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  2. Posted

    All these silly yaocho stories tend to generate from those who had an axe to grind against the Kyokai (eg former komusubi Itai and his ex-oyakata).

    Jealousy plays a part too.

    Strangely enough though, pretty much none of Chiyonofuji's contemporaries seem to like him all that much, as evidenced by how he's been kept away from important jobs as much as possible over the last 20 years and how everyone bar Chiyotaikai has left the stable as soon as they had the chance, and one wonders why there would be so much more ax-grinding and jealousy against him than every other top wrestler in history... You may not believe the whole allegation that he turned 1980s Ozumo into his private little circus where he was orchestrating most yusho races from start to finish, but there's an awful lot of smoke in his case compared to other historical yaocho claims.

    If the allegation is indeed true, could he not have just as easily orchestrated becoming chairman? Someone as accomplished as him certainly makes sense as the chairman, or at least #2 (nothing against Hokutoumi)

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  3. Posted

    wouldn't that be the BIGGEST injustice? is that possible? for Tochinoshin to be held at M1e with a 8-7?

    You cannot say that that never happend before... [Query]

    so... :-/

    That is very sad. If that happens, I hope he WINS the Aki basho at M1e. (wishful thinking again)

    (after thought) Now that I said that, if he does, they will promote him to K1w. (bashful thinking)

  4. Posted

    My best hunch:

    Y1E Hakuho (y1e 14-1)

    Y1W Kakuryu (y2e 12-3)

    Y2E Harumafuji (y1w 1-1-13)

    O1E Terunofuji (o2w 11-4)

    O1W Kisenosato (o1e 10-5)

    O2E Goeido (o1w 9-6)

    O2W Kotoshogiku (o2e 8-7)

    SE Tochiozan (se 10-5)

    SW Myogiryu (kw 8-7)

    KE Okinoumi (m5e 11-4)

    KW Tochinoshin (m1e 8-7)

    M1E Yoshikaze (m8e 12-3)

    M1W Aoiyama (m2w 8-7)

    M2E Osunaarashi (m8w 11-4 - new career high)

    M2W Sadanofuji (m9e 10-5 - new career high)

    M3E Sadanoumi (m1w 6-9)

    M3W Takayasu (m2e 6-9)

    M4E Tamawashi (m7e 8-7 - banzuke luck)

    M4W Ichinojo (sw 4-11)

    M5E Kaisei (m3w 6-9)

    M5W Takarafuji (ke 4-11)

    M6E Aminishiki (m4e 6-9)

    M6W Endo (m12e 10-5)

    Ichinojo at M4 should be just the thing to let him rebound and regain his momentum. All things considered, he should be able to get that elusive double digit win tally for Aki, and find himself back in Sanyaku. Figuring he will be facing about 4-5 sanyaku at M4, I'd say the odds are nicely in his favor.

    It's easy to cheer for someone when there moving forward, its when they slide back that you really see how much you like them.

    GO ICHINOJO!

  5. Posted

    Looking at the pics of Kyokutenho with Hakuho, you an almost forget that he was never an Ozeki or Yokozuna.

    1970's-Kitanoumi

    1980's-Chiyonofuji

    1990's-Takanohana

    2000's-Asashoryu

    2010's-Hakuho

    Seems you got every decade covered. I believe they are all great in there unique and collective ways. If I had to absolutely choose one?........

    ...CHIYONOFUJI.

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    Tochinoshin is guaranteed one by virtue of a KK at M1e.

    As we have seen in the near past, Tochinoshin is guaranteed NOTHING.

    wouldn't that be the BIGGEST injustice? is that possible? for Tochinoshin to be held at M1e with a 8-7?

    I'm someone who is waiting for the final day of the Natsu 2017 basho, to be decided by a 3 way playoff between Yokozuna East Terunofuji, Yokozuna East 2 Ichinojo and Ozeki East Tochinoshin. Also, Aminishiki wins his eighth Gino-sho.

    (Now THAT'S wishful thinking)

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  8. Posted

    Looking forward to the sanyaku return of Tochinoshin and Aoiyama.Yoshikaze Jun-Yusho!!

    Not sure if Aoiyama will be ranked at komusubi at the Aki basho, because of the guy you mentioned in your following sentence - and Okinoumi should also leapfrog Aoiyama banzukewise.

    You know, as much as it would seem to short change Aoiyama, I would welcome a Komusubi return for Yoshikaze. At 33 years old, its a great achievement. I was honestly eyeing Okinoumi as M1W, to Yoshikaze's M1E. So, I believe you see it as Yoshikaze K1W, Okinoumi M1E, Aoiyama M1W. That looks good as well.

  9. Posted

    Great basho, no sense retreading what everyone else has said. But:

    Looking forward to the sanyaku return of Tochinoshin and Aoiyama.

    Yoshikaze Jun-Yusho!!!

    Choki-Ozan, now I GET IT.

    Myogiru returns to Sekiwake, wonder if her will surprise as all next basho?

    Ozeki East Terunofuji. The first step to the next step.

    Kakuryu is proving to be anything but "Onokuni 2.0"

    Hakuho= 35. All that talk about him retiring after last basho. Not even close to it.

  10. Posted

    Clarification very much appreciated torquato. It makes sense now, as even a 12-3 J would qualify, IF it was an "equivilant performance" (Tochiozan in 2012 for example) This makes sense with Kisenosato and Hakuho. I need to research if anyone has been promoted with just Jun-Yusho's to their credit.....(WAIT! brain-stutter) never mind, we all know who that is. Since were on the subject, would Terunofuji be promoted with 2 Jun-Yusho's?? (13-2-P, 13-2-P for example)

  11. Posted

    If Kakuryu loses and Terunofuji wins, Terunofuji gets a shared jun-yusho. This puts Terunofuji on the start of a zuna run. It is a meager run, but a jun-yusho here could become a promotion factor in November.

    .....whatever you call it....terunofuji knows what to do...

    Would a 12-3 J be enough for a run? I seem to remember Kisenosato having a 13-2 J in 2013 and that being talked about as the start, and of course Kakuryu was the first Yokozuna promotion since Hokutoumi to occur with a Jun-Yusho/Yusho combination(Onokuni was after a Yusho/2 Jun-Yusho combo). However, Hakuho had a 13-2 J following a Yusho and was NOT promoted.

    I would love to see Terunofuji have a shared Jun-Yusho, hopefully with Yoshikaze as well :) Speaking of that, would a 12-3 put Yoshikaze up at M1?

  12. Posted · Edited by ScottyJoyJrBebe

    Does anyone believe that Kotoshogiku will retire if he loses? It's an unfortunate truth, but his last 2 double digit records was 2014 and 2013. Would it not be better to go out as an Ozeki, rather than fail in September, and leave as "Former Ozeki"?

    The last time Kakyryu was in a playoff with Hakuho, he lost.

    Can Kisenosato hold on to Ozeki East?

    Does Myogiru move back to Sekiwake?

    Komusubi Aoiyama. I like it. Komusubi Tochinoshin. I like it. (Should have been one this tournament)

    Good Bye Kyokutenho. A true "Rocky Balboa" story. Nothing left to prove.

    Yoshikaze, wow. Oosunaarashi, double wow.

    Tochiozan, what happened? I thought for sure Outstanding performance and maybe even Fighting Spirit. I guess not. ((Edited-Yes, He will be recieving it, by virtue of defeating both Yokozuna. Well deserved. Still capable of an Ozeki Run next 2 basho. Good Luck!!)

    Ichinojo. I believed in you all tournament. I still do. Maegashira 3 should be a good rally point for you in September. Double digit wins from there is a return to sanyaku and a momentum builder for a Run in 2016.

  13. Posted

    Ichinojo is really looking terrible. ... It seems as though he's not really putting in the work to continuously improve that Terunofuji clearly has.

    Agree with the first, but disagree with the second. In fact, I'm pretty much optimistic for Ichinojo.

    Previously, in amateur sumo and Makushita+Juryo it was enough to just stand there mighty. For the top of Ozumo, this is not enough anymore. Initially, he got some success with freak Sumo, but that is not to last. Top Rikishi can easily adapt.

    Now he's thinking, and he is trying out things. In the bouts so far this Basho, he is just doing basic and plain Sumo technique. It doesn't work out well, he is not used to it. He is not really in the flow. But still I believe, this is the right path for a more solid technique that goes along well with his size and his sheer power. It doesn't quite come together now, it looks horrible yet. But in a few Bashos in which we see a struggling Ichinojo in and out of Jo'i, a new, more complete Rikishi will emerge, which will then be very hard to defeat.

    Terunofuji had his hard time, struggling in Mid-Makushita. Needed a year to get over it. In the end, this difficult year seemed to be the key for his recent success.

    Couldnt have said it better myself. I'm sticking with Ichinojo through the UP's and DOWN's.The GREAT Chiyonofuji took years to hit his stride, but when he did, WOW. Asahifuji, Musashimaru, and recently, Harumafuji and Kakuryu are all examples. I'll be the first to admit that he looks a bit out of it so far, but today's win over Goeido, ironically, with the same way he lost last match, is proof that Ichinojo can and will adapt and overcome.

    GO ICHINOJO!!! You can do it!!!

  14. Posted

    A very long interview with Ichinojo, 8 pages. Some highlights:

    - double digits are his aim for Nagoya, a good result, to quickly catch up with Terunofuji

    - yokozuna is his goal, but all present are different types, that makes him think

    - the tachi-ai is what he wants to concentrate on the most, to succeed with his favorite migi-yotsu - else he can't get a hold on the mawashi with the left. He also wants to add more flexibility (to his sumo or to his body)

    - thigh size is about 105cm.

    - fully adapted to Japan and loving Japanese food: sashimi, sushi and kani-miso (brown crab meat)

    - of course also sweet food: but as not to gain more weight, he doesn't eat much of it, the o-kami-san tells him not to, but not that much else

    - looking for a girlfriend

    - got bitten as a child in the buttocks once by a dog and once by a horse

    - saw a wolf in the daylight, a sign of luck in Mongolia, but he was small then and very afraid.

    http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20150707/sum15070710000004-n3.html

    Thank you so much for this. I'm a MAJOR Ichinojo fan, and any news is great. Would you happen to know if any "fan club" or "fan organization" exists? I've googled for hours, but can find nothing. I actually wanted to send him a postcard from here, but was afraid it wouldnt get delivered because it would be in english, and also because he probably gets about ten thousand a day. Double Digits wins shouldnt be an issue, GO ICHINOJO and thanks again.

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  15. Posted

    Ichinojou is despondent as usual. Yesterday he was looking "sluggish" at the Nishonoseki Ichimon rengo keiko and was 3-6. When he was faced with a quick attack, all he could do was scratch his head in bewilderment. He is aiming for double-digit wins in Nagoya. "My body is heavy. When I get first-stepped, I cannot react. I need to pile up those keiko sessions.." he said.

    After the bouts he did some butsugari with Kisenosato and was all sandy and exhausted again. "I'd like to gambarize and return the favor (by beating him)," added Ichinojou.

    GO ICHINOJO. You can do it.

  16. Posted

    I was someone that predicted Tochinoshin would get back into sanyaku. Here's hoping that he continues to make those KK.

    That's a BIG difference between Takayasu and Takekaze.

    For most people: "All eyes on Shin-Ozeki Terunofuji" For me: "All eyes on Returning Sekiwake Ichinojo"

    Congrats to Kaisei. Was a bit surprised he didn't get sansho in May.

    Am I the only one rooting for Kyokutenho?

    Does anyone else think Kotoshogiku will hang it up if he gets a MK?

    Good Job Amuru.

    Can Kakuryu mount a comeback, as not to become the proverbial "3rd banana" a.k.a. "Onokuni Material"?

    We shall see.

    <<GO ICHINOJO. Aloha from Hawaii.>>

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  17. Posted

    As an Ichinojo fan, I appreciate anything that can help him achieve what I believe he can (Yokozuna) I must have watched his match with Hakuho about ONE MILLION TIMES on Jason's You Tube, each time getting a kick out of hearing Jason say "OHHHHHHHHHHH! He got him!!" Seeing that match REALLY bought me back to the VERY FIRST sumo matched I ever watched in 1991, Chiyonofuji vs (Then) Takahanada. Yes, all the attention is on Terunofuji at the moment, and RIGHTFULLY so, but I will still say Ichinojo has a bright future ahead of himself.

    Here is my "Urgent" Message to Ichinojo: When are you coming to Hawaii? I would be beside myself to meet you, and take you to my favorite eating estabishments.

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  18. Posted

    Kokonoe looks like he could still hold his own on the dohyo..

    The Rocky Balboa of sumo. Still amazes me that he turned down being a one-generation elder. I'm still trying to figure out why he hasnt been the rijicho for the NSK yet? Or is he waiting for that to be his final conquest?

  19. Posted

    First off, Congrats to OZEKI Terunofuji!! My 2nd favorite sumotori.

    My question: With a victory over Hakuho, will this give credence to putting Ichinojo in the Sekiwake East slot? In March, Tochiozan had the better score, hence his posting as Komusubi East. This time around, the records were even, and looking at individual matches, 6 out of 7 losses from Ichinojo were Sanyaku Ranked, the exception being M1W Tochinoshin. Tochiozan, on the other hand, had only 4 losses from Sanyaku Ranks, and only one victory against an Ozeki, Goeido. I'm not historically versed in Banzuke making, but what do you all think?

    BTW: I'm doing my own "GTB" for the first time, wow. It seemed complicated, then seemed easy, then got complicated again!!!!!

    Aloha!

  21. Posted

    thanks to all who contributed to this thread, i can see that the consenus more or less is similar to most. I agree Akebono sometimes gets lost in the shuffle, as he did hit a slump, but came back to win before he called it quits. Asahifuji also gets lost, in my opinion. With only 4 yusho and 2 years as a yokozuna, its hard to remember that most had given up on him and resigned him to eternal ozekihood, but he would come alive and prove his detractors wrong, much like musahimaru did back in 1998. One must also take into account that Asahifuji managed his promotion with a dominant yokozuna still fighting<chiyonofuji>, a strong yokozuna as well <hokutoumi>, and our unfortunate whipping boy <onokuni> all around him, as well as two yusho winning ozeki hot on his heels, <konishiki> and <kirishima>.

    In a sense, ALL who become Yokozuna can be classified as "Great", just as all Yokozuna have faults to each their own. Kitanoumi was notoriously unpopular with the public, and many paid to see sumo with the hope that someone could take him down. Takanohana flat out created his own ichimon in the JSA, ruffling more than a few feathers.

    Lastly, for the record, I believe the 72nd Yokozuna will be Ichinojo, while the 73rd will be Terunofuji. Not part of the discussion, but just for the record.

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  22. Posted

    sumozumo> most people believe he will be remembered as the greatest ever, with good reason.

    swami>waka III's make-koshi is something i consider to make him a weak yokozuna, not to mention he had many of his own demons haunting him. who would you consider "weaker" waka III or Onokuni.

  23. Posted

    Swami> Thanks for your time and insight. Thanks to Futahaguro, the JSA/YDC will always demand a yusho to be in contention for the promotion. I agree with Wajima being underated, he was unique in being, I believe, the only Yokozuna to use his given name his whole career. If I understand it, Kitanoumi wanted to call it quits after his yusho in 84, but the JSA asked him to stay on until the new Kokugikan opened.

    Asa>Thanks as well for your time and insight. I appreciate your take on Onokuni. As we all know, records can skew someones view. I would wager that most people would say Wakanohana III was a "poor" example of a Yokozuna, yet he won 5 yusho, NONE of which came as a Yokozuna. When you say forgotten, I think of Yokozuna like Kashiwado, Kitanofuji, Mienoumi, Takanosato.......lets HOPE Kakuryu never falls into that category.

    Both of you/everyone else>Speaking of Kakuryu, does anyone believe he will more yusho in the future? I suppose if he waits for Hakuho to call it quits he could, but being that they are only years apart in age, I suspect that he would need to do what he did last year to stay relevant. opinions?

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    Panda>On the contrary, your contribution was EXCELLENT. That is a very egalitarian way to look at the Yokozuna and Rikishi as a whole. I see alot of things about Orora because of his size, yet I believe he has maxed out in Mid-Makushita. The very entertaining Takamisakari was a rank and filer for most of his career, yet was extremely popular because of his entertainment value. On entertainment value alone, Asashoryu tops my list.

  25. Posted

    Masu, who would you say is the best? For me, I have always been a huge fan of Chiyonofuji. The first sumo match I ever saw was in 1991, when he lost to then Takahanada. Even though he retired soon after, Chiyonofuji was a big part in me becoming a sumo fan, just as much as Konishiki, and later Akebono and Musashimaru.