Eikokurai

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  1. 16 minutes ago, Reonito said:

    I just lost the db but IIRC there were a couple of examples in 1978 and 1980, where they were leapfrogged by J2s with a 9-6, which makes somewhat more sense than a J3w...

    Yeah, you quoted me while I was editing I guess. I missed four other instances from the list. 


  2. As far as I can tell, there’s only one other instance of an 8-7 at J1w not moving east—Wakamiyama all the way back in 1968.

    http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=196805#J

    http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=196807

    In that case though, the J1e guy Daimonji also got screwed, missing out on promotion with an 8-7 too. Wakamiyama at least responded with a 14-1 yusho, but Daimonji went 5-10.

     

    Correction: There were four others. Missed those when I scanned the list first time. Last time was in 1980.

    http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=J1w &form1_wins=8&form1_losses=7&form2_rank=J1

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  3. 13 hours ago, Ripe said:

    Because with Asanoyama we have to consider more then just his skill... he didn't drop down because of injury, he dropped down because he broke the rules, got caught while breaking them, lied about it to NSK, got proven a liar by a tabloid creating a huge embarrassment for the NSK in the process of doing that.

    I don't really see them repromoting him to Ozeki unless he pretty much forces their hand...meaning 35/36 wins over three basho as Sekiwake. And even that might not be enough if he doesn't win a Yusho in that stretch.

    I can get on board with the need to do it at Sekiwake (or Komusubi—they’re basically the same) but 33/45 is more than enough. As I’ve said before, his suspension was his punishment. He’s served his time and is thus entitled to any promotion by the numbers that he earns. Yokozuna has that extra hinkaku stuff, but that’s all subjective and meaningless, let’s be honest, and can be spun anyway they like. “He has plenty of hinkaku—look at how he accepted his punishment with grace, worked his way back and showed himself to be rehabilitated,” etc.

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  4. 11 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

    Maybe you should start a poll for that.... 

    He definitely returns to sanyaku. I don't know about ozeki and yokozuna though. He certainly has the skill but as someone mentioned in this thread, we legitly don't know what happens to a former ozeki who's egregiously broken his promise not to sully the rank. 

    If he is forgiven by the powers that be - and that's a big if, then yokozuna may be a possibility eventually. Especially after Teru retires.

    If he puts up the numbers, it would be hard for them to justify denying him. His punishment was the suspension. If he’s expected to carry that the rest of his career, he may as well just quit.

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  5. 2 hours ago, dingo said:

    Ahh, takes me right back to the Kaio-Chiyotaikai era. I liked those guys. 

    Those guys were around so long it took me a while to realize Ozeki could even be demoted, haha. Kotooshu was the other one active when I got into sumo and he had the rank for years too (47 basho) It took a while for me to accept that Kaio, Chiyo and Koto were more the exception than the rule.


  6. It was a strange one. On paper, a basho with no clear frontrunner, the lead changing hands a few times, and a potential four-way playoff should be an exciting one, being competitive and that, but it never quite felt like it in reality. I think what the basho lacked was a core narrative running through it that we could get behind. The winner sort of snuck up and took it late on after starting poorly. The 4-man playoff possibility emerged almost by surprise late on. The lead changing hands was more a case of people slipping up than anything. Overall, the basho just sort of limped from scene to scene without a story arc or character development. 

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  7. 3 minutes ago, Hankegami said:

    Of course, I was not suggesting that Daieisho will be actually able to get a 14-1 (or a 13-2 yusho). I was rather almost baffled he is technically on the run.

    Also, I believe that the prerequisites for making Ozeki are a good cutoff for themselves (especially since they put the bar at 33). Both Takakeisho and Mitakeumi are good Ozeki when healthy. Even Shodai Lord Mode got it, but unfortunately it switches on only whether in serious danger of demotion.

    About Shodai, he is perhaps showing the limits of the kadoban system. He is clearly not performing at Ozeki level, yet he just needs to show up for eight bouts every two bashos and keep the rank. There are things that a KK simply do not show. Does the YDC have the power to forcibly demote him for lack of fighting spirit or something like that? They should seriously consider implementing such a tool at least for cases like Shodai. The guy could even feel relieved from a demotion, he totally needs less pressure and more hunger.

    Far too subjective. One could easily argue he showed plenty of fighting spirit turning around that disastrous start last basho to end up with a KK, for example.


  8. 11 minutes ago, Rocks said:

    Exactly. I felt bad Takanosho lost that match. 

    Fair enough. I tend to only feel bad when guys lose a shot by means out of their hands. Takanosho got the chance to beat Sadanoumi and didn’t. They were both (along with Daieisho) then hanging their hopes on Mitakeumi.


  9. 2 minutes ago, Rocks said:

    Not that I think he would have beat terunofuji  in a playoff but that is sad for Takanosho. Congrats to Terunofuji on the yusho. 

    Takanosho should get other chances, but Sadanoumi is at the wrong end of his career, so feel more for him not getting his playoff shot.

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  10. 1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

    Takakeisho’s foot out there? Shodai showing a bit of Ozeki pride anyway.

    Guess not. Replays didn’t seem to focus on that so not sure if that’s what they checked. Taka saves himself from kadoban. Shame—I was rather looking forward to an Ozeki battle royale in July.

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  11. Mitakeumi (6-8) gets his makekoshi losing to Takakeisho (7-7), a day after Shodai got his makekoshi losing to Mitakeumi. Takakeisho gets one last chance to avoid kadoban tomorrow. I for one would find a July with three kadoban Ozeki pretty intriguing viewing!