to what actually happened. I did that with a year's worth of banzukes before I entered my first GTB and what I learned from the exercise was good enough for 9-6 in my first attempt (and KK in all but two or so contests since then). Edited September 19, 2006 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nirumaruyama 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Thanks guys, I've been doing it the "German way" this basho (I've done up graph charts for all the Makuuchi ranks regarding wins, avg. wins etc for 2006). But maybe I've done the German way in a very Irish way!! GTB scuppers me everytime. Still, I'll be pleased to get over the 4 wins hump in that. For the daily games, do you think studying the head-to-head results is a better indication of who will win or the individual rikishi's badho results? I've been playing S4 since Nagoya 2004 and this year was the first time I managed to kachikoshi (and a Kanto-sho too!!). But most of the time I go by gut-instinct mixed with some background knowledge of my own. I can also recommend that no one should pick Jumonji for anything (unless it's a loss, whereupon he will win). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fukurou 534 Posted September 19, 2006 For the daily games, do you think studying the head-to-head results is a better indication of who will win or the individual rikishi's badho results? I've been playing S4 since Nagoya 2004 and this year was the first time I managed to kachikoshi (and a Kanto-sho too!!). But most of the time I go by gut-instinct mixed with some background knowledge of my own. For daily games I do a little of both. Some rikishi just Own others, regardless of their positions on the banzuke. But for games like SekiToto or ISP, I've also been known to check how a rikishi does vs common opponents before picking a match result. Don't give all that too much credence, though - in the games that I'm not a yo-yo rikishi in, I'm a bottom feeder. (Nodding yes...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,344 Posted September 19, 2006 For the daily games, do you think studying the head-to-head results is a better indication of who will win or the individual rikishi's badho results? I've been playing S4 since Nagoya 2004 and this year was the first time I managed to kachikoshi (and a Kanto-sho too!!). But most of the time I go by gut-instinct mixed with some background knowledge of my own.I can also recommend that no one should pick Jumonji for anything (unless it's a loss, whereupon he will win). Actually, up until maybe six months ago, Jumonji has always been one of my most reliable picks. (Being hypocrite...) There are plenty of guys who absolutely dominate him, but also several whom he dominates. I can't think of another middling rikishi whose head-to-head records exhibit such extreme splits by opponent. (Hokutoriki, perhaps, though for different reasons.) Of course, with Jumonji's back problems of late, he's become somewhat of a more difficult pick... Anyway, I concur with Fukurou...a little of both, depending on the rikishi. Mostly I do go by head-to-head record (limited to the last year, maybe year and a half), but keeping in mind who's having an especially good or bad basho. Moreso for those having a bad basho, since that's often indicative of an injury...watching the bouts can help here, obviously. (I miss the Juryo webcast. (Nodding yes...)) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted September 19, 2006 Don't get discouraged whatever you do - I find that years of watching sumo and game-playing has fine-tuned my subconciousness to make more reasonable picks then possible when my thinking brain is turned on. ;-) For prebasho games, I usually check their last basho results and I do know their overall level of form from expereince. So those that had really bad records last basho and are not injured are good candidates for high scores in the current one. Except Shuzan, who will only have an excellent score if he's at the very bottom of banzuke (for him it's one basho up, two to three bashos down usually). Same logic applies to prediciting really abismal scores for UDH... For daily games, I combine bothe past head-to-heads *and* current score in the basho, plus aforementioned undescribable gut feeling. Watching bouts from the current basho helps a lot to callibrate that gut feeling, because I become aware who's struggling and who is damn good much better than from bare results, or even comments on Forum/ML. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted September 19, 2006 One thing I love about the games is that all the information is there on every match. I was recently described as having 'a lot of sumo knowledge' (Blushing...) but the truth is I would be completely lost without the information Sekitori toto provides. At best I'm just good at reading and interpreting form. Keep reading this forum for information on injuries aswell because these things are not always obvious from watching matches and with no Kosho status a lot more rikishi are fighting with nagging injuries.(Most of the Ozekis,Hakurozan,Asasekiryu,Toyonoshima,Buyuzan,Mokononami,Kaiho) Oh and dont pick anyone to beat Otsukasa because they wont. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,970 Posted September 19, 2006 Oh and dont pick anyone to beat Otsukasa because they wont. (Blushing...)...and don't pick Otsukasa when he leads his opponent 7-1 ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekihiryu 51 Posted September 20, 2006 Be wary of Jumonji and Captain Disappointing - Tochinonada. They are both so erratic and lose when they should win and win when the should lose. Those two have cost me dearly so many times that I avoid them like the plague where possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takamueda 0 Posted September 20, 2006 1. Stay away from bouts involving Kyokushuzan in Chain Gang 2. Drink beer before you make your Banzuke for GTB 3. Play only the games you like 4. Don't get discouraged. I got 10 MK in my first 11 Sekitoto Bashos, but now, as I have some experience with it, the results get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted September 20, 2006 And dont get discouraged if the basho starts badly either,last basho in my first Makuuchi basho playing Bench sumo I was 2-5 on day 7 but won 7 matches in a row to finish 9-6(Lost on day 15). This basho I was 2-5 again on day 7 but I am now 6-5 and looking to repeat last basho if not better it. (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sashimaru 10 Posted September 20, 2006 And the most important hint for benchsumo: If Takanowaka climbs up to the maegashira-ranks, put him in your team. I feel sorry for every player, who wasn't able to make this experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hidariashiyama 0 Posted September 20, 2006 I'm actually in the same boat as you except that this is my first basho of any fantasy sumo game. My brother, Takanorappa, is quite experienced with these and gave me some tips, but I decided not to listen to him this time around. If Bench Sumo comes back up, you will notice I am in dead last on this one. I am 0-11 and can't get the right combination of rikishi together. However, I am 7-4 in Sekitori-Quad. I decided to start with Oracle and use those picks for the rest of my games. I printed out the records of this year's past bashos and examined each record as well as their position in the banzuke. I really don't see how anyone can predict that someone like Tamakasuga could be 0-11, when in Nagoya he was 11-4 and 9-6 in Haru. How about predicting Ama, who was 6-9 in Nagoya and is now 10-1? According to a couple reports, he was supposed to be terrible this basho. I read all of the news out there on injuries as well as reports from practice sessions and they didn't really help. Good luck with your "science" of these games. All in all, they are quite fun. Perhaps next time, I will listen to the elder Takanorappa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Araiwa 0 Posted September 20, 2006 1. !Most important thing is, to watch the action on the dohyo.! (too bad juryo-stream is gone) -Follow the news. (sumo-now.com, or sumotalk.com. banzuke.com mailinglist...) 2. Bet only on those, that you really like. (at least I feel rather bad when I bet against my personal favorites) 3. Go with your gut-feeling and regard the posts of the forums (sumoforum.com, http://tipspiel.sumofan.net, info-sumo.com...) And at last, the key to winning something, is to get the perfect mix out of your own feeling and the actual records of the rikishis. (I apologize for my all too bad english) ect. anybody else got the feeling juryo is close to lotto (and i don't mean lotto baggins) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted September 21, 2006 One thing I love about the games is that all the information is there on every match.I was recently described as having 'a lot of sumo knowledge' (Nodding yes...) but the truth is I would be completely lost without the information Sekitori toto provides. Now I'm (Censored) ,is it too late to request Kosho in all the daily games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,970 Posted September 21, 2006 If Bench Sumo comes back up, you will notice I am in dead last on this one. I am 0-11 and can't get the right combination of rikishi together.What gave You that idea? (Nodding yes...) Last time I checked You were 6-5 and on Your way to kachi-koshi. Looks like Your esteemed brother still has much to teach You... (Hugging...) BTW, welcome on board! (Blushing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted September 21, 2006 (edited) One thing I love about the games is that all the information is there on every match. I was recently described as having 'a lot of sumo knowledge' (In a state of confusion...) but the truth is I would be completely lost without the information Sekitori toto provides. Now I'm (Censored) ,is it too late to request Kosho in all the daily games? Ok that wasn't too bad I guess. Wins for sure in Sekitori quad,sumo game and Isp Almost certain wins in Banzai and Sekitori toto. Bench sumo I scored 11 points so we will see. I should listen to my own advice and not give up so easy (Help me...) Edited September 21, 2006 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hidariashiyama 0 Posted September 21, 2006 What gave You that idea? (In love...) Last time I checked You were 6-5 and on Your way to kachi-koshi. Looks like Your esteemed brother still has much to teach You... B-) You are most correct! I've been drinking too much Sapporo lately! ;-) I'm now 1-11 on the Sumo Game, not Bench Sumo. I actually just realized today that you can the Sumo Game is a daily game where I can change the lineup! (Laughing...) So I think it may help keeping up with the stats and getting people like Tamakasuga off the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nirumaruyama 0 Posted September 21, 2006 Thanks for the info everyone. I will be doing my best to get at least 8 in the next basho! There is indeed a lot of green on my stats pages!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites