Reonito

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  7. Posted

    11 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

    On another note...the other week somebody on a Discord server linked to the Natsu banzuke guess by BBM-sha's "Sumo" magazine; I hadn't been aware that these are getting posted on the internet. My first thought was, "hey, maybe we should feature these as guest entries in the game, like in the old days" (Nikkan, Yomiuri, Ozumo). The second thought was, "what if somebody's already been submitting them all along?" After all, awareness of GTB certainly extends to Japan. So I went and checked, and sure enough...those guesses are already part of the game. However, if you and I might have thought it's potentially the magazine journalist under pseudonym - that GTB player's first four entries were still very different from the magazine predictions, and only then became identical. So in all likelihood it's just somebody who's been taking a shortcut because they found their own efforts to be lacking in quality.

    (I'm not going to expose their name, but I will say that they had one top 10 result with a magazine guess, and afterwards they briefly featured in the overall top 10, ironically at a time when their 6-basho tally still included some of their own work.)

    I haven't tried to puzzle out the kanji in the guess, but the (google-translated) writeup seems reasonably informed.

  9. Posted · Edited by Reonito

    Looking forward to Yokozuna Mitakeumi and Onosato being challenged by Ozeki Tamawashi, Kirishima, and Hoshoryu in the upcoming tournament. And the up-and-coming yusho winners like Asanoyama can aim for the upper ranks.

    Spoiler

    Somewhere there's a timeline where this is true.

    Seriously though, highest career ranks of the 12 active yusho winners: 1 Yokozuna (current), 6 Ozeki (2 current), 4 Sekiwake (1 current), 1 Maegashira.

  10. Posted

    3 hours ago, Churaumi said:

    Maybe? I suppose there could be a situation where a rikishi knows he's going to retire but for whatever reason doesn't immediately do so right after senshuraku. He could tell the shimpan that decide the banzuke what his plans are. They might then over-demote him to make room for someone who deserves to be there. The banzuke writers are human, after all, and there are no algorithms and few rules regarding the placement of rikishi. We would probably never know that's what happened, beyond speculation on the promotion/demotion threads.

    Perhaps at the margins, but given that the original post was about the guys who end up just outside the regular and extended promotion zones, they wouldn't overdemote some who'd normally be placed at Ms1 all the way down to Ms6, much less Ms16.

  11. Posted

    23 minutes ago, Sue said:

    If he does, first or not, he's going to make _intai_ without a MK, which is almost as impressive. And there are still two other sekitori wallys coming up behind him.

    Only a couple of Yokozuna since 1958 have actually posted 8 losses, but I believe technically absences count as MK.

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  12. Posted

    2 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

    Includes some dupe listings across the four playlists; Miyagi/Mudoho/Mita fought in all three combinations and Miyagi - Daiamami also took place. I didn't think a combined playlist of all 23 bouts is all that convenient to view, but do let me know if that would be preferable.

    Nice of Hokutofuji to let Miyagi and Daiamami into Juryo (although Kitanowaka may not be too pleased). Miyagi's wins looked rather similar, while he got blown away in his losses.

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    2 hours ago, just_some_guy said:

    Perhaps I didn't do this query correctly, but it looks like the last time someone had back to back yusho at Ozeki without getting a rope was 1950. I'd be interested to see any examples that I missed, and I'd bet you at least three hot dogs that any Onosato yusho next basho--even an 11-4--gets him a Yokozuna promotion.

     

    Edit to add: Yes, there were no 11-4s in my query example but I don't think it'll matter.

    We've had this discussion a couple of times before, when Takakeisho got his 11-4 yusho and last basho about Hoshoryu. I recall someone had really clarifying comments from reading the actual promotion guidelines in Japanese. I think it was "two consecutive yusho or an equivalent performance." So promotion after YY seems pretty cut and dried, and "equivalent" apparently refers to the two tournaments overall and not a single-basho performance, with plenty of room for interpretation.

  16. Posted

    12 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

    In this era, it feels like we are way closer to 11-4 than to 15-0.

    We've had one of each since Hakuho retired, but a lot more 12's than 14's. It's just hard statistically for no one in a 42-man division to hit 12. Even if you made each bout a coin flip, it's better than 50-50 that someone exceeds 11, and that does not take into account talent disparities and matchmaking choices.

  17. Posted

    1 hour ago, Gospodin said:

    He also seems to "have a cool head" (no idea how to properly translate that phrase from my language into English - it´s a mixture of seasoning, resilience and recovery in times of trouble).

    Works perfectly well in English (usually used as an adjective, "cool-headed").

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  18. Posted · Edited by Reonito

    2 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

    It's not going to be 11-4, as they seem (subjectively) even rarer than zensho.

    Oh, much rarer. Since 1958: 4 11-4 yusho, 69 zensho. Less extreme if you exclude Yokozuna yusho, but still 11 vs. 3.

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  19. Posted

    21 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

    I completely agree, and he seems like a gentle soul.  A lot of rikishi storm up to the Ms joi bottleneck and have a failure of nerve.  maybe he will make the jump this time.

    He'll probably "only" need 4 wins.

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  20. Posted

    13 minutes ago, dingo said:

    I tend to subscribe to the idea mentioned sometimes here that the Kyokai likes to see an ascending string of results. Based on that the issue for Onosato could be that a jun-yusho might not be enough unless it's with a great score like 14 wins. I'd love to be proven wrong but I suppose we'll find out next basho provided Onosato can stay in the running. 

    This is my feeling as well; I guess the only way we find out is if gets a JY with 12-13 wins.

  22. Posted

    20 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

    That's 19 Yusho, which if stacked together stretches to just over 3 years of basho.  I checked for retired winners during that time (since Jan 2022).  Terunofuji won 4 times, Takakeisho won twice, and one other sekitori won a Yusho.  Guess who? (I was surprised!)

    Without looking it up, Ichinojo, right? Or was his earlier?

  23. Posted

    35 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

    Yeah, the estimate seems high to me, too, but was based on historical averages.  If I played GTB like all the hardcore fans here, I could maybe make a better guess.

    After the 7 named ranks, there's a minimum of 7 guys clearly ahead of him, so even if WMH got an extra komusubi slot, the highest he could possibly go is 4e.

  24. Posted

    1 minute ago, Kishinoyama said:

    I can't see how Onosato wouldn't get promoted with a 12-3J. He would still have one more win over the last three tournaments than Hoshoryu did.

    Well, it's usually the last two tournaments that count, unless you're Kisenosato ... and no one's been promoted with 24 wins over 2 basho since Asashio in 1959.

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