rzombie1988

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  1. Some thoughts:

    - Tochinoshin got screwed.

    - It's incredible that Terunofuji is at 6 wins with only one leg

    - I will be complaining if Takayasu does make it to 32 wins and doesn't get promoted. You'll be hearing it from me for a long time along with....

    - Goeido likely being out of the running for Yokozuna by being 2 losses back.

    - I'm expecting Kakuryu to lose in the next few days. I think Hakuho wins the tournament if it comes to this.


  2. 4 minutes ago, Dwale said:

    I'd heard that, but wasn't sure if it was fact or rumor. Well, I do know he had surgery on his...what was that, his collarbone? Shoulder? I don't recall.

    But, if it's A) a physica issue and B) something that he can fix, then I think even if he falls back down the ranks, he would fight his way back up very quickly once he was well.

    I have no doubt he could get back up. Guess he just doesn't want lose the cash.


  3. 4 minutes ago, Dwale said:

    I have to agree. Terunofuji has (or at least had) the knack, in addition to a great body, but he's been consistently mediocre ever since that explosive ascent. Wish someone could tell me what has happened, because the thought of all that potential being lost makes me, yes, sad..

     

    He's been injured for multiple basho's now and refuses to take time off and fix it. That's the issue.

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  4. Typical double standards with the Kyokai. Kakuryu's up for promotion? "Oh, just get a win and a 2nd place". Goeido's up? "You need to win two"

    How in the hell is THAT fair?

    Then we get told that Takayasu HAS to win 33 bouts total when others have gotten by on 32 or less to Ozeki.

    Why even have criteria?

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  5. Some thoughts on various wrestlers:

    - Harumafuji. He didn't win, but he's been injury free lately, looking solid and definitely been in the hunt. I consider it a positive tournament for him overall. He's clearly looking like the #2 wrestler right now.

    - Kakuryu - Looked awful all tournament with a bad start. Seemed slower and just didn't seem to be all there. Not Yokozuna like at all.

    - Kisenosato - Like Kak and Harumafuji, he blew it with early losses. Another Yokozuna run down the drain. I though this was a bad tournament to blow with Kak sucking and Hakuho being out. This was tailor made for him, but as usual he came up short. I'd get mad, but he was out in the first few days when he lost. Not real sure what he needs at this point as he's been given every helping hand he could ask for and it's not enough. Maybe a lack of expectations would do him well.

    - Terunofuji - Just take a few months off already before you really hurt yourself and are forced to take a break. You are not looking like an Ozeki anymore due to your injuries. Get them fixed now before its too late.

    - Kotoshogiku - If he gets 8 wins and doesn't get henka'd multiple times, it's a decent tournament for him, which was the case here.

    - Goeido - Props to him. He took advantage of a tournament without Hakuho. I actually wouldn't promote him for anything less than a title next time around, or else we'll end up with another Kakuryu. I thought he looked better actually a few tournaments ago when Hakuho took the win, but he was good here. Can't really say anything bad about a 15-0.

    - Takayasu - He's gonna regret falling off in the last few days. A 12 or 13 win tournament would have helped him a lot. He looked good early on but lost his touch later. I don't know if he's going to be able to get another 11 next around for the promotion with a Fresh Hak, Harumafuji looking good and an inspired Goeido. Would love to see another Ozeki though and hope he can pull through.

    - Kaisei - Fell off a bit compared to previous tournaments and now he's going down in rank. He didn't use his weight to his advantage and looked too much like Kaisei B.

    - Tochinoshin - Same old issues as usual. He always grabs the belt from the side and the back, trying to brute force lift people instead of grabbing in the front and pushing them. You can see where this is getting him. If his belt work was even average he could challenge the Ozeki's.

    - Shodai - He went on full tilt mode the first week but looked better the second week. He looks really good when he's not tilting.

    - Ura - Concerned about him as he just experienced what undersized people like Takanoyama and Satoyama have experience where size > skill. Looks like he may join the Juryo-yo club where you alternate between Makuuchi and Juryo.. He's going to have to do more than the submarine technique.

    Overall thoughts: Fun basho that gave us a new winner. But the Dai Yokozuna is coming back folks. I'm also hoping Ichinojo gets kicked down to Juryo so he can wake up a bit and realize he needs to step up.

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  6. 3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

    No. Like Asojima said, he was a failed Ozeki already and they decided to see if he was for real. He wasn't, as he tanked after that and retired eventually.

    Which proves that numbers aren't everything when it comes to Ozeki promotion.

    I personally wouldn't have that much desire to do great if I got robbed like that. There would have been no harm in letting him go kadoban on his own. So you adjust the bazuke a bit, big deal.

    Best thing to do with that stuff is pick a rule and stick with it. When you start making concessions one way or the other, it becomes less of a numbers game and a more of favoritism game. Numbers > Favoritism. This is how we ended up with Yokozuna Kakuryu, who is still getting Ozeki level results.

    I'm also always a bigger fan of letting it be decided in the ring than the boardroom.


  7. 3 hours ago, Morty said:

    Sure, the Geek is totally one dimensional, which is why he will never be a Yok, which was my point. Like Kise, 25 kimarite total. I'd argue he is even more one dimensional than Kise. However, the difference between him and Kise, is Kise's brain. The Geek's brain works, he is able to harness it when he needs to, and get the absolute maximum out of his limited move set and when the stars align, get a yusho. But he will never get two in a row, which is the difference between Yokozuna-hood, and being a perennial Ozeki.

    Koto's pretty bad too when he goes on his streaks. I've seen multiple days in a row where he eats henka's.


  8. 1 hour ago, Bumpkin said:

    For a year, it's been sad watching Terunofuji.

    He just needs to take a year off, get healed up and come back. At his best, he can win titles. When he's playing around injuries, he's risking kadoban. His injuries can't be good longterm for his career and he's too young to blow his talent.

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  9. 1 hour ago, gijo said:

    Looking at his record he was in the upper megashira ranks and I would say he was getting experience and promising well. He is able of great sumo. I don't see him as Yok, but regular sanyaku, when the old ones will intai....

     

    I think we are going to be seeing relatively the same group around for the next 5 years. It's honesty sad when I think there's a better chance of Terunofuji retiring than people with many years on him.


  10. 25 minutes ago, Ahogeyama said:

    I don't think I recall a day when such damage was done to the upper echelon and to those who were expected to win. It's like Hakuho was the keystone keeping the arch from falling.

    Hakuho is without question an outlier and next to prime Asashoryu, the #1 reason sumo has been so favored toward one or two people. I've said it multiple times that if Hakuho and Asashoryu did not exist, you would see a lot more competitive bashos, more yokozuna and more random people getting titles.

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  11. I don't think so. I think other than Kaikitsune who was an avid fan, nobody believed KaioU would make it. And pre- 2003 the forum was pretty new and with not that many members, no? The arguments were over on the SML back then..

    That's what I (sort of) meant...by the time the forum began to take off around 2003/2004, the shine had already come off of Kaio and the debates are the ones you're remembering. But off-forum in the years prior to that, Kaio-is-the-next-yokozuna was actually a pretty common theme. (Nice poll. ;-))

    I'll out myself...I'm pretty sure I was leaning towards Kaikitsune's point of view in those early forum days, but then I'm a sucker for "hard-working guy comes good" stories. Think I only lost hope for good around 2005 when Kaio's results in between the injuries were no longer high-quality and it became clear that the good times weren't coming back.

    (Side note for newer fans: Back then around 2005, absolutely no one expected Kaio to hang on for another 6 years.)

    Kaio also would have been a Yokozuna today due to the lesser standards.

    Kaio wouldn't have had 5 yusho today. We have Hakuho.

    Yeah, he only had to deal with that "weakling" Asashoryu LOL


  12. I don't think so. I think other than Kaikitsune who was an avid fan, nobody believed KaioU would make it. And pre- 2003 the forum was pretty new and with not that many members, no? The arguments were over on the SML back then..

    That's what I (sort of) meant...by the time the forum began to take off around 2003/2004, the shine had already come off of Kaio and the debates are the ones you're remembering. But off-forum in the years prior to that, Kaio-is-the-next-yokozuna was actually a pretty common theme. (Nice poll. ;-))

    I'll out myself...I'm pretty sure I was leaning towards Kaikitsune's point of view in those early forum days, but then I'm a sucker for "hard-working guy comes good" stories. Think I only lost hope for good around 2005 when Kaio's results in between the injuries were no longer high-quality and it became clear that the good times weren't coming back.

    (Side note for newer fans: Back then around 2005, absolutely no one expected Kaio to hang on for another 6 years.)

    Kaio also would have been a Yokozuna today due to the lesser standards.


  13. I agree with Kintamayama on Kisenosato. He will never be a Yokozuna and Shodai will atleast become an Ozeki withing a year.

    Terunofuji on other hand looked like a Yokozuna before his injury. People even threw zabutons when he lost few bouts before he was injured. However I am a pessimist by nature and I don't think Terunofuji will ever be the same again. His injury free prime is past him. Just like Hakuho's prime (2010) has been past him for over half decade. But since it is Hakuho him not being in his prime doesn't really mean much.

    However, men tell tales of unwordly usurper who is going to make his Ozeki run really soon. Gagamaru is coming.

    Gaga's long-standing feud against gravity isn't a winning one unfortunately.

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  14. Are you confused as to who is who, and what exactly is going on here? There are people in the Kyokai who want to promote Kisenosato, presumably because he's shown himself to clearly be at the same level as at least Kakuryu and close to Harumafuji, far above the other 3 Ozeki, he was previously stopped from winning two in a row solely by the greatest ever posting a better score and is close to winning again, and they sorta would like a Japanese Yokozuna.

    The Bold is factually & logicly incorrect. Kakuryu is the better Rikishi as he has won a Yusho twice now. When Kisenosato starts winning Yusho's then you can say he is near Kakuryu in level. And, to even compare him to Harumafuji is to stretch the truth to a near Trumpian level of cognitive dissonance.

    This is one of the things I like about talking about sumo - there are some great stats out there to prove points.

    Kakuryu is of a higher rank and has won more titles. Kak has won 55 in his last 6. Kisenosato has won 68 in his last 6. Even if Kak had not been injured this tournament, Kisenosato would still have the leg up on his performances in the last 6 bashos, which is a full sumo year. So statistically, Kisenosato is better right now, but title and rank wise, Kakuryu is better.

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  15. I still believe Kisenosato will get a tournament win somewhere down the line, but I don't know if it's going to be when he could be Yokozuna.

    The facts are he's doing the best sumo of his career along with his run in 2013, which I believe was probably a bit more competitive. This is the best 3 tournament win record he's ever had. His 12-3's are Yokozuna worthy. Yes he's choking still, but in the end, he's one loss off. Hakuho is declining, Harumafuji has injury/consistency problems, Kakuryu's showing that he is not able to get Yokozuna scores consistently, Kotoshogiku has mental and style issues, Terunofuji may never be healed 100% and Goeido isn't even in the running. He should be able to slip one through someday. He should consider going to a sports psychologist to get the choking out of his head. This really was the perfect opportunity though.

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