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  1. rzombie1988

    Haru 2022 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS!)

    I haven't been watching too much lately. In any kind of combat sports like this, there is usually a change of the guard every generation and we are currently in that. I didn't get to see the last change of the guard, but it takes a while to get people established. I think Mitakeumi may be able to become a Yokozuna, though I really question if he could while Hakuho was still around. There's a real murderer's row of guys coming in from Makushita soon. Makuuchi better be prepared. Shishi, Hokuseiho and Kinbozan are all 190+ cm and they are coming. I really feel bad for Takayasu. Quite possibly one of the last chances he realistically had to get a title and he loses it twice.
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    I would really like a button to see all of the stables and see which wrestlers are in them.
  3. rzombie1988

    Kyushu 2021 discussion

    I didn't watch much of the basho as I figured Terunofuji would have an easy time. Glad to see he won. I hope Mitakeumi doesn't get promoted yet. His record isn't impressive enough. 8-7 and 9-6 are hardly records to be excited about, especially with this less than stellar group.
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    Hakuho retires

    $20 million on a stable is just dumb. You don't even technically need a ring to train sumo.
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    Hakuho retires

    I think it's the right call. He hasn't completed a full year of tournaments since 2015-2016. It's really not fair to the other wrestlers who in some cases have had to do 200 more matches where they could get injured while he got the day off. I think him staying around also made it harder for the next generation to get the spotlight put on them. Yes, he can take a break and compete for a title, but how many other wrestlers could do the same with months to recover? He will go down as one of the best yokozuna ever, but he was also one of the luckiest. He was very lucky to have weak competition as there was no one up to par from Asa's retirement to Harumafuji's promotion, which helped him rack up a lot of victories. He then got really lucky again in 2017 as Harumafuji got kicked out, Kisenosato never recovered from his injury, Terunofuji got demoted due to his injuries and Kakuryu was just not a consistent threat. Don't agree with the whole Japanese citizenship thing, but I won't be going into that any further here.
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    Nagoya Basho 2021

    Glad Terunofuji got the nod. It should have happened already though. Curious to see if Hakuho can make the next two basho in the a row.
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    Terunofuji is the 73rd Yokozuna.

    Glad he got promoted. Should have been in 2015 and should have been in March/May of this year. Him being able to take off tournaments when he isn't 100% is really going to help him out.
  8. rzombie1988

    Araiso-heya branch out

    I don't believe that post was in good faith. That person and I have been having issues dating back to 2014 when Kakuryu became Yokozuna. Some people just don't get along for various reasons. We haven't interacted in a long time and I'd prefer to keep it that way unless my hand is forced. I think it was obvious that I don't think anyone over 190cm can just walk in and get to Juryo, but taller wrestlers have a better chance of doing so. If I were recruiting for sumo, I would pretty much only search for taller recruits due to their physical advantages. That's why every other combat sport has weight divisions.
  9. rzombie1988

    Araiso-heya branch out

    I could be intentionally rude back to you but I can do better. Bigger wrestlers have longer reaches, can have more weight behind them without their performance declining and can generate more force with their increased weights. All of these things are advantageous to sumo. Does it absolutely mean anyone who is over 190 can walk right in and get to Juryo? No, but the list below shows some evidence to my theory of taller wrestlers generally having higher chances of success in sumo. Since I can't figure out how to do a search for the tallest wrestlers ever on the sumodb to see how they did, I will have to go another route. http://xn--psso2y7wo.jp/rikishiPro/senreki/6431 - Here's a list of the tallest sumo wrestlers ever. I will only count the people with actual photos as sumo was different in the 1800's with some people just being gifted high spots and much data is missing on the older wrestlers. Of the 60 wrestlers listed, 22 had a photo. All 22 made it to Makushita and 17(soon to be 18) of the 22 made it to Juryo: Fudoiwa - Sekiwake Kotooshu - Ozeki Dewagatake - Sekiwake Hokuseiho - Probably at the top of the 3rd division next basho and likely Juryo in September. Kotowaka Chikao - Juryo Futahaguro - Yokozuna Baruto - Ozeki Yoshiazuma - Makuuchi Daihisho - Makuuchi Oazuma - 3rd division Takanonami - Ozeki Kaishoryu - 3rd division, Ms6w was his highest rank Ikioi - Sekiwake Tochinowaka - Makuuchi Okano - 3rd division Gokenzan - Juryo Hokutoo - 3rd division - Still active, but yes, probably not making it any further Chiyonowaka - Juryo Mitoizumi - Sekiwake Tachihikari - Makuuchi Wakanoho - Makuuchi Roho - Komosubi I look forward to your reply.
  10. rzombie1988

    Araiso-heya branch out

    The double dohyo's really aren't too big of a deal. I really don't think doing sumo on grass or something is really going to have too much affect on your performance. If Kise wants to do well, he should just recruit a bunch of big guys. You can get to Juryo no problem if you are 190cm or more with enough weight.
  11. rzombie1988

    Natsu basho 2021

    Glad the basho's over. It was a complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned since Terunofuji wasn't getting the nod here no matter what happened, even though he's obviously deserving of it. Takakeisho should have already been promoted using the Kakuryu rule of a win + a 2nd place result, though he has the lesser case of the two. Hopefully both guys do well next tournament and we can finally stop playing games. And on Asanoyama, it's the lying that got him. Had he just fessed up to breaking the rule, he would have been a lot better off. I don't think we will be talking about him again until 2023.
  12. rzombie1988

    March basho 2021

    There are shortcuts. Ozeki can have a bad tournament and not lose rank as long as they get 8 wins the next time for years at time. They can even blow or miss two tournaments in a row and get back to their rank if they win 10 times. They can do this as a reward for reaching the Ozeki rank. The shortcuts get worse with Yokozuna. See Hakuho and Kakuryu who missed massive amounts of matches yet keep their rank as a reward for reaching Yokozuna. It's a historical system, which has undergone many changes itself, but not a perfect system. And no, I wasn't implying anything about being Japanese or Mongolian. I just forgot about Shodai.
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    YDC meeting after Haru 2021

    Even if Hakuho returns in July, what's the path going forward? He's 36, with lots of injuries and only averages about 2-3 complete tournaments a year going back to 2018, while everyone else has had to take 100+ more matches.
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    March basho 2021

    I think it's a bad look that Terunofuji came 2nd in the last two basho's and won this one, yet at best is two tournaments away from getting to Yokozuna. And what happens if he wins the May tournament but then gets injured and can't compete in the July tournament? He'd be facing kadoban despite having a more impressive record than anyone else in sumo and would then need probably another two tournaments to get the Yokozuna promotion. I think it further sucks that all of this is happening with both Yokozuna's out. They can say "well, he was just a Komusubi/Sekiwake and his path to victory wasn't as hard as an Ozeki's was", but there were no Yokozuna, so he was fighting the exact same opponents than an Ozeki would have. Yet if a Takakeisho or Asanoyama pulled his same results off during the last few bashos, they would be Yokozuna right now.
  15. rzombie1988

    Kakuryu to Retire

    I think it was the right call.
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    March basho 2021

    I haven't been very interested in this tournament. As has been the case for the year now, Hakuho and Kakuryu not wrestling has been the biggest story. They don't compete and the tournament looks lackluster through no fault of the wrestlers. And that problem looks like it is going on until at least July as there is no way Hakuho makes the next tournament and whatever is going on with Kakuryu seems more mental than physical. Even if they do come back, how much left they do they have at 35 and 36? I think it's going to look bad if Terunofuji pulls this off and only gets Ozeki out of it, which is undoubtedly what will happen. Would a win here and in May even be enough for yokozuna? I'm skeptical. Asanoyama will be similarly stuck too if he pulls this off.
  17. rzombie1988

    2021 "Kozumo" Hatsu Basho discussion thread

    Kakuryu is 35 and hasn't completed 5 tournaments in one year since 2017. Even if he comes back in March, do we really expect him to be able to make May and July? Hakuho got an "out" this basho, but it's the same story. The odds of him making some miraculous non-covid recovery back into full-time status aren't looking good. Someone like a Tamawashi has had 160 more matches Hakuho and 178 more matches than Kakuryu since 2017. It's beyond unfair.
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    The website already knows which stable each wrestlers is in as their stable is listed. All I'm asking for is that a page is created for each stable so we can see where each person belongs and who else is in their stable. If you take some of the replies here at face value, you would think I am talking Chinese and that nobody here has any idea what I'm talking about. If you start considering the events of the last week on this sub involving 2 other users in this thread, it seems like there's a little more to it.
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    When you see the wrestler's stable, you should be able to click it and it should take you to the stable page, as I said.
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    I'd really love to see a link on each page to the wrestler's stable.
  21. rzombie1988

    YDC convenes after November 2020

    Racism accusations - I don't believe this is a race thing. Not that it matters. Once you start bring up that stuff, it's a dead end road that no one will ever find a happy solution to. The accusers will never be happy and the accused will never be able to do enough. YDC not being health experts- Okay, the YDC are not health experts. That's a fair point. Injury concerns - Hakuho did not declare that he was out until a few days before the tournament. And if that's the case, this clearly isn't a risking the career scenario. Hakuho has not completed 4 of the 6 tournaments in a year since 2016. 4 years ago. Whatever is up with him, it's been going on for years and does not seem likely to get any better. Does anyone see him completing all 6 tournaments in 2021 or 2022? I don't. The same applies to Kakuryu who only completed 4 whole tournaments once since 2016. If these guys had surgery and were out for long periods of time each run, it'd be a lot more understandable. It's just they have these injuries that they aren't getting surgery for or taking long recoveries for and it seems more like its just wear and tear or old age.
  22. rzombie1988

    YDC convenes after November 2020

    I have no doubt that like a Tim Duncan could return for one night or a small stretch of games and do very well. I have a lot of doubts on whether he could do that for 82 games. I think that Hakuho can win one basho after many months off, but I'm doubting whether he can do that if he had to wrestle every match. Now the problem here is that while anyone under Ozeki has to not only wrestle but do well in 65-90 matches each year. Kakuryu only had to wrestle 16 times this year and Hakuho only had to wrestle 32 times this year. It's a major advantage to only have to wrestle a 1/5th to 1/2 of the matches other people do. It's a lot less wear and tear and it's a lot less chances for injuries. It sucks for the fans who don't get to see the top ranked wrestlers wrestle. It sucks for the promoters who have to convince people to buy tickets and sponsorships for an event where the two most important people might not even show up. It sucks for the wrestlers who can't get kinboshi, can't make the headlines for grabbing a big win over a Yok and can't get better by wrestling against better talent.
  23. rzombie1988

    Gagamaru retired

    There was nobody stopping Aoiyama and Gagamaru from dropping some weight except themselves. When your career is affected by your weight, I think it is something you should take a little more seriously. 16 of 33 current Maegashira have reached Komosubi not counting the 9 current K/S/O/Y ranks. That's almost half of all Maegashira. If you have a good basho around the M4 level, there's a good chance you will get to Komosubi. Getting to Komosubi and staying at Komosubi are two very different things. Gaga had 1 tournament at that rank. Aoiyama hit the rank 3 times, but each time he only lasted a single tournament.
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    Kotoshogiku retires

    Yes, that sums up most of my sentiments, though it is totally possible to do 9-12 wins and not advance past Ozeki. And I totally get why someone like late career Kaio or Koto wouldn't leave once they start declining. It's hard to pass up all that cash and maybe they really just enjoy what they do.
  25. rzombie1988

    Kotoshogiku retires

    I wouldn't have thought less of Kisenosato if he never made Yokozuna for instance. I would have thought less of him if he never won a title though. Baruto was fine, Terunofuji, Kaio before he hung around too long, Konishiki before he got too fat are just some examples.