Reonito
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8 hours ago, Shatsume said:That's 4 points dropped already, great
Only 2, right? The rank (ozeki) is still correct, I don't believe the scoring counts O2 as a separate rank.
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1 hour ago, pricklypomegranate said:Once he does retire, is Hakuho all that's left of the old guard in Makuuchi (of course Shohozan counts, but he is in Juryo and does Tamawashi count?)?
Perhaps surprisingly, Sadanoumi has the oldest Hatsu dohyo in Makuuchi after the two Yokozuna.
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2 hours ago, Asashosakari said:This would have been hilarious as a joke, and amazing that it's real.
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From the kimarite description for yorikiri in Japanese on the NSK website: "It means to put your body in close contact with the opponent and move forward or sideways to get out of the ring and win." (google translate) No mention of a belt hold.
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14 minutes ago, Gurowake said:Why the official description includes a requirement of a mawashi hold is unclear
I feel like I've seen descriptions that require body contact but not a mawashi hold, but can't find them at the moment.
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2 hours ago, ryafuji said:Yes, somewhat confusing that, especially as "sanyaku" literally means "three ranks," doesn't it?
Especially given that there are (now) four ranks!
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Fingers crossed Ura can take the number 1 spot in 2021!
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27 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:Kakuryu can sit out
That's not how I or most observers have read the YDC warning.
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1 minute ago, Yamanashi said:However, Takakeisho should get promoted with any kind of a Yusho.
As long as it's not a fluke 11-4, which has only happened 3 times since they went to 15 bouts.
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IMHO that would be the correct call. Yokozuna promotions should leave no doubt.
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14 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:If he wins and beats Hakuho in the process he's definitely promoted. If he reaches a playoff with Hakuho he's probably also promoted. But if the decider is the regulation bout with Hakuho, and he loses, is that still considered an equivalent performance?
At least since Futahaguro, the two "non-standard" promotions both came after a yusho. Before that yusho, Kakuryu had a 14-1 playoff loss, while Kisenosato had a 12-3 jun-yusho which followed a string of strong runner-up finishes. I'm guessing in Takakeisho's case, they mean it when they say it'll take a yusho, although I believe @Asashosakari wrote that he thinks any 13-2 finish will do.
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If we stick to the post-Futahaguro era (the last 30 years), 18 unique ozeki had a total of 38 rope runs starting with a yusho, 8 of which succeeded. None of the 10 ozeki who failed to gain promotion via this route subsequently got a softer promotion; the two who did never had such a run. I think I'm going to have to write a blog post.
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1 hour ago, Reonito said:So 14 eventually made it, and 24 never did.
That's actually not quite right. There were 27 yokozuna promotions in this time span, so 13 of them came without back-to-back yusho. I haven't worked out the overlap between these 13 and the 24 who failed to get it after a yusho. Such "lenient" promotions used to be quite common, but were halted after the Futahaguro debacle, and only returned for the two most recent yokozuna, Kakuryu and Kisenosato.
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6 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:Please indulge my curiosity - how many unique ozeki were in that 66? Was it one chap trying multiple times (like Takanohana or Kaio, famously) or a whole bunch of chaps having cracks at it and never coming close again?
There were 38 unique ozeki. So 14 eventually made it, and 24 never did.
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34 minutes ago, Kaminariyuki said:Asanoyama, Terunofuji, Shodai and yes Hakuho, in addition to whoever gets those coveted M-17 slots, may not make it a flower lined stroll to the rope.
Historically in the 6-basho era, nearly 80% of tsuna runs (starting with an Ozeki yusho) have failed; only 14 of 66 were converted into a rope.
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The percentage of responses for "next basho", 21.05%, almost exactly matches the rate at which Ozeki have converted a yusho in one basho into Yokozuna promotion after the very next basho in the six-basho era (14 of 66 times, 21.21%).
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24 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:It took much longer to fall with minimum MK's then it did to rise with minimum KK's.
I guess at least as a sekitori, one nearly always goes up with KK, but quite often doesn't drop with MK.
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36 minutes ago, Gurowake said:it's pretty typical people get big promotions into the joi.
True, though I find M5 (8-7) -> M1 more jarring than -> M3.
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41 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:I do hope that Aki->Kyushu 2019 is still fresh enough in the committee's collective mind to realize that having 4 worthy rikishi as komusubi and 11 sanyaku altogether in fact isn't the end of the world.
If they do that, it'll be a real challenge to fill the upper maegashira slots, not that that's necessarily a consideration.
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7 minutes ago, sahaven111 said:Maegashira debuts: Midorifuji
Well, we know at least one of these will come to pass.
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Small sample size.
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I think the 7-8 Sekiwake -> Komusubi thing has solidified into an unwritten rule, akin to the case where an Ozeki gets demoted only to Sekiwake after two MK, no matter how dismal the record. So IMHO it won't even be a point for discussion, although creating extra slots might well be. A relevant recent precedent was Natsu 2018, when Tamawashi was stuck at M1e after going 9-6 at M1w, while (who else?) Mitakeumi dropped from S1e to K1e after a 7-8.
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5 minutes ago, Asojima said:The banzuke requires 2 Ozekis. Yokozunas are expendable. Two or three reliable Ozekis will be needed before they can safely punch his ticket.
Yokozuna can serve as Ozeki for the purposes of the banzuke, as we recently saw with Kakuryu. And were he to pull off back-to-back yusho, they couldn't not promote him, regardless of the rest of the banzuke.
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It's a yokozuna run for Takakeisho either way, as a 13-2 playoff loss would almost certainly count as a "yusho equivalent" given the status of the current yokozuna.
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Given your track record, that decision on your part is making those of us who went the other way queasy