Reonito

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  2. Posted

    1 minute ago, Shikona said:

    They are all henka; the ridiculous distinction for the former yokozuna in this forum is just a fanboi thing, nothing you can rationally analyze.

    In his blasts from the past, @Kintamayama has included some old Harumafuji bouts. In some of them, he fully takes the tachiai head on, but then very quickly shifts to the side to get a grip. That seems worth distinguishing from the first step being to the side, even if it is subtle. I've seen it called "meet and move."

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  3. Posted

    28 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

    It's also not just about TDs, but as a solution to the general trend that a young hopeful languishes in the top of Makushita for a while before breaking through to Juryo and quickly getting promoted to Makuuchi.  I first really noticed it with Shodai, but there are plenty of other examples (I just don't remember them as easily).

    Shodai got a bit unlucky to not get promoted twice in a row with a 4-3 from Ms3 and Ms2, but he didn't exactly languish. I take your point though that having only seven bouts creates a lot more variance, so that someone who'd reliably get to double digits in 15 bouts would often finish 4-3 or even 3-4.

  6. Posted

    2 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

    Well, it was only his 7th actual try, he's been kept down by "the man".

    I was trying to spreadsheet the list of M vs Y bouts to look for who took the most tries to get his first kinboshi, but the sumodb bout query lacks a proper text column for "win/loss" (as it has on the daily torikumi simplified style, for instance) and is only showing the white and black circles and I cannot get it to work in a spreadsheet properly. If somebody has a quick and easy workaround, as Dr. Frasier Crane would say: "I'm listening".

    Looks like Takekaze took 26 tries, though this was scrolling through some results manually.

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  9. Posted

    3 hours ago, dingo said:

    Chiyoshoma really wanted that kinboshi. No deference to the new yokozuna at all, with a perfectly timed and executed HNH. After the bout Hoshoryu looked like he thought not enough respect was given to his new rank but respect has to be earned through strength. At least he got a new experience of being the source of the cushion-throwing.

    Not sure he took enough initial contact for it to qualify as an HNH...

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  12. Posted · Edited by Reonito

    2 hours ago, Chartorenji said:

    Def gonna be a wild Yusho race. Onokatsu is a known strong starter and usually falls off the title push wagon after a strong win streak to start off. Endo has contended for Yusho before, but hasn't been able to pull it off either. The fact that most of the true favorites (Hoshoryu, Onosato, and the two hot Komusubi) are 1 win behind make things interesting, and I doubt Endo and Onokatsu can keep it up and avoid them catching up/ passing them. 

    In the 30 basho starting from 2020, 79 maegashira started 4-0. Five went on to take the yusho. Overall, the winner started 4-0 in 17 basho and 3-1 in the other 13.

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  14. Posted

    10 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

    As mentioned elsewhere, J2w Kitanowaka is the only sekitori absent from the start of this basho. The lower division absentees are as follows:

    Ms3e Shimazuumi
    Ms5e Bushozan

    It's gonna be touch-and-go for Kitanowaka if he doesn't enter and pick up a win. And only 8 active guys in the promotion zone...

  15. Posted

    I guess while we're considering all options, maybe they don't absolutely have to demote a kadoban Ozeki if that drops the count below 2? I know that was a unique circumstance that applied across the banzuke, but Mitakeumi had 3 straight MK if you count the Covid basho...

  16. Posted

    11 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

    This is not allowed. In such a case, an emergency Ozeki would need to be created (although no such situation ever happened yet). 

    We came close in May of 2023. Our sole Ozeki, Takakeisho, was kadoban going into the basho. He scraped together 8 wins, escaping demotion, and Kirishima went 11-4 to earn promotion. There were 4 Sekiwake on the banzuke, and IIRC the thinking at the time was that if Takakeisho went MK, they'd promote the best-placed of them even if they were far from meeting the usual criteria. But if say they all went MK...

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  17. Posted · Edited by Reonito

    2 hours ago, Shikona said:

    Yes, but not since 1959. In those earlier years there were more than 42 wrestlers in Makuuchi. Since it is required to have at least six in sanyaku, adhering to the limit of 42 means the lowest rank than can appear is M18w.

    In fact, between 1958 and now, the top division size has fluctuated between a high of 55 and a low of 34, with 40 and 42 being the most common, but since 1959, it was above 42 for only a couple of basho in 1960, when it was 43. It got as high as 58 in 1957, when M23 made an appearance. There's never been an M24.

  18. Posted

    It's been mentioned elsewhere, but Tokihayate becomes only the 3rd M18 since 1959, though also the 3rd in the last ~5 years. On both prior occasions, the rank lasted one basho, the first ending with Asanoyama's Ozeki promotion and the second with Mitakeumi's. With no obvious Ozeki candidates, we may see M18e persist, and it's not out of the question that M18w could appear.

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  19. Posted

    23 hours ago, Jejima said:

    M7E Reonito will reckon with J5W Fujiseiun. 

    Fujiseiun has won a 7-0 yusho in all the five lower divisions, except for Jonidan, where he managed a 7-0 jun-yusho (after a play-off loss).

    I am not filled with confidence, but at least I'm not filled with dread like last time when I drew Shimanoumi.

  21. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

    (And M19 Can't appear with current division sizes, since the minimum size of the sanyaku is six)

    The Y/O count has dropped to the minimum two on a couple of occasions, but (perhaps not entirely coincidentally) there were extra S/K slots, preventing the appearance of M18w.

  22. Posted

    2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

    So if your ranking score is 4.5 (assuming you have 6 basho under your belt and no absences recently longer than 1 basho in a row), that means you're doing as well as the average player.  The way it works also means that it doesn't matter one bit what place you get, only what your score is and what the average (mean) score is.  Put another way, the number of people that do terribly has no effect on what place you get as long as you didn't do terribly yourself, but the more of them there are for a particular basho, the more important it is to score well that basho, since the mean score will be lower.

    Without the archive being up to date, it's hard to find/compute your score outside the top 10.

  24. Posted

    1 minute ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

    I'm leaning towards the Ura one being due to relative placement—Ura was #16 overall and now still is #16 overall. Ichiyamamoto probably got the bump because Kinbozan was already getting his full promotion, and that's more in line with what they've done recently. 

    If they were thinking that way with Ura, it could have affected Atami as well—M2w was #12 overall, and now M8e is #22 overall. And this could have led to how Tokihayate's placement turned out. I know it's more numbers/braining than we're used to expecting from the committee, but it fits the movements. And the guys who went "up"—Midorifuji and Onokatsu—didn't really have anyone who could take their spots, especially since they overpromoted Nishikifuji to stay ahead of all the juryo promotees.

    I think this is a far more coherent take than their actual thought process (Laughing...)

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